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 #1683102


Joshysangel
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 Please dont jump on me...just wondering...

I dont think any of you guys know me...im usually on the Leo forum...but have been going to other ones resently just to see whats up. I know a lot about other reptiles but not this one....im just wondering if they are sold in america...if they are hard to find?! because everyone seems to have wild ones?! They look like plated lizards...or at least the pic.s on a few threads did. ~Kc Lynn
03/30/08  11:56pm

 #1683249


PrinceSushi
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   Message To: Joshysangel   In reference to Message Id: 1683102


 Please dont jump on me...just wondering...

No they are not sold int he US. Its illegal to sell them.
Yeah, I can see why you would think they look like plated lizards.
03/31/08  06:19am

 #1683417


Joshysangel
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   Message To: PrinceSushi   In reference to Message Id: 1683249


 Please dont jump on me...just wondering...

oookkk that explains it!! thank you!
03/31/08  11:45am

 #1684444


Aliceinwl
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   Message To: Joshysangel   In reference to Message Id: 1683417


 Please dont jump on me...just wondering...

They are legal to sell, it just depends where you are and where the seller is.

In California, both Elgaria multicarinata, southern alligator lizards, and Elgaria coerulea, the northern alligator lizard are illegal to sell or export commercially. I’m pretty sure the same is true for Oregon and Washington where they are also native.

The northerns range into Idaho which appears to allow commercial sale of wildcaught animals and they’re available with some regularity.

There is an introduced population of southern alligator lizards in the Las Vegas area and Nevada allows commercial collection. And, I did once see some offered for sale.

If someone were to buy an out of state fishing license, collect a pair in California and take them to their homestate, they could also legally sell the offspring.

I’ve seen captive bred Texas alligator lizards for sale somewhat regularly and there was even an article in Reptiles Magazine last year dealing with them.

Madreans would be illegal to sell in Arizona or New Mexico, but can be legally collected in Arizona by out of staters with an out of state hunting license. On very rare occasions there guys will also pop up for sale captive bred or from out of state collectors etc.
03/31/08  09:53pm

 #1684521


Joshysangel
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   Message To: Aliceinwl   In reference to Message Id: 1684444


 Please dont jump on me...just wondering...

Goodness! thank you! So how many of you guys can handle your lizard?! Or do you just get them to look at?!
03/31/08  10:24pm

 #1685766


Aliceinwl
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   Message To: Joshysangel   In reference to Message Id: 1684521


 Please dont jump on me...just wondering...

My two wc southerns are tame. One I had to work with, the other is a bit of a freak in that he’s always been tame since day one. I’ve had him for over five years now and I use him in a lot of the educational presentations I give. All of the babies I’ve ever hatched have been very tame. With captive hatched babies, just messing around in their cage regularly, occasional hand feeding, and offering of special treats while they’re sitting in your hand has always been enough to get them well acclimated to handling.

My northerns are very high strung, but I haven’t made any effort to get them used to handling. They will, however, take food from my hand and get very excited when they see the cricket bag. Both were wild caught as adults.

My wild caught pair of madreans won’t have anything to do with me and hide if they see me looking too closely at them. I have seven babies that I hatched out from them last summer, they’re much tamer, but jumpier than the southerns. They don’t panic while being held, will take food from my hand and in hand but will take a flying leap if given the chance. I think that if I worked with them more, they could easily be tamed down even more.

I don’t have any experience with Texas als yet, but I’d like to get a few when I have more room.

One really nice thing about baby alligator lizards is that they are very bold despite their small size. I had one of my madreans hatch out with something resembling mild metabolic bone disease and he was unable to feed on his own. I was able to pick him up, set him on the palm of my hand and offer him pre-killed smashed crickets. He took them readily and within two weeks had gained the jaw strength to catch and kill his own crickets. I also had a clutch of Slevin’s bunchgrass lizards hatch that same summer, two of the babies were weak and unable to catch their own food, any attempt to intervene (offer food on forceps, or by hand) completely panicked them and I lost them both. I think this innate boldness makes the als very rewarding to work with.
04/01/08  09:46pm

 #1686007


Joshysangel
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   Message To: Aliceinwl   In reference to Message Id: 1685766


 Please dont jump on me...just wondering...

Thank you very much for all your time and information!! im very happy to hear that the MBD one got better!! Im sorry for your 2 losses!! That has to be hard...
04/02/08  12:18am

 #1686194


Thethieflord777
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   Message To: Joshysangel   In reference to Message Id: 1686007


 Please dont jump on me...just wondering...

i caught mine in CA, and dont have a fishing liscnse, so far, no one’s arrested me!
04/02/08  09:15am

 #1701074


Hunter Breed
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   Message To: Thethieflord777   In reference to Message Id: 1686194


 Please dont jump on me...just wondering...

haha thats funny! ya i dont think anyone will bother you about it let alone get arrested, but dont let princess sushi know that, she would prob shoot you for it if she had the chance haha whats even funnier is she probably values your lizards life more than yours.
04/13/08  04:48am

 #1702315


Turtle Dude 100
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   Message To: Hunter Breed   In reference to Message Id: 1701074


 Please dont jump on me...just wondering...

Dude, princess sushi comented on that that. Look at the "I have some contradicting info!" post on this forum. I hope she dosn’t report you.



04/13/08  11:28pm


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