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 #958881


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 Small jungle enviroment herps

OK i have this heavily foliaged,chalk full of climbing materials tank that was meant for pygmy chams.it`s a 30 gallon with smaller(in width/weight capacity)branches and plants(also bamboo)that wouldn`t support more than the equivalent weight of 5 1/2 inch crestie(i tested it to see with mine).I DO NOT WANT A CRESTIE as one`s enough for me considering his medical bill.i would like something on the small side that CAN be handled,doesnt have to be a gecko,but has to be arboreal and from a tropical area.tell me any ideas you have or know any online breeders that will ship pygmy chams to canada.(not lllreptile)
also i don`t want an animal that will cost me any higher than $200 w/out shipping if need be.
Thanks
08/27/06  01:45am

 #958883


LIZARD-MAN2
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 Small jungle enviroment herps

Why don’t you get frogs or a chamillion? There cool.
08/27/06  01:52am

 #959146


Orc Bow Man
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 Small jungle enviroment herps

Anoles come from a semi-tropical environment. Try a brown anole.
08/27/06  11:36am

 #959150


LIZARD-MAN2
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   Message To: Orc Bow Man   In reference to Message Id: 959146


 Small jungle enviroment herps

I dont really like anoles. Their to common. Maybe you can try a flying gecko. Those are cool especially when they open thier wings to glide in air.
08/27/06  11:40am

 #960091


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 Small jungle enviroment herps

Flying Geckos don’t have wings...
08/27/06  09:41pm

 #960225


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   Message To: Freecellgame1   In reference to Message Id: 960091


 Small jungle enviroment herps

Well.. What ever they call it. I think their called gliders.
08/27/06  11:03pm

 #960383


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   Message To: LIZARD-MAN2   In reference to Message Id: 960225


 Small jungle enviroment herps

Rainforest tree frogs and anoles cannot be handled often, and any kind of glass tank is horrible for a cham. I’d go for a leachie, gargoyle, or R. sarasonium. Anything else that I can think of either can’t deal with being handled the amount you want to hold it, isn’t tropical, or isn’t arboreal. You could also try a day gecko.

~k
08/28/06  12:52am

 #960544


Thug Child
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   Message To: Xpantherx   In reference to Message Id: 960383


 Small jungle enviroment herps

well the flying gecko idea may work,and i`m pretty dure a leacie needs at least a 40 gallon tall.mine is longer than wider.And i`m not a fan of anoles,too cheap.they sorta feel like they`d be a disposable animal and i don`t really like their look outside of in the wild.Do you guys know any flying gecko breeder`s online that ship to canada?and they have flaps of skin between their legs and bodies,not quite wings but the same as a flying squirrel.thanks for the replies and please respond if you know of any websites
08/28/06  06:47am

 #960692


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 Small jungle enviroment herps

Check back later. I have to ask turtleman2.0 parents.
08/28/06  10:39am

 #960841


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 Small jungle enviroment herps

Something about the flying gecko that you should be aware of. They supposedly can die very easily. And I don’t believe they’re that handleble. There are some very good reptile owners on this website that’ve tried flying geckos but then had them die under unknown or mysterious circumstances. If put in a small tank you will probably never see it glide.

Chams should never be housed in a glass tank. If you were planning to house chams in this 30 gal tank of yours, I sincerely hope it’s screen.

Aside from the crestie, there really is no other arboreal, tropical lizard that you can have which is 100%handleble. Most arboreal geckos just aren’t tolerant of that sort of thing. I’m pretty that that whatever you end up with is going to be very skiddish, specially for the smaller types.

I recommend you wait a little longer and rethink your options a bit wiser. Find a gecko species you think you’d enjoy, study it, and Model the Tank After the Gecko... Not vice versa. An important lesson in owning geckos is to never set up a tank and ask, "Ok, What I can put in here?". It’s to ask, "What species of reptile should I own?", find one, study it, THEN set up the tank to suit that gecko. This is an important lesson as it doesn’t only open you to better selections, but also is safer for the future lizard. Each lizard has different climate/tank requirements. That saying, setting up the tank beforehand and putting a lizard you Think would fit well in it could still hurt the lizard. Specially if they need less/more humidity, higher/lower temps, a different substrate, less tank items/slightly different tank setting, etc. After this, I recommend you rethink your options of what sort of lizard you want (And if you really want to handle it or not), and try again.
08/28/06  01:23pm

 #960865


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08/28/06  01:43pm

 #961080


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   Message To: LIZARD-MAN2   In reference to Message Id: 959150


 Small jungle enviroment herps

ermmm excuse me but hu u callin common?! i fink u hav da rong species m8!
08/28/06  04:05pm

 #961135


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   Message To: Peppa   In reference to Message Id: 961080


 Small jungle enviroment herps

I’m sorry, what? Could you please restate that in english and who you’re actually addressing?
08/28/06  04:30pm

 #961370


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   Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 961135


 Small jungle enviroment herps

Sorry but I cannot give you the site cause it is a private company and only stores can buy from thier.Sorry.
08/28/06  06:58pm

 #962483


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   Message To: LIZARD-MAN2   In reference to Message Id: 961370


 Small jungle enviroment herps

that`s ok lizard man.And i didn`t mean to push handleability.i wouldnt handle a flying gecko for obvious reasons.But i think i`m going to find a list of species that would be able to live in a 30g,study them and send a list of my favourites to a store owner i know that would be able to find the species to be shipped.i than pick the favourite one that can be shipped in.Also kelly,i`m very sure that R.Brevicaudatus can be housed in a glass tank as long as it has the side holes like the E series lizard lounge tank.Unfortunately there arent any good online breeders that sells healthy pygmy chams.
I`m gonna try my idea to thin out the options.
Also i`m getting either a jackson`s or veiled after this tank has a resident,as i have room for a tall cham cage
thanks for the ideas.
08/29/06  01:19pm

 #962556


KrazyKelli
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 Small jungle enviroment herps

I can’t find this tank you’re talking about. The huge reasons Chameleons can’t be kept in a glass tank is that, if they see their reflection, they can stress to death from it. I don’t know if a glass tank with holes in it will still supply them with a reflection, but keep the possibility in mind. This is why every Cham keeper in their forum recommends mesh over glass (or at least one of the reasons). Fact, I say you should ask the people in the Chameleon forum about this matter (if you haven’t yet) before getting some chammies.

As for your 30 gallon, look into day geckos. I think you’ll like that species genre. Longtailed grass lizards are also fun to keep. Gargoyle geckos are close to cresties, but a little more challanging. =]
08/29/06  03:41pm

 #962844


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 Small jungle enviroment herps

Kelli I sended you a pm.
08/29/06  06:33pm

 #963660


Thug Child
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   Message To: LIZARD-MAN2   In reference to Message Id: 962844


 Small jungle enviroment herps

kelli i got my info on the glass tank from a very intelligent person on pangea.here`s a link for the tank i`m talkin about.http://www.elmersaquarium.com/h109oceanic_E_lizardlounges.htm
pygmy chameleons can be kept in these types of tanks,i`m positive.And i would`nt keep a chameleon in a glass tank unless they were pygmies and it didn`t affect their health.The jackson`s or veiled i`m getting is going to be in a mesh tank.also can you give me a link to a company that makes mesh tanks?
i need to compare prices,thanks
08/30/06  06:31am


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