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 #377154


Jordan14
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 A hardy lizard

what is a lizard that will live long and is pretty easy to take care of
06/20/05  11:30pm

 #377160


Sobedrummer007
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   Message To: Jordan14   In reference to Message Id: 377154


 A hardy lizard

There are essentially three, bearded dragon, leoparad gecko, and crested gecko.
06/20/05  11:34pm

 #377163


Sobedrummer007
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   Message To: Sobedrummer007   In reference to Message Id: 377160


 A hardy lizard

I noticed you have two water dragons, so since you have reptile experience your # of choices greatly increased. What type are you looking for, a gecko, or tropical, or desert, what?
06/20/05  11:37pm

 #377201


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   Message To: Sobedrummer007   In reference to Message Id: 377163


 A hardy lizard

I say get a Mountain horned dragon
06/21/05  12:08am

 #377216


Jordan14
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   Message To: NirvanaFan   In reference to Message Id: 377201


 A hardy lizard

well i actually only have one as of today. so im thinkin as somethin of gettin somethin to live w/ my other CWD or i could get somethin small 4 my other cage. it depends on what lives long and dosnt die easy



06/21/05  12:16am

 #377392


Jord
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   Message To: Jordan14   In reference to Message Id: 377216


 A hardy lizard

No offence NirvanaFan but I don’t think that MHD would fall under the catagory "long lived" for reptiles.
Jordan14 how big is your CWD cage and how much money are you willing to spend?



06/21/05  08:17am

 #377418


Sobedrummer007
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   Message To: Jord   In reference to Message Id: 377392


 A hardy lizard

Well it is not a good idea to mix species,(CWD + ?) as one may become dominant over the other and cause stress, and the animal may die.

How big is your smaller cage. Crested geckos can live an estimated life of over 20 years, with a prediction that they can live in up to 30 yrs. Leos also live for about 7-10 yrs.



06/21/05  09:39am

 #377475


NirvanaFan
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   Message To: Sobedrummer007   In reference to Message Id: 377418


 A hardy lizard

Get an armadillo lizard they can live 15 yrs easy to take care of and a smaller tank is ok for awhile, a 20 long is good
06/21/05  11:51am

 #377951


Jordan14
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   Message To: NirvanaFan   In reference to Message Id: 377475


 A hardy lizard

My CWD is about 8 in snout to vent. my old tank is like 37 gal.
06/21/05  06:03pm

 #378141


Jordan14
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   Message To: Jordan14   In reference to Message Id: 377951


 A hardy lizard

and im willing to spend up to $50
06/21/05  09:26pm

 #378170


Sobedrummer007
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   Message To: Jordan14   In reference to Message Id: 378141


 A hardy lizard

What are the demensions, perhaps you could get some kind of skink.

If you give me the demensions i can give you more specific anwsers
06/21/05  09:58pm

 #378201


GimliMakaio
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   Message To: Sobedrummer007   In reference to Message Id: 378170


 A hardy lizard

Honestly, IMO you should just stick with the lizard you have, if you are only willing to spend $50... a lizard needs proper vet care and the correct diet, and you can’t get much with $50. Just stick with the CWD you have till you are more experienced.
06/21/05  10:28pm

 #378215


Sobedrummer007
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   Message To: GimliMakaio   In reference to Message Id: 378201


 A hardy lizard

Depends $50 dollars for the animal or $50 dollars total. If it is $50 dollars overall then just stick with what you got like GimliMakaio said. But if you want a lizard under $50 just see what you like of the lizards mentioned above
06/21/05  10:34pm

 #378970


Jordan14
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   Message To: Sobedrummer007   In reference to Message Id: 378215


 A hardy lizard

i wouldnt mind spendin more than $50 for the lizard cuz i have enuf money for food and evrythin it just depends on what kind of lizard im just givin a price range for it around $50 but i will pay more if needed
06/22/05  04:51pm

 #378982


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   Message To: Jordan14   In reference to Message Id: 378970


 A hardy lizard

You also say your wanting to get the CWD a cagemate....you also must consider that not all creatures have the same environment
06/22/05  05:02pm

 #379242


Sobedrummer007
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   Message To: HerpboyNY   In reference to Message Id: 378982


 A hardy lizard

It is never a good idea to mix species anyway. Just research and see what you like out there.
06/22/05  08:56pm

 #379320


Jordan14
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   Message To: Sobedrummer007   In reference to Message Id: 379242


 A hardy lizard

i also said i had another cage
06/22/05  09:48pm

 #379350


Sobedrummer007
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   Message To: Jordan14   In reference to Message Id: 379320


 A hardy lizard

yeah, i know, i just wanted anyone who is reading this thread to know that mixing species is bad
06/22/05  10:28pm

 #379425


Jord
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   Message To: Sobedrummer007   In reference to Message Id: 379350


 A hardy lizard

That’s quite the blunt statement. A newbie reading this forum would think that if two different species were in the same tank - *BAM!!! big explosion. Dust settles and neither animal remains* -.
I think a more accurate point to mixing would be not that it is bad, but generally not advisable. In order to mix there are certain steps one can take to insure each species can live properly and healthily. I don’t think it should be considered impossible to keep say, basilisks and CWDs together. Both have extremely similar requirements and if the size of the cage is adequate, temperaments of the animals are good and they are both checked for parasites than I would defiantly suggest say to look into it.
I’m not trying to start a fight, just want to lay all the facts out on the table. sobedrummer007 I respect your opinion and you have a lot of knowledge so lets turn this into a... friendly debate if you will.



06/22/05  11:21pm

 #379518


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   Message To: Jord   In reference to Message Id: 379425


 A hardy lizard

Yeah that is probably be a better way of putting it so people don’t think

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*BAM!!! big explosion. Dust settles and neither animal remains*



But unless the animals have nearly the exact same requirement they should probably not be housed together. I mean it has been done successfully, but it should not be attempted by a beginner who has no reptile experience. And like you said neither should have parasites.

Even if they have the exact same care requirements it also depends on the individual geckos. Crested geckos and gargyle geckos have the exact same care requirements but gargoyles are more aggressive and have been known to be cannabalistic. A person may house a crestie and a gargoyle in the same tank and have no trouble, however another person may house a different crestie and gargoyle in the another tank and the crestie becomes lunch, depending on the size.



06/23/05  12:44am

 #382036


Jord
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   Message To: Sobedrummer007   In reference to Message Id: 379518


 A hardy lizard

Glad to hear you have an open mind on this sort of topic. I agree with your gecko example. In fact there is not a whole lot of lizards which can be mixed successfully. The type of combo I was thinking of with the WD is a green basilisk. They generally are very compatible. Speaking of mixed species, did you read this months Reptiles magazine? There was an entire section on mixed species vivariums. It was defiantly interesting to say the least.



06/25/05  07:45pm

 #382063


GimliMakaio
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   Message To: Jord   In reference to Message Id: 382036


 A hardy lizard

Mixing species isn’t really worth the effort... the cage needs to be extremely large, both animals need to be seperated anyways for a 90 day quarentene, and they may not even get along once you introduce them. Trust me, animals would prefer to be left alone in their own cages. Different reptiles carry their own kinds of bacteria and parasites that may harm another species, they reqire different food/temps/housing/substrate/lighting and many other things.
Bottom line: You should NEVER mix species, even if they are said to ’enjoy each other’s company’, or whatever else people come up with. How do you know they want to live in a glass box with some random other reptile that they would very likely never encounter in the wild?
06/25/05  08:22pm

 #382260


Jord
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   Message To: GimliMakaio   In reference to Message Id: 382063


 A hardy lizard

In general, yes you are right. The mixes that I did between my WDs and GBs were when I had a green house dedicated to keeping reptiles. The both groups ignored each other almost completely, all animals where selected because they got along with others. They were CB, tested for parasites and went through a strict quarantine. And yes I know they would never encounter each other in the wild seeing as they live on different continents but they got along well enough for both groups to produce large clutches. In the end I had to move and the animals that I kept with me are still very alive (no foreign bacteria or diseases have claimed them yet).
So it IS alot of effort and work but I never believe that it should be considered impossible. I believe that I did everything I could in view of the animals health and well being. Both species deserved the space of the greenhouse.

Just wanted to say a few things on the points you wrote as well.

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Different reptiles carry their own kinds of bacteria and parasites that may harm another species


I doubt that parasites in a GB would be able to infect a WD because of the thousands of years they have been separated the parasites have evolved to adapt to GB bodies. They would be unable to live properly in a WD body. I would be more concerned about parasites transferring within the agamid group (eg. from say, beardies to WD).

Secondly

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they require different food/temps/housing/substrate/lighting and many other things.


If you think that basilisks have requirements radically different from WD you better recheck your information. Both dwell stream side habitat (same lighting, humidity, general temperatures) preying mainly on invertebrates (same food) both are also semi-arboreal.

Last,

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Trust me, animals would prefer to be left alone in their own cages.


Just curious, how would you know this? Are you one of those pet psychic?

Not looking to fight you on this, like I said before this thread became a debate on mixing species so just argue back. I look forward to your reply.



06/26/05  12:15am

 #382839


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   Message To: Jord   In reference to Message Id: 382260


 A hardy lizard

i think if done responsibly its alright to have mixed cages, as long as each animals needs are met and they all have a secure hide space and have generally siimilar habitat reguirements- i once had big paladarium set up with green anoles, house geckos, grass lizards, several green treefrogs and a couple firebelly newts it was pretty awesome to see the creatures finding their own lil niche in the cage, if you moniter your pets you should be able to notice if something is wrong with it JUST KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN
06/26/05  06:44pm

 #384050


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   Message To: Ameivaboy   In reference to Message Id: 382839


 A hardy lizard

yea i was just wondering if u can mix a golden gecko with an armadillo lizard?? like under supervision
06/27/05  09:06pm

 #384083


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   Message To: Joe blow   In reference to Message Id: 384050


 A hardy lizard

Hey Guys.... What about the original question? save the debates for another post, I’m interested in what your sugestion would be for the $50 lizard thats easy to handle and lives a long time. You obviously know your stuff, so share it with us.
06/27/05  09:44pm

 #384093


Jord
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   Message To: JonyFyre   In reference to Message Id: 384083


 A hardy lizard

Sorry bout that. Which tank were you considering putting this in?
06/27/05  09:52pm

 #384099


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   Message To: Jord   In reference to Message Id: 384093


 A hardy lizard

I didn’t post the original message, you guys probubly scared him away. LOL. I own a Ball Python, and My Girlfriend wants to get a lizard. She wants to get one that will get Big, and is easy to handle. for both of us, we live together.
06/27/05  09:58pm

 #384225


Jord
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   Message To: JonyFyre   In reference to Message Id: 384099


 A hardy lizard

Lol, I wouldn’t be surprised if we did scare him off. Anyways in regard to your search for a lizard there is three things we should look at. I’ll go over common choices farther down.
1. How much are we looking at money wise. Both the lizard and its food can be costly depending on the species.
2. How much space can you invest in this reptile?
3. How much handling are you looking for? Some like to sit down with you for a movie, others not so much.

So now onto species. Heres a list. I’ve worked with everything but blue tongue skinks.

Bearded Dragons- Cheapest to both buy (depending on morph) and very cheap to maintain (when compared with the others). They are extremely friendly. They can tolerate the most handling and make really good beginner pets. This would have to be at the top of my list for reptile pets. They also require the least amount of space.

Water Dragons- Make great pets but require a large cage and quite a bit of food. They grow up to 3 feet long but this is all mainly tail. They are beautiful lizards (emerald green, blue stripes and golden eyes). They can be just as friendly as beardies but tolerate less handling (but are still good on those terms). I own three and I am yet to be disappointed. They are my favorites. (a side note, if you get any make sure they are young, CB animals or they don’t tame well)

Frilled Dragons- Are fighting with the skink for the most expensive lizards but are defiantly worth the cash. These are unique reptiles with a one of a kind personality. They are fiesty as young but calm down to be very tamable adults. They require just a little less space and food than a WD but still are much above the requirements of a beardie. They tolerate handlings less than both of those species.

Blue Tongue Skinks- Eat mainly veggies with some animal matter. They are very docile and can make great pets. Need a fair sized enclosure, just a little bigger than a beardie cage. They are one of the most expensive lizards but can be friendly, long-lived companions.



06/27/05  11:46pm

 #384338


Jordan14
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   Message To: Jord   In reference to Message Id: 384225


 A hardy lizard

lol u guys didnt scare me off iv just been busy keep your replies comin
06/28/05  01:02am
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