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12 James 12
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 What kind of agamas would be good for this tank???

Hey what types of agamas would u say r good for this tank thnx , it has some rocks some plants, tile on the bottom one hide, a sunglo tight beam basking bulb take a look n tell me??
07/31/06  11:43am

 #933823


Phil da golden gecko
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   Message To: 12 James 12   In reference to Message Id: 914678


 What kind of agamas would be good for this tank???

a beardie
08/10/06  09:55pm

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Longtail Lizard
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   Message To: 12 James 12   In reference to Message Id: 914678


 What kind of agamas would be good for this tank???

I think a beardie would work good.
09/15/06  06:58pm

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Reedy28
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   Message To: 12 James 12   In reference to Message Id: 914678


 What kind of agamas would be good for this tank???

i think a red headed agama woud suite this tank
10/08/06  02:56pm

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EddieGordo
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   Message To: 12 James 12   In reference to Message Id: 914678


 What kind of agamas would be good for this tank???

a whole mess of sinai agamas...some painted agamas...golden agamas...black agamas...and desert dwelling agama would be in heaven.
10/09/06  02:22pm

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Chimi
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   Message To: 12 James 12   In reference to Message Id: 914678


 What kind of agamas would be good for this tank???

any of them but you cant just stick with a tyle floor make sure you get sum substrat/type of earth material
11/25/06  11:14pm

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Shive
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   Message To: Chimi   In reference to Message Id: 1072990


 What kind of agamas would be good for this tank???

I think you should get a colony of Pale Agamas. I have a 20 gallon long tank and I have about 10 of them in there and getting more.
04/14/07  10:20pm

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Shive
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   Message To: Shive   In reference to Message Id: 1246646


 What kind of agamas would be good for this tank???

But tile is the best for animals such as agama. If you use sand it can lead to impaction and possibly the death of your new friend. Tile is the best way to go.



05/12/07  04:01am

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Salazar07
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   Message To: Shive   In reference to Message Id: 1278740


 What kind of agamas would be good for this tank???

Bearded Dragon



06/24/07  11:46pm

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Luv beardies<~>
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   Message To: Salazar07   In reference to Message Id: 1332726


 What kind of agamas would be good for this tank???

you could do a bearded dragon but you would need to get a UVB light if you dont already have one
but if you did a beardie would go fine



07/01/07  04:03am

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Shive
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   Message To: Luv beardies<~>   In reference to Message Id: 1341409


 What kind of agamas would be good for this tank???

or if you didnt want to buy another light get some Leopard Geckos. They are relatively easy to take care of and they don’t require UVA/UVB light.
07/11/07  11:36am

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Sivester
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   Message To: Phil da golden gecko   In reference to Message Id: 933823


 What kind of agamas would be good for this tank???

Remove the tile, and put in dirt and that would be good for a beardie.
07/18/07  09:10pm

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Redthreat
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   Message To: Sivester   In reference to Message Id: 1364856


 What kind of agamas would be good for this tank???

Keep the tile its great and doesn’t lead to impaction. Don’t use loose substrate. Tile works great for my beardie.
07/19/07  05:52pm

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Sivester
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   Message To: Redthreat   In reference to Message Id: 1365990


 What kind of agamas would be good for this tank???

Tile works for YOU, it is convenient for YOU because its easy to clean....Keeping an animal and making it happy you have to think about your animal what makes it happy, give it options let it tell you what makes it happy not what makes you happy. Dirt is a much better substrate for your beardie then tile, tile isn’t even a substrate...i’m sorry nor is paper towels, or shredded paper, or news paper. I bet your beardie will be noticably happier in dirt..just my opinion no sense of arguing back and forth, just try it if it doesn’t work then it doesn’t work, but i honestly think it’ll be better for your beardie.
07/19/07  06:45pm

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Redthreat
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   Message To: Sivester   In reference to Message Id: 1366078


 What kind of agamas would be good for this tank???

Well fyi my beardie almost died of an impaction because i used dirt mixed with sand and once she made it through that i never used it again sorry if i want to keep my animals alive. Even in the wild they live on hard packed dirt and clay not loose sand. But there life in the wild is only like 4 years anyway so i still say its better to use solid subsrtate.
07/19/07  07:14pm

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Sivester
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   Message To: Redthreat   In reference to Message Id: 1366125


 What kind of agamas would be good for this tank???

I’m very sorry to hear that, also very happy to hear your lil guy/girl pulled through. I’m not here to argue by anymeans. Just my opinion, i still feel that dirt would be a better substrate. I used it for my iguana’s, my beardie, and my monitor. Sure i can put them on tile, or any other solid substrate but they’d be not as happy as they were before. Gives them an option to make their own hide spot, stay cool when warm, warm up when cool, make burrows ect and it hands down holds and provides humidity the best. both solid substrates and dirt, have their upside and downside.



07/19/07  07:22pm

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Eun Mi
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   Message To: 12 James 12   In reference to Message Id: 914678


 What kind of agamas would be good for this tank???

frilled dragon? they might not use the hide... and you might have to get a bigger tank as it reaches adulthood.
08/29/07  06:26pm

 #1425013


Lizard_lady
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   Message To: Eun Mi   In reference to Message Id: 1424592


 What kind of agamas would be good for this tank???

Hi James,

I’m just another voice in the crowd. I have had 4 Beardies over the past 5 years. I gave two away after a year or so to a friend who keeps on sand. My other two have been on sand for 5 years now. One got impacted a little from Calci sand which I would not use again because the calcium actually invites them to lick the sand. I use fine playbox sand instead with no problems at all. Second, if you pay attention to the animals every day, you will know that if they eat they have to poop within a day or two. If they don’t for 2 or 3 days you give warm soaks to encourage bowel movement which usually works. I actually gave mine a small amount of olive oil and a warm soak and he went the next morning. But like I said, since I use play sand and scrapped the calci sand I have not had a problem. They prefer natural sand that they like to dig in and warm up or cool down in. It’s kind of like you being made to live in a house with cement floors and furniture. You will live, but not be very happy or comfortable. I have a Uro, Beardies, Butterfly Agama all on sand or sand with some cocopeat mixed in. Never any problems. But you have to listen to your animals. Life is not perfect. We all get sick, or hurt sometimes no matter how safe we try to be. Sometimes young children fall and get hurt or eat things they shouldn’t. We pay attention and fix it -if- it happens. I wouldn’t think of putting my daughter in a cement room where she would just be depressed and miserable. Seriously, impaction from sand doesn’t happen that often. HOWEVER; I don’t recommend loose substrate for baby beardies. They can have a problem easier than adults because they are learning to catch prey.

Is that a 20 gal or 40? Sorry, I cant tell. If 20 gal, you will have to upgrade to at least a 40 breeder when it gets bigger. It will need the room for a thermogradient.

Linda
08/29/07  11:06pm

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Shiftylarry
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   Message To: Lizard_lady   In reference to Message Id: 1425013


 What kind of agamas would be good for this tank???

This is a copy of a post I made concerning someone who suggested that leopard geckos should only be kept on tile. Hopefully this will help. Also, I do not believe that just sand is the right substrate. Go to the deserts of Australia and you’ll find that the ground is not made of playsand, but of a clay-like dirt.
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Jawstheme: "Did you know that thousands of helpless leopard geckos are suffering every day? Alone is the desert with no conscientious reptile owners to provide them with tile? It’s sad but true, and it’s still going on to this day. But amidst the darkness, there is a glimmer of hope. That’s right ladies and gentlemen youcan make a difference. For the low cost of only $1.00 per day, you can contribute to the pave the desert fund. It’s a small sacrifice for such a worthy cause. And after you’ve sent your donation, we’ll send you monthly pictures of your adopted leopard gecko in the tile coated paradise of its dreams. So, don’t delay, call today and make a little leo’s dreams become reality."

Now, after we’ve all had a good chuckle, let me address your concern of impaction. Impaction is not a normal circumstance for a healthy animal, rather it is more often associated with animals kept in sub-optimal conditions. Any healthy animal will not die from ingesting loose substrate, unless it is some jagged shape like bark or wood chippings, which is not what I am suggesting. Another contributing factor to impaction is Calci-Sand. It is a sand substrate often sold at pet stores that is supposed to be digestible, but actually induces consumption (particularly in calcium starve animals), thus gathering up in their systems until they become impacted.

I’m sure you’re going to continue to dispute over my statements, but hopefully you’ll see the ridiculousness of your suggestion. I have been keep reptiles on dirt/sand for over 10 years, guess what, nobody’s died on me yet. In fact, they are all healthy, and I know of several other keepers who’ve had the same quality results. Leopard geckos dig in nature. They also retreat to burrows to avoid predators. What makes you assume that you can exclude this element of their natural habits? I understand you feel you need to make a point because of the loss of your animal, but I think that your particular situation does not relate to everyone’s. I really think it was a husbandry issue, and not the fault of the substrate (that is, if you were using a dirt sand mixture). Furthermore, the leopard geckos feet are not designed to walk on flat surfaces indefinitely. There is a potential for arthritic problems in the future.

Again, sorry about the loss of your gecko and of your ackie, but I don’t think it relate to this situation. Also what substrate did you keep your ackie on, since they are highly terrestrial, burrow dwelling animals? If dirt/sand is the answer, what is the difference for a leopard gecko? And, don’t you think the high mortality rate for leopard geckos due to impaction is partially due to the fact that they are one of the most common pet lizards and often kept by inexperienced herpers?

-Chris
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Impaction due to substrate is a myth I would like to be rid of. It is so much more often the fault of the owner and lack of husbandry knowledge. If you recreate an animal’s environment to a T, they will not get sick. There is no miracle solution other than that. Keepers who are not trying to copy nature divert from the correct course because they have been fooled by pet stores/people on the forum, or find it to be more convenient for them. I hope you find this information useful and correct your mistakes.

-Chris



11/09/07  02:29pm


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