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 #2015316


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 Hello, meet Guy

Hello, my fiance recently purchased what I believe is a pale agama (it was labeled spiny tailed agama, but I thought that meant uromastyx). I think he is a pale agama b/c the guy said he got to around 6" and the sides of his face turn blue sometimes. What do yall think?:


We have him in a twenty gallon long:


We have him under a 75 watt light as well as a UVB light Desert series 50 (50 microwatts UVB @ 12"). I have yet to check the temps or humidity. I have a small water bowl and have been feeding him crickets for the past two days (five pinheads, tommorrow I am going to try feeding him some more). Any advice?
I also have a uromastyx named Yuri:


And a leopard gecko named geico:



06/02/09  05:15pm

 #2015485


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  Message To: Cbgirl   In reference to Message Id: 2015316


 Hello, meet Guy

wow nice agama! You are close! but that is not a Desert Pale Agama. They are VERY closely related though. Yours is a Ground Agama (Agama aculeata)


(PS Kevin I got my Pale Agamas back)



06/02/09  09:44pm

 #2015486


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  Message To: Deadvenom-x   In reference to Message Id: 2015485


 Hello, meet Guy

Oh, for the enclosure, I highly suggest adding slate rock and sand/dirt mixture with some climbing areas. Half/Half actually, and a 110-130F basking spot :)



06/02/09  09:46pm

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  Message To: Deadvenom-x   In reference to Message Id: 2015486


 Hello, meet Guy

Thank you! I will play around until I get the right temperature tomorrow. Should I just use your care sheet for the pale agamas? I did a quick search on the net and saw some pictures of ground agamas but not too much else. I have him on ceramic tile right now, can I just use that instead of the slate?



06/03/09  01:15am

 #2015668


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  Message To: Cbgirl   In reference to Message Id: 2015560


 Hello, meet Guy

You can use ceramic tile, yes. As long as it’s rough enough to keep nails trim. My guys absolutely love climbing on slate, and under it in the hidy-holes. I would say the closest thing to a care sheet for Ground Agama’s would be a Pale Agama care sheet. So you can easily follow that if you want. As for the sand mentioned previously, it is not needed of course, but my guys love to bury themselves half way in it at night when sleeping. so all you see is their back and head poking out.

Hope that helped some :)



06/03/09  09:55am

 #2015669


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  Message To: Deadvenom-x   In reference to Message Id: 2015668


 Hello, meet Guy

oh forgot to mention about the basking spot, once you get the temps right, dont freak out if he is basking with his mouth open. That is a good sign :)



06/03/09  09:56am

 #2015715


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  Message To: Deadvenom-x   In reference to Message Id: 2015669


 Hello, meet Guy

I think I’ll delay on the sand until he gets a bit bigger. I might need to get him some rocks as a little hide though. He hasn’t hidden anywhere yet and I think maybe it is because all the hides I have are very large and he is so small. I checked the temps at the very hotest spot he could bask at and it topped out at 111.5 F. The opposite end was around 80 or so. I am glad you mentioned the mouth opening thing because I did notice him doing that a few times. I was wondering about it earlier, but did not think to ask.
I am surprised it is not easier to acess information about them; he is such a personable and interesting little lizard. I was happy to find your care sheet.



06/03/09  12:29pm

 #2015728


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  Message To: Cbgirl   In reference to Message Id: 2015715


 Hello, meet Guy

Ya these lizards are overlooked and are somewhat rare in the pet trade. As for the "getting a bit bigger" part... i don’t tihnk he will be growing much more. I’m 95% sure he is a wild caught adult. If you are worried about sand being eaten. at your temps, it is nothing to worry about at all. Impaction only happens when a lizard is to cold to digest anything. I honestly would be damned if he uses reptile-made hides. I have yet to see any agama use a hide from exo-terra etc. They seem to choose a specific spot out of a few within rock crevices rather then just having one choice. In that case, the dont bother to hide and bury themselves half way. I guess it’s an instinct to hide from predators? I don’t know if it will help any but I wrote out a behaviour thread all on Pale Agamas, and since Ground Agamas are in the same home range and are practically the same you can go through it if you havent already. It’s called "Observations of Trapelus Pallida" Don’t know if it will help any though :P



06/03/09  12:48pm

 #2015830


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  Message To: Deadvenom-x   In reference to Message Id: 2015728


 Hello, meet Guy

i looked at the observations post earlier when I was trying to find out what type of lizard he was, but I will have a second look. the cage was already set up here to move the leopard gecko into it, but then my fiance bought Guy and that cage has a sliding screen lid that closes which i thought would be better than the other cage.
I guess he just looked small to me, but after your post I took him out and measured him & he was 5" so you were right, he can only grow like 1 or 2" I guess.
I have never heard that about the temperature and impaction. Do you think this is the case too with other lizards or just with agamas?
I have some playsand on hand that I can put him on. I would like to see him bury himself in the sand with his head sticking out. I think I will keep the fake log and vine, he seems to like those, but probably get rid of the other stuff.
It seems reasonable to think it is an instinct to hide from predators. my other lizards certainly like to hide. Do yours sleep hidden? He just seems to plop down somewhere random on the ground to sleep at night.
Thank you for all the info, I was hoping you would reply when I initially posted.



06/03/09  04:20pm

 #2015881


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  Message To: Cbgirl   In reference to Message Id: 2015830


 Hello, meet Guy

I’m practically the only one who posts here now honestly. But the temperature and impaction thing, it’s with all lizards, it’s funny how, even bearded dragon breeders do not notice this. High temps = better digestion. Heck, in the wild you would see them gobbling up sand and dirt left and right, but since they are in a naturally hot climate, they easily digest it. The set-up is pretty much like a monitor lizard with the high temps and "decorations" I guess you can say. Now I know these are not monitors but they have the same organs and they work the same. As to, monitors eat loads of dirt but the high temperature allows them to digest it. Heck, they would even be able to pass plastic without being impacted at those temperatures. I will link a page off this site to further explain what I mean, I got a bit side-tracked haha. but yes, my agamas do sleep hidden under and in rock cracks and crevices. IF you want to increase the chances of your agama burying himself, put an under tank heater under at least 4 inches of sand.


here is the link i was talking about :Link


the quote from it:

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Wow, there is some serious misinformation being passed around out there - the same old dirt/sand argument. Dragons get impaction from dehydrated and cool temperatures along with eating substrate. Given proper caging, they can eat plastic and crap it out. I’ve hatched, kept and raised a few hundred babies along with adults - one of which is about to be 10 years old. If it makes you feel better keeping them on stone tiles or paper, go for it. But blaming health issues on dirt is hooey - your conditions (temps and humidity) suck and the dirt precipitates the animal’s poor digestive function. That’s like saying if you swallow chewing gum it stays in your stomach for 7 years (yes some people actually believe that old wive’s tale LOL). Dirt doesn’t accumulate unless there is a preexisting blockage such as GI parasites or a stricture or hardened stool that won’t pass (dehydration). My dragons eat some dirt constantly when they drop greens onto the substrate. Telling me "you’ve been lucky" is horsecrap. I’m talking about a nearly 10 yr old and 3 six year old dragons kept exclusively on deep substrate with some humidity and hotter basking than what’s recommended. They absolutely thrive in "monitor-like" caging.

If a lizard hops up on a basking platform, gets it’s body up to nearly 100*F and then opens it’s mouth to pant (cooling effort) or simply leaves the bask - what is that called? Sounds like thermoregulation (therm = temperature, regulate = alter to a desired benefit). They do it by relocating themselves as opposed to internal chemical processes that hold temperatures constant, but it’s still a form or thermoregulation.

Dragons (P. vitticeps) occur naturally in arid eastern AUS just east of the red center deserts but not coastally. They are replaced by a different species coastally in somewhat similar habitats, but less dry and barren. Ackies are from WA coastally across into Queensland taking up about 1/2 of the continent, but not in the southern approx. 1/2 of AUS. I don’t believe their ranges overlap but it’s possible in the southwestern quadrant of QUSLD. Different range maps show different things.



06/03/09  06:28pm

 #2015906


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  Message To: Deadvenom-x   In reference to Message Id: 2015881


 Hello, meet Guy

I don’t mind the sidetracking since it is interesting. I did keep my leopard gecko on paper until he got older b/c of the impaction thing, but I kept my Uro on sand until just recently. I never understood why an animal that lived on sand in the wild could get impacted. The reason I switched wasn’t impaction; I hurt my back and the sand became a problem. I’m better now though and since it is my fiance’s lizard, he can change the sand if it happens again. I already have a small under tank heater on it that I have hooked up for nightime so I can just add some sand.



06/03/09  07:31pm


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