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#129390
Steely
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 Feeding live mice/rats
is it alright to do so, i have heard people say that the mice may injure the snake but i have fed my b/p live twice and it has been alright. please everyone share your view on live feeding im just curious is all. cheers!.
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08/26/04 4:41pm
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#129396
Roachey56
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Message To: Steely In reference to Message Id: 129390
Feeding live mice/rats
i will only feed live pinkies or fuzzies as they are harmless. Anything larger than a fuzzie i would never feed live.
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08/26/04 4:52pm
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#130505
Steely
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 129396
Feeding live mice/rats
ok thanks i’ll try it 2day :D
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08/28/04 6:09am
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#131700
Scott14
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Message To: Steely In reference to Message Id: 130505
Feeding live mice/rats
jees! i cud just imagine the look on my lil sisters face if i had a bp and fed it a live lil mouse(shes vegatarian aswell) shed kill me!! lol!
scott14,
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08/29/04 6:06pm
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#132034
Poncho
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Message To: Scott14 In reference to Message Id: 131700
Feeding live mice/rats
I will never feed a death rodent to my snake. They are predators, not scavengers. Imagine living inside an enclosure almost all the time of your life, anything that distracts you from your boredness will be welcome but then you have your owner that wants to take away the only fun activity you have after a week of waiting just because he wants you to look pretty without any scars. Im sorry but I just think that feeding dead is cruel to the snake and it is just an escape to dont have to look a poor and defensless little mouse die "suffering"
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08/30/04 2:51am
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#132087
Roachey56
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Message To: Poncho In reference to Message Id: 132034
Feeding live mice/rats
If a snake comes across a good sized prey item in the wild, they will take it. Hunting takes up lots of energy, and in the wild wasting energy may mean death. Snakes (and all other animals) don’t enjoy killing something, they do it because they have to. Humans are the only animal that enjoys when we kill something/something gets killed. Also, many snakes in captivity are active and are not "bored" as they are doing something. So not endangering your snakes life by feeding live is cruel? Lessening the pain of another animal is cruel? do you enjoy seeing a mouse/rat take minutes to die rather than seconds? if you were being fed to the snake would you want to be constricted or would you rather have died in a matter of seconds? poncho,
if you had an adult BC ssp, you would feed an extremely dangerous live adult rat to it? or would you feed 50 harmless rat fuzzies?
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08/30/04 9:36am
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#132094
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 132087
Feeding live mice/rats
well said roachey, I don’t feed frozen at the moment, but I am not against live or frozen. There are 2 reasons I dont feed frozen 1. Mosi stopped constricting after 3 months of frozen pinkies and we didn’t like that. 2. They only sell frozen pinkies/rat pups in our petshop so we have to get live. Does anyone knoe why mosi stopped constricting?I would gladly go back to frozen if mosi would constrict them....why doesn’t he?
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08/30/04 9:58am
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#132145
Roachey56
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 132094
Feeding live mice/rats
Mosi stopped constricting because she knows its a waste of energy to constrict an already dead prey item. There is nothing wrong with him/her not constricting frozend/prekilled.
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08/30/04 11:09am
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#132155
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 132145
Feeding live mice/rats
OK, So I shouldnt worry about the no constriction? (is that a word?lol)I just found out my petstore had a big announcement that they now have frozen mice and rats! so hopefully I can start feeding frozen again! BTW I have started breeding rats, and as soon as they have the pinkies I was gonna feed them to mosi (when we got him he was on mice pinkies these would be rat pinkies)but right now he is on feeder mice, would it be ok to every once in a while feed him a pinkie instead of a mouse?thanks for all your help!!!BTW I LOVE YOUR WEBSITE!!!!
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08/30/04 11:21am
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#132183
Poncho
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 132087
Feeding live mice/rats
Roachey, do you honestly think you could live your entire life inside your room and not be bored?
A mouse killed to be frozen is killed in a gas chamber, which makes them feel they are lacking of air but before they start suffocating they pass out. A mouse being constricted also pass out before it starts to suffocate because blood is stuck in her brain because of the constriction.
All in all I have to admit that my snake is only eating adult mouse, maybe when I feed her rats I will change my opinion on this matter
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08/30/04 12:09pm
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#132388
Roachey56
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Message To: Poncho In reference to Message Id: 132183
Feeding live mice/rats
you can’t compare a human and a snake. When the mouse is being constricted they don’t pass out until they are close to dieing. When they are in a gas chamber they pass out in a few seconds. An adult mouse can still seriously injur and kill a snake, my blood python Rhianon has some terrible scaring (which has healed up quite nice) from a mouse. A mouse can crush a BP’s skull and bite into the brain.
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08/30/04 5:35pm
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#132462
WildWillie
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 132388
Feeding live mice/rats
Wow this is something that will never end. If you feed live just take the precautions. A stressed out rat is extremely dangerous, and a rat thats not is almost harmless (unless a freak error). In my experierence i havent yet had a rat bite any of my snakes whill live feeding. But the ones that do eat live never eat dead so its always the same.
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08/30/04 6:51pm
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#132953
Repticfan1389
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Message To: WildWillie In reference to Message Id: 132462
Feeding live mice/rats
feed them live foood they dont want to be feed they want to hunt. u people are taking away a god diven insticnt.dont get a snake if u cant watch a mouse die.
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08/31/04 9:46am
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#132957
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Repticfan1389 In reference to Message Id: 132953
Feeding live mice/rats
it has nothing to do with watching a freaken mouse die, a hungry or stressed mouse can seriously injure our snakes...I feed live because I dont have availability of frozen...DUMBIE did you read the whole thing? no one said anything about watching mice/rats die....we just dont want our snakes to be scarred and everntualy maybe even DIE
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08/31/04 9:54am
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#132969
Eyespy
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 132957
Feeding live mice/rats
In many states, counties and cities in the US feeding live prey is illegal and you can be charged with animal cruelty. There has never been any proven benefit to feeding live prey and many documented cases of injury or serious infection from bite and scratch wounds given by the prey items.Why risk it? It’s very anthropomorphic to think you are depriving a snake of enjoyment. They don’t have a cerebral cortex, and are incapable of such advanced concepts as boredom. They are still utilizing hunting instinct whether the prey is living or dead.
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08/31/04 10:21am
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#132988
Repticfan1389
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Message To: Eyespy In reference to Message Id: 132969
Feeding live mice/rats
no ur not depriving it enjoyment ur depriving its instincts.that law about not feeding live mice and rats is just dumb they better send the police out into the woods and arrest the snakes out there cuz the poor mice are are getting eatin
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08/31/04 11:14am
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#133000
Roachey56
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Message To: Repticfan1389 In reference to Message Id: 132988
Feeding live mice/rats
why is it dumb? it is more humane (for the feeder) and safer for the snake.
When you feed prekilled you are NOT depriving it of instincts, as it uses its instincts to know not to pass up an already killed meal. In nature there is one goal for all animals; to reproduce. If a snake gets killed by a feeder, it was deprived of its natural born instinct of striving to reproduce. a snake wouldn’t pass up an already dead meal as it saves time, energy, and is safer.
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08/31/04 11:40am
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#133005
Repticfan1389
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 133000
Feeding live mice/rats
how do u humanily kill ur rat i know for a fact that my snakes will not eat a dead rat i have tryed they will ignore it they only hunt.
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08/31/04 11:49am
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#133014
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Repticfan1389 In reference to Message Id: 133005
Feeding live mice/rats
Co2 chambers....or you can fresh kill them your self by slammin the on a wall...I could never fresh kil though it woulld break my heart....
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08/31/04 12:04pm
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#133024
Repticfan1389
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 133014
Feeding live mice/rats
yeah it is humane to gas them or crush there skull come on people there is no humane way to kill a feeder rat unless u want to spend a lot of mony and uthanise
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08/31/04 12:19pm
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#133031
Roachey56
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 133014
Feeding live mice/rats
actually crushing their brain and/or breaking their spinal cord (cervical dislocation) is the most humane way to kill a feeder. If done correctly they die instantly and suffer no pain.Repticfan,
Just wondering, but what kinds of snakes do you have? how have you tried to feed prekill? how many times have you tried? why do you feed live?
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08/31/04 12:26pm
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#133035
Roachey56
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Message To: Repticfan1389 In reference to Message Id: 133005
Feeding live mice/rats
also repticfan,
Snakes DO hunt dead prey items. I bet you if you actually tried to feed your snakes prekill they would eat it, but i bet you won’t really try because you enjoy watching the snake kill.
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08/31/04 12:29pm
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#133062
Repticfan1389
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 133035
Feeding live mice/rats
ok for starters dont tell me what i enjoy got it ok. and manby if u could read i said i have tryed it and they just ignored it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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08/31/04 1:18pm
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#133179
Poncho
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Message To: Repticfan1389 In reference to Message Id: 133062
Feeding live mice/rats
I can bet everyone here has watched on Discovery channel lions hunt and enjoyed it, it is a natural thing, thousands of animals die every day to their predators, the only thing is that some people dont enjoy watching an animal die in real live, they say its inhumane just because they have it really close to them and there is a natural fear to dead in humans. I can bet you dont say it is inhumane that a bunch of lions kill a baby zebra do you?
Inhumane is to watch dozens of elephants and rhinos being killed just to cut out their horns and let their flesh to rotten
Inhumane is to watch a tiger being peeled off his skin without prekilling it or at leat with anesthesia
So dont come and tell me it is inhumane to feed a live mouse to my snake because it isnt, it`s just natural. It happens everyday everywhere
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08/31/04 4:26pm
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#133204
Repticfan1389
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Message To: Poncho In reference to Message Id: 133179
Feeding live mice/rats
FINALLY THANK YOU PONCHO!!!!!!!!!
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08/31/04 5:15pm
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#133213
Bonesand
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Message To: Steely In reference to Message Id: 129390
Here we go again...
I prefer feeding my snakes live. I raise my own rats & mice as feeders, in fact. I think it is important to make sure to feed your animal live food of appropriate size, and not to leave your snake unattended with live food. I also think it is important to treat your feeder rats and mice decently- feed them properly, give them adequate clean water and space. A stressed rat or mouse is far more likely to injure your snake than a healthy unstressed one in my opinion. If you don’t want the additional responsibility of taking care of live rodents, by all means go with frozen.
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08/31/04 5:28pm
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#133254
Ecb
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Message To: Steely In reference to Message Id: 129390
Feeding live mice/rats
This is a response to the Original Post
My daughter has a 32" 15 Month old Captive Born and Bread Ball Python
We have successfully gotten her to take frozen mice, but never Frozen rats (I think its the Pup appearance)
but she WILL take a Fully Stunned Rat (be it a small one)
We plan to have her Switched over by Christmas
We do NOT allow the Feeders to be active in the feeding tank with her, for her protection, not just to have a pretty sanke, but to have a healthy one
I Dated a guy a long time Many Years BC(before children) and his Corn Snake was VERY badly hurt by a Mouse, and he would NO stop feeding Live Prey. The snake Died after the second time it was attacked by a Feeder Mouse.Just MHO, and my Experience
no Fighting, Have a great week, and a nice holiday
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08/31/04 6:14pm
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#133275
Roachey56
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Message To: Poncho In reference to Message Id: 133179
Feeding live mice/rats
poncho,
do the lions in the wild have a choice between live zebra and already dead zebra 100% of the time? lions in the wild don’t have a choice (most of the time anyway) to decide if they will eat live food rather than have already dead stuff.
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08/31/04 6:43pm
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#133283
Repticfan1389
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 133275
Feeding live mice/rats
well if thats the case why dont they do what hienas do!!!!!
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08/31/04 6:52pm
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#133289
Roachey56
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Message To: Repticfan1389 In reference to Message Id: 133283
Feeding live mice/rats
because lions need soooooooo much more food than a hyena. And if they were scavengers like hyenas they would have to compete for food as they would occuppy either the same niche or an extremely similar niche. And when animals compete, all the sides lose.
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08/31/04 6:58pm
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#133312
Repticfan1389
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 133289
Feeding live mice/rats
how bout this u think what u want i think what i want
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08/31/04 7:25pm
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#134282
WildWillie
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Message To: Repticfan1389 In reference to Message Id: 133312
Feeding live mice/rats
Just to get ppl str8 lions are just as much scavengers as hynenas (watch discovery once in awhile). And what is this PETA gathering. These animals are breed to die. If you guys wanna complain about this complain about the millions of chickens, cows, pigs, etc that get cramped in small areas till its time to die. GIVE IT A BREAK! This is annoying. Its not like the mouse feels much. Endorphines get released wit its adreniline and probably doesnt feel much as it dies. I tried to end this before it started. This argument goes on and on wit just finger pointing. I dont see how you guys call ppl dumb cuz they have a different point of few. If you feed live great, if you feed dead great for you.
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09/01/04 10:55pm
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