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 #20784


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I just got a baby american thats not yet eating, but probably isnt a problem cuz he just got shipped to me form really far away in cold weather. I threw crickets in the water and he doesnt seem to pay that much attention to it. The crickets just drownd and die. Do you think its better to feed it minnows?


12/24/03  5:35pm
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 #20905


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Hes still not eating. Is this a problem? What should I feed him?


12/25/03  7:59pm
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 #20909


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I’m not an expert on these, but what do you have for caging requirements? What exactly do you have?

PE


12/25/03  8:30pm
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 #21201


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Never mind, I get too worried. Hes eating small minnows.


12/27/03  1:00pm
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 #21203


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Hey Reptile Expert...I almost got a caiman a few years ago...so I was wondering what kind of set up you have for your alligator if you didn’t mind.

PE


12/27/03  1:03pm
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 #21207


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ohh sorry.. I have a huge plastic tub about 45 gallons. Its like half fill with water. I have gravel and have a air pump filter. I have a small screan (that doesnt cover the top but doesnt really matter cuz there not expert climbers) on the top with a 100wt bulb. I have a floating log peice that hes not to fond of. Ive never deen him on it. I have a heater but in it but I heater but its never on cuz my rooms an oven. I got myne at scserp.com. I think they sell dwarf caimens but I just discovered this site so Ive never seen it. Its sooo cheap.


12/27/03  1:40pm
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Thanks for the site, they have some cool stuf. So how big will your alligator get?

PE


12/27/03  1:46pm
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 #21214


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Big.. Id rather have a caimen but allagators are said to be less aggressive and I couldnt find one. Hopfully I have a female wich would get about 8 ft. Males get like 13! The record was 18 ft 2 in.


12/27/03  2:00pm
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 #21219


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I’m totally curious about this.

What do you do when it gets that big? And aren’t their laws against owning an alliagator? Just curious because I didn’t know you can own one without a license.

PE


12/27/03  2:15pm
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 #21220


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I no that theirs laws in Illinois but not Wisconsin. Its also illigal in California. When he gets 6 or 7 ft Ill problly have to sell him or give him away. They grow pretty slow I geus and have a long life expectency about 60 yrs. They grow like a foot a yr until 6 ft (which when they reach sectural maturity) Then they grow slower


12/27/03  2:26pm
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 #21221


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Do you have any photos of your alligator? Your food bill is going to be a killer. Mine is with just a water monitor.

PE


12/27/03  2:30pm
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 #21223


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Not right now my digital camras broken. I might be able to get some soon. I have a breeding trio of mice that ws doin great but they stopped breeding for some reason. Becuz I live in the middle of nowhere I order most of my food online. I have 1 pet shop by me but its so expensive for everything. I order 500 crickets from millbrookcrickets.com for only 13 dollors. Also in summer I used to catch worms and fish to feed to me animals. I dont think thats too good though.


12/27/03  2:45pm
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 #34735


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Wisconsin its illegal...Illinois (Where Im from) its pending..you need permits for any snake thats over four feet....*rolls eyes* and for a alligator at first they were illegal as it was an endangered species but law was revoked when they were taken off the list in 1987.. Permits are required in IL... of course most ignore them as long as the animal is properly Housed then they dont mind..My Guys are American Alligatos my female is 3 1/2 feet my Male is 3 they are in a large enclosure customed built.... I took the basement lining the walls with plexiglass and attached...I have a doorway for entrance and Exit the bottom is filled with dirt grass other vegetation, a Kid pool in the middle with a slide gravel in the bottom and a pump..I keep the feeder fish stocked in their they are fed on land...they get raw chicken beef, gizzards, the feeder fish as well as live gerbils and rats tossed in for the variety....if feeding crickets or the like is expensive have you thought of breeding your own????Simple care process and it might make your life more conveniant Pet stores seem to overcharge to compensate for any loss they may incur...soon as my digital is up and fully running I will snap a picture of Prometheus and Pandora and post on the site


02/13/04  4:01am
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 #34887


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No Im pretty sure its not. I go to Illinoyis every year. I allways go to all the pet shops around cook co.(chicago area) Ive never seen any crocadilians up for sale. I no its illegal there... When I was gettin drove back home to Wisconsin this one pet shop in wi dells was sellin them. I asked about them bein illegal n they said no in Illinoyis it is. Not wisconsin. About the snake thing.. It could just be yor individual county law. Its illegal in a nearby town to own a snake over 6 ft.


02/13/04  9:11pm
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 #34901


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In areas of Wisconsin it is I can send the laws if need be and several cases...in Illinois I have to update my permit to keep mine it is iillegal to sell a crocidilian species but one can be purchased and owned if you meet the criteria and recieve a permit for holdings... I know well enough the Laws here and surrounding states due to being a reptile provider for several of the smaller pet stores. As for the snake permit.....it isnt my individual County it is ILLINOIS PERIOD simply stated again I keep a list of laws in my file cabinet....I research before I make decisions and being involved with the Law can represent myself there was a case taken to the Courts for Ownership of Alligators where they ruled after the case was brought forth it was legal for ownership as long..AS LONG as a permit was kept up to date and you can properly House them the Man in Lincoln was returned his pets...as a result was proven correct now
This is an artile referring to a case in Wisconsin
For as many problems as owning an alligator might pose — expensive heat lamps, daily feedings and a clean pool of water — the worst is trying to get rid of it, as three Marquette juniors found out last week.

Tim Mead, William Weiss and Ryan Hunt were trying to send their 4-foot pet alligator to a home in Colorado. But at the General Mitchell International Airport postal facility, "Cuddles" decided to stay in Milwaukee. He broke out of his shipping carton, sending postal inspectors to the juniors’ home.

That’s when the juniors learned it’s against postal regulations to ship an alligator more than 20 inches long. Nor is it legal to own a pet alligator in Wisconsin, as the juniors later found out, Mead said.

Weiss, Mead and Hunt, who live in a house in the 800 block of North 18th Street, bought an alligator through a breeder on a reptile auction Web site — www.reptibid.com — about four weeks ago, Mead said.

"We just bought the thing for 0 without thinking," he said. "It arrived overnight from a guy that breeds alligators in Pennsylvania."

The juniors spent about 0 preparing for Cuddles’ arrival, Mead said. They bought heat lamps, a pool, food and vegetation for the alligator’s home — a large pantry-type closet in their kitchen.

"It was a lot of fun," Mead said. "He was a great pet. There was a parade of people here every day checking him out."

After the novelty of alligator ownership died down, "we were stuck with a 4-foot alligator," Mead said.

The kitchen began to smell, costs began to accrue and the roommates began to fight over whose turn it was to clean the alligator’s water twice a week, Mead said.

After about four weeks, they reluctantly decided Cuddles had to go.

Mead, Hunt and Weiss placed Cuddles’ picture on the same reptile auction Web site, where a private resident in Colorado won the bid for about .

The juniors fed Cuddles, taped his mouth closed and placed him in the same box he arrived in. They put that box inside an additional box. The three assumed the alligator breeder they got the pet from would know how to ship alligators, and thus shipped Cuddles the same way — in Styrofoam and two cardboard boxes.

"The funniest thing about this is that this whole thing could have taken place in Philadelphia," Mead said.

When the box arrived at the postal facility at Mitchell airport, Cuddles somehow broke lose, said Jo Blackburn, a spokesperson for the Milwaukee Central Post Offfice. Postal officials placed the box on a table and the alligator’s snout broke through the side.

The day after he shipped it, Mead was woken up by his roommate, who said there were three people in the living room looking for him.

"I didn’t know about the legality of this whole thing," he said. Because the breeder sent it in a box, "it sounded like it was perfectly fine to send them through the mail."

The investigators were "laughing about it" and cleared him of any charges, he said.

Blackburn said the situation is still under investigation. Any resulting charges would be filed by the U.S. Attorney’s office, not the U.S. Post Office.

Just when they thought their troubles had ended, Mead heard a knock on the door.

He was greeted by a WTMJ-TV Channel 4 news camera, Mead said. The story quickly spread to other news organization and eventually ended up on news stations in Milwaukee, the nationwide CNN Headline News and the Associated Press wire, which has an international audience.

"We just tried to get rid of this all in the most low-key, low-profile way possible," Mead said.

Cuddles is now on his way to a wildlife sanctuary in Florida. The person in Colorado who purchased the alligator has been informed, Mead said.

The juniors were concerned their landlord would be angry about the alligator debacle. So far, it has not been a concern, Mead said.


For Illinois the statures go as follows.. This was a fought case these are listed it was stated then Ownership under proper Guidelines -IS- allowed

On February 15, 2002, Logan County Circuit Judge David Coogan ruled on the case as follows: “Court finds that an American Alligator is a threatened or endangered species and does require a permit from IL Dept. of Natural Resources. The court further finds that Counts I-V of Plaintiff’s Complaint fails to state a cause of action and are hereby dismissed.”

I have a serious problem with the finding of this court. I will attempt to explain fully why I believe the court ruled wrongly on this case.

1. American Alligators are listed as “Similarity of appearance to a threatened taxon”. No where in Illinois law, does it give mention to this classification.

2. US Fish & Wildlife Service also states that this status only applies to the alligator’s range, which consists of the states of AL, AR, FL, GA, LA, MS, NC, OK, SC, & TX.. Illinois is not, nor has it ever been in the alligator’s native range.

3. Federal law 50CFR17.42 clearly states in brief that “Any person may take an alligator in the wild, or one which was born in captivity or lawfully placed in captivity, and may deliver,
receive, carry, transport, ship, sell, offer to sell, purchase, or offer to purchase such alligator in interstate or foreign commerce”

4. The IL Endangered Species Protection Act (520 ILCS 10/) defines both Endangered and Threatened species, and states that the animal must be classified as Endangered or Threatened under the Federal Endangered Species Protection Act of 1973. It also defines Animal Product as “the fur, hide, skin, teeth, feathers, tusks, claws, eggs, nests, or the body or any portion thereof whether in a green or raw state or as a product manufactured or refined from an animal
protected under this Act”

My argument is as follows: How can restaurants sell alligator meat, and how can
consumers purchase alligator meat in this state without permit, under the interpretation of this court? Is alligator meat not an animal product ? What about mounted skulls, claws, and hides of alligators?

The American alligator has not been covered by the Illinois law for 16 years. Any
reasonable person can clearly see this.

So finally ruling was seen fit for proper owneship and care..hence Define illegal...It isnt as long as a pemit IS obtained


02/13/04  10:05pm
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 #35100


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Ill check in with the dnr. Wut would happen if I found out that it was illegal? They dont kill them do they? In Florida I think its so cruel that if an allagator over 5 ft gets near poeple in a city they kill it. Do u have the laws of telling in which co. they’re illegal in?


02/14/04  7:03pm
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 #35113


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Darlin Laws are there for a reason...I myself dont see a problem as long as when he/she grows you can House her and keep her fed....if push comes to shove dont tell to many people about her to keep it low until you find out for certain I mean, they could have passed a new ruling besides no they wont Euthenize them they will take him to a refuge or release him her depending but there are MANY people that keep them without the permits just....try not to ship her eh?? the only reason the kids got found out was due to theirs escaping take precaustions and Im sure your fine


02/14/04  7:37pm
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 #39522


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lol I agree


02/27/04  11:36pm
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 #39957


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I shipped an alligator WI last year about that size and I am in PA. but that wasn’t mine. But I can tell you for a fact that they DO NOT release them anywhere. They if anything are taken to a rehaber and then if in good enough health they will be released into a FARM where if young enough they will turn into expensive belts wallets etc. If you are not prepared for an alligator then DON"T get one. I am sick of hearing about the ones released into the rivers lakes and anywhere the person that wasn’t ready can get rid of it. "The laws are in place for a reason" I agree and the reason is all the damn unresponsable pet owners out there. If everyone wants PETA and the SPCA to get their way and prohibit the ownership of reptiles in this country keep going the way it is going. I say grow up people be alittle more responsable for the animals you buy or don’t buy them in the first palce. Watch how they are shipped how they are kept and they will have nothing to complain about. The turtle laws (federal) are in place because "a 4 inch turtle can’t fit in a childs mouth) I say where are the parents when a child is sticking anything in his/her mouth especially alive animal. Again it is not the animals it is the owners. I am sorry I think this thread was started because of a baby that would not eat: I seen it is eating fish well as a treat that is fine but get away from them as a staple. Place a rock in you tub big enough for it to get out of the water completely and put your basking light above the stone. feed live crickets dumped on the stone and small mice pinkie fizzie etc. and as far as growin I posted 2 picture for RETILE EXPERT of my baby tub and a 8 foot 8 year old so as far as them slowing down, Only if you stop feeding them. LOL




02/29/04  2:28am
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 #40022


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  Message To: Bayou   In reference to Message Id: 39957


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o ok thats cool! I LOVE your gators!


02/29/04  10:39am
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 #40057


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Thank you alot of love alot of time and a TON of food!! LOL
Thank you


02/29/04  11:56am
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 #40100


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  Message To: Bayou   In reference to Message Id: 40057


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haha ya TONS of food I bet!


02/29/04  1:46pm
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 #40223


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Digi cams broke will be a few days Ugh...cats love to play with them.. I agree itsp eople like that that get us..limited on what we can have..in IL a 4 and above snake is "Dangerous" and requires a permit due to some typical run of the mill idiot..people get them for the wrong reasons simply stated because they are "cool" matter of fact...went to a reptile swap the other day..people came in with 2 savannah monitors..one was severely burned w/Pnuemonia the other one was burned..the girl said "got him cuz they are awesome looking and didnt know what I was doing....case and point


02/29/04  5:54pm
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 #40265


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Poor savannah. If I had room I would take in as many repts as I could from the shelters near me. Pretty much all iguanas who had STUPID owners that didn’t reasurch them at all and didn’t know that they got BIG!


02/29/04  7:49pm
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 #43030


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My allagators doin really good. Does any one no how to sex them? This is probablly a stupid question but.. do people take allagators on walks. Iv seen pictures of people with leashes on their allagators. Allagators are allowed to to be in with other aquatic reptiles right? I have myne in with an eastern spiny softshelled turtle, 2 painteds, n 2 snappers.


03/07/04  12:40am
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 #43041


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I will tell you this it may be ok for a while but Crocs are one of the only retiles that are capable of digesting turtle shells(this info was gotten from stomach contents and fecies) so if they eat turtles I wouldn’t keep any to much smaller than its head in with it. As far as sexing you can pop a gator but don’t try it if you don’t know what you are doing. Probing is another way but again only if you know what you are doing. Do me and yourself a favor and remove at least the soft shell.


03/07/04  1:20am
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 #44200


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  Message To: Bayou   In reference to Message Id: 43041


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I dont have a probing set and no vets around me would have an idea of anything. I think the soft shells the least likelly to get into conflicts with my allagator. Hes usualally shy and allways stays out of the allagators way. Hes also the largest turtle in the cage. The only problem was when I dumped crickets in. The turtles got them first and the allagator tried to steal the and bites them. I now feed one cricket at a time.


03/09/04  10:00pm
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 #44295


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Ooooooooooooh boy..okay look Ill say this simply GET the Gator outta the tank with the turtles thats common ignorance to mix animals..thats like well hell sticking my large male Burm in with my pet rabbits...Ooooh gee why are they missing?? *snorts* Im not even commenting and you Bayou?


03/10/04  1:54am
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 #44315


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All I have to say in my defense is People are going to do what people are going to do with or with out you or me telling them different. So if they are going to keep turtles in with an animal that is known to eat TURTLES. A good for instance is I said "do me and yourself a favor and remove at least the soft shell". His response was what? I think the soft shell is going to have the least problems. Well I realised I must not have Gators, and turtles or must not know what I am talking about. I will say this I have kept turtles with gators when I was younger and the gators killed them all and they were not SOFT shell they were all full grown R/E slidders and guess how they met there demise, not dirty water they got it right through the shell.

So if people are going to do what people are going to do then why even ask the stupid questions in the first place. I think I will try housing my B/G Macaw in with my IGS.

Just a thought: Perception is reality to the person perceiving it .


03/10/04  7:08am
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 #44417


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Well im thinking rabbit cage is roomy..Ill throw my two juvi Burms in there with my pet bunnies..they can cuddle and snuggle!!!!oh chit speaking of which gotta toss another Guinea pig in...till then cioa!


03/10/04  2:47pm
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 #44546


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CelticTigeress u go ahead n do that....
Snakes r a lot more solitary than allagators. When I went to florida I saw juv allagators basking on the same log as turtles. Do u see burm pythons and rabbits within 2 ft of eachother exept for eating???? no LOL I love yor hallarious jokes u must not have any friends to tell jokes to so u have to go on the computer to tell people who dont even no u these gay jokes that no one thinks is funny..


03/10/04  6:20pm
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 #44581


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I think they are funnyy!! And go ahead and try to insult me I seen Alligators basking today AT MY HOUSE.LOL. The advice was given so if you choose to take it or leave it thats up to you..As for attitude I personally think people like you should never be closer to owning an Alligator than seeing one basking in FL. You were told that they eat turtles if you choose to not beleive maybe try reading a book. If you like to travel go to Cleavland zoo and get the post card they sell of the Alligator they have at the zoo eating a box turtle. Look in the wild they have a large variety of prey to choose from and they still eat the turtles so what makes you think in captivity they will not eat something that is a natural prey item for them if it is in their face 24-7 HMM. Thats a thinker. you had said about the snakes not being social well many differant snake species bask and den together, such as Rattlesnakes with copperheads,ringnecks,rat snakes, and others, sound social to me?? BUT a snake like a python staying with a rabbit or g-pig NO why not because IT IS A PREY ITEM. WOW another thinker. How are you liking my jokes you asked a question, you got an answer and didn’t like it so cry alittle more. You are acting like my 6 year old when I tell him something he dosen’t want to hear. If you didn’t want a honest answer then my advice is to not ask the question in the first place. This is my last post on this Juvinile thread so again grow up and accept help when you ask for it if you disaggree with something said then you just don’t follow that advice, Don’t go and make yourself sound like MORE of an idiot. YES BAYOU BEASTS IS BACK AND RUDE!!!!!!!!!!

TB


03/10/04  6:58pm
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 #44601


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  Message To: Bayou   In reference to Message Id: 44581


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No. I no that allagators eat turtles. Ive read it in books too. I never said they didnt. An allagator will not eat a turtle that cant fit in his mouth. THE ALLAGATOR IS THE SAME SIZE AS THE TURTLES. its not too hard to explain. When my allagator grows up no of corse Im not guna keep them together. Alls Im trying to say is NOW there is absolutlly NO problem with them being in the same enclosure. N as for snakes not bein as social as allagators Im right. Yea rattlesnakes will hibernate with other animals. Im not talking about rattlesnakes Im talking about snakes in genral. Snakes IN GENRAL are more solitary than allagators. u could keep a male and a couple of female allagators together as adults... u could keep many baby allagators together..


03/10/04  7:23pm
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 #44608


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Im done..you know though..AT LEAST I CAN SPELL and English is my second language..whats YOUR excuse? (Borrowed that from my oldest neice heh) No the point was made your putting a natural predator and prey together.....thats as bad as me sticking my burms in with bunnies.... now anyway Im done with ignorance....good luck with the Gator exploit..try not to lose TO many fingers...you care to insult me make childish comments be a complete and utter idiot?? Samuel Clemmens once stated (for you as an illiterate...thats Mark Tawin) It is best to keep ones mouth shut and be thought a fool...then to open it and remove all doubt... 2 points for Mark Twain..You asked advice you got it..then get pissed when its not what you want to hear...so we state it in this manner....dont ask questions you may not like the answer to....I leave with this final though a philosopher by the name of Frederich Nietzche...a misunderstood mind (Hope vocabulary isnt to big) When you stare into the abyss...the abyss stares long into you.. and when you battle Monsters..see in the process you do not become one" So I suppose that can be taken into context as if you try and battle stupidity and ignorance it makes you look just as bad..THIS is my last post to ignorance


03/10/04  7:29pm
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 #44634


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Sorry.. I dont mean to be rude. y dont I spell???? Does it really matter??? Im not writing a letter to the president. Im typing fast and I dont think it matters to spell correctly on here. I substitite n for and..so what. Look, alls Im trying to say is there is no problem to put a turtle in with a baby allagator. They are both practiclly the same size and Ive never had a problem with them. I dont no why we’re argueing about this. I can keep my animals the way I want and you can do it your way. Ive never had a healthy animal die on me yet if your concerned.


03/10/04  7:48pm
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  Message To: Reptile   In reference to Message Id: 44634


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What do you think the purpose of the death roll is. I thought they used it to break peices of stuff off that is to big to swallow. So if that is the case then I would have to agree with you in your twisted and uneducated comment that they don’t eat stuff bigger than their head. BUT I OWN A 8.5 footer that eats Caribou neck roasts he breaks it apart and crushes the bones then swallows it. So if you want to argue go to/back to school tomorrow and ask somebody for an educated response. As far as spelling even if you are typing fast how many times can you possibly spell something wrong like ALLIGATOR not Allagator. Ilove the posts from our very own REPTILE EXPERT.


03/11/04  4:27am
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 #44851


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  Message To: Bayou   In reference to Message Id: 44811


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And he misspelled it not only once but Eight times!!! I really think he does not know how to spell Alligator. The I in nowhere near the A. Good luck on the Scientific name. (here is a clue, almost sounds like a river’s name) Mississip????


03/11/04  9:35am
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 #44901


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  Message To: Tegator   In reference to Message Id: 44851


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Hey the sad thing is my little nephew my youngest one can spell it he even drew me a picture of Pandora and wrote the name and how its spelled...hes like 5 years old heh.....Course Aunty here had to promise to get another female in time to call her Alli *grins*anywho GOT the pond...Now GOT to situate it where I want it...gonna do rock formations and slides on it..okay wait now lets see If I recall correctly....when something is too big for a small and/or Large Gator they not only do the deathroll, but they drag it under water and store it away to start to rot...AS WELL as periodically taking chunks from it until the carcass is no more...Now before you get on your High Horse expert and assume its just in the wild.. *NEWSFLASH*...My Pandora is Three Feet...On occasion I toss her a smaller Rabbit..... she kills the sucker and she drags it to her hideaway (I have caves set up for their privacy) And THEN she proceeds to eat it until its gone...bones and all there is never really anything left...and well the bunnies are too big..Prometheus is the same way...though this isnt a common occurance..I let em stick to chicken, and beef...but Nephew comes over and wants to see them eat....and with Pandora its actually calmed her down a bit....so anyway back to my point...numbnuts...."reptile expert" my Gators attack rabbits..something bigger then them...and just stash the smiley away and devour it at leisure...if your gonna sit there and assume they wont eat your precious pet turtles.....think again thats BEGGING for trouble..it has that constant meal there...it would be like myself putting my pet Betas in with Jaws..whose my Oscar ooooooh no he wont eat...oh smiley...Im outta my Betas.....okay second thought maybe thats NOT a brilliant Idea.....anywho Gators are not hungry for right now break time from feeding this week they get gizzards and wings yummy (I feed the multiple times...but they are on a two week "food"scheduling...two weeks they get the same thing then it swaps heh PLEASE dont misunderstand that)Okay back to my Final THought *I Feel like Jerry Springer* "I Heard the dumbest thing the other day while standing in the store....if it werent for my Horse I wouldnt have spent that Year in college...Yes I said..if it werent for my Horse...Giddy up giddy up lets go..I wouldnt have spent that year in college..Now thats a statement that makes you stop and you look at your buddies to see if they heard it but of course they didnt! they are too busy trying out cellphones pretending they know what they are doing and they DONT....and you look back to the girl...dont think to long on it thats one of those statements where blood rushes out of your ear and the next morning the COPS find you DEAD from an ANNURISM....If it werent for my horse I wouldnt spent my year in college..Now that leaves me thinking well maybe she rode the Horse to school..No..... Maybe she had a polo pony scholarship....No she didnt have a polo pony scholarship..THEN it dawns on me...any person who could peice together THAT stupid a phrase couldnt have POSSIBLY attended school....of course while Im thinking my left side of the brain...looks at the right side of the Brain with..."Its dark...and we may die" compliments of Lewis Black...I guess my point is..if you ponder on stupidity and ignorance long enough you becaome just as stupid just as blunt...just as ignorant.....The Goddess Must have loved stupid people she made a lot of them" Human beings can be relied upon , to exercise with vigor ,their God-given right to be stupid,From "Fear Nothing" by Dean Koontz Heh okay Im done


03/11/04  1:12pm
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 #44902


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  Message To: CelticTigeress   In reference to Message Id: 44901


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Wait no Im not..hold up...is this the same person that wanted to debate laws with me??and tell me its illegal in IL but not Wisconsin...oooooooooooooh wait IT IS! well thats right afterwards preaching laws and statutes..I guess that ended the arguement..Nuff said Peace out


03/11/04  1:13pm
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 #44954


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  Message To: CelticTigeress   In reference to Message Id: 44902


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Ohh my god!!! I cant beleive it! I spelt alligator wrong! Ohh no now what am I guna do!! and wait!! you can count too I spelt it wrong 8 times. Jeez dont you guys have a life? SO WHAT IF I DONT TAKE TIME TO SPELL CORRECTLLY IT REALLY DOESNT MATTER ON HERE! I know people from a nearby zoo who keep turtles in with juv. allIgators. Ya no if you watch animal planet it shows them keeping juv. allIgators in with turtles. I geus theyre wrong too. I feed my animals properly so no my alligator doesnt have to do the death roll to a turtle. He knows that theirs an easier was of getting food. At least someone exibits a sighn of intelligents. Thank god!!
Alls I asked is why you think I should sepetate my soft shell....


03/11/04  4:48pm
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 #44956


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  Message To: CelticTigeress   In reference to Message Id: 44902


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With all due respect, Why is everyone so bent out of shape over this?!
First if he’s wrong then the turtle will end up as food... ...I happen to know that quite a few people on here feed live mice and other stuff -now it’s not my call to debate the morals of feeding mice or turtles but the fact is they’re not far off in terms of brain power- of sorts (lizards and what not). Second, do a search for "bert the caiman" on google.com . Bert has a friend... :)


03/11/04  4:55pm
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 #44960


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  Message To: Reptile   In reference to Message Id: 44954


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Why dont you email australia zoo thats where Ive seen them mixing them. Just hold on a seccond.. Ill try to fing their email for you so it wont be so much of a hassle for you!! K? just hold on.


03/11/04  4:59pm
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 #44965


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  Message To: Reptile   In reference to Message Id: 44960


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call and ask them. (07) 5436 2000 International: +61 7 5436 2000


03/11/04  5:09pm
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 #44972


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  Message To: Reptile   In reference to Message Id: 44965


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Did you all know that they mix Pigs with Tigers?! COOL hey!

Point is, just cuz they’d eat them in the wild doesnt mean a well fed animal will nessiserilly eat EVERYTHING near it in captivity....

...And in the lion king Simba (A LION!!!!) lives with a pig and a little meere cat thing... ...what are the odds :O

LOL ;)


03/11/04  5:21pm
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 #44985


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  Message To: Dusty   In reference to Message Id: 44972


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Exactlly. Finally someone on my side! lol


03/11/04  5:41pm
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 #44994


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  Message To: Reptile   In reference to Message Id: 20784


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well you may not think i know much abot alligators just because i am a 13 year old girl but i do! I have an american alligator also. I would recomend getting gold fish because they are bright enough so that he can see them and they will stay alive longer, but the bad thing about gold fish are that they can swim under the rocks if you have them in your cage also if your gator isnt use to catching its own food they may be to fast for him. If he is big enough you can get him small white mice(thats what i feed mine).


03/11/04  5:48pm
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 #44998


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  Message To: Dusty   In reference to Message Id: 44972


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I regret I took the time to read this entire thread.


03/11/04  5:55pm
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 #45006


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  Message To: Carmelita   In reference to Message Id: 44998


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lol


03/11/04  6:05pm
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 #45590


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