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#135952
BoaBabe448
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CUPID ATE!!!! 
Hey, he was looking pretty skinny so I though I would feed him earlier than I was gonna...so I got him a live fuzzy (they were out of F/T) and it slowly moved around the cage but as soon as it went in front of his hide BAM! so atleast I know he is a good eater!!! I AM SO EXCITED STILL!!!!!!!!!
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09/04/04 2:18pm
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#135955
BoaBabe448
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 135952
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uh-oh feet first...should I worry?
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09/04/04 2:19pm
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#135959
Anole_keeper
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 135955
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no...not at all!for some reason when i first got my corns back in january and fed live just until they were acclimated(about 2-3 weeks)they used to always swallow it feet first.but that only happened w/ live.since i’ve been feeding f/t which is late january/early february they have all been head first.but i dangle the mouse by the tail so that they think its live and that gets a full-blown strike and constriction!
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09/04/04 2:24pm
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#135962
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Anole_keeper In reference to Message Id: 135959
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Yea he ate fine...I was worried because it seemed like the feet were getting stuck, but he ate perfectly! I am so glad he is a good eater!
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09/04/04 2:27pm
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#135965
Anole_keeper
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 135962
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yea thats good/a relief b/c bp’s can be fussy eaters!jw...r u keeping a natural looking setup or a simple "paper towel and plant base hide" setup?
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09/04/04 2:29pm
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#135967
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Anole_keeper In reference to Message Id: 135965
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Substrate: Green indoor/outdoor carpet.
Hides: half a log hidden in artificial leaves, full log.
Water: Water bowl (lol)
heat: heat pad (monitoring temps constantly)
tank size: 10gal.
Snake size: 14inch
I guess you would say natural looking.... -note- I take out everything but the hide he is in when he eats (to make sure he doesn’t drown eating or injest an artificial leaf)
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09/04/04 2:37pm
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#135981
BoaBabe448
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 135967
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bump
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09/04/04 3:01pm
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#136000
Anole_keeper
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 135981
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o sounds good.i am not a fan of repti-carpet for a few reasons!its looks so gross when a snake does a huge poop on it and u cannot give proper humidity levels!but b/c ball pythons need to feel very very seure i would use a hide that to u looks to small for him/her....if i were u.for a 14inch baby i would a plant base that is only about 2 inches high.when hiding,reptiles like to feel the hide touching them!at the last reptile show i went to which was in july,this one booth made home-mad natural terra cotta hides of all shapes and sizes.i was gonna purchase this really cool one for my corns but it was way too much although they would probably have loved it!it was 90 bucks!it about a 18 inch square of natural terra cotta w/ a slight curve in it just so that there was about an 1 1/2 inches of space inside it....but maybe at the next one i’ll get it!but sounds good!....just thought i’d give some pointers.
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09/04/04 3:24pm
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#136014
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Anole_keeper In reference to Message Id: 136000
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yea the half log is fitted....like it’s touching him
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09/04/04 3:54pm
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#136016
Anole_keeper
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 136014
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o ok...thats fine then!
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09/04/04 3:56pm
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#136022
Roachey56
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Message To: Anole_keeper In reference to Message Id: 136016
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< shudders >
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09/04/04 4:00pm
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#136026
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 136022
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I dont get it?
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09/04/04 4:02pm
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#136051
Roachey56
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 136026
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dont get what?
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09/04/04 4:22pm
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#136055
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 136051
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I dont get that? look at this cool avatar someone made me
whatcha think? oh and what does mean?
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09/04/04 4:27pm
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#136223
Roachey56
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 136055
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don’t get why i wrote " < shudders > "?
also that BC ssp either has RI or is at the end of eating (looks more like RI).
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09/04/04 8:29pm
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#136243
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 136223
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I dont know..."dad" on here made it for meyes I dont understand why you wrote and i dont knwo what that means
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09/04/04 8:42pm
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#136249
Roachey56
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 136243
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I write " < shudders > " When i hear about people posting bad examples when regards to snake husbandry. As a majority of young children think "If it is okay for them it is okay for me".
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09/04/04 8:44pm
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#136275
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 136249
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what did I do wrong? Cupid was looking so skinny I think they hadnt fed him in a while, so I decided I would go ahead and feed him.
I do not want anyone to think it is ok to feed the dayafter you get them home. It is best to wait 5 days atleast. But you have no Idea how skinny he was looking. He was healthy but hungry.
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09/04/04 8:59pm
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#136288
Roachey56
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 136275
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you handled him within 7 days of recieving him, you fed him within 7 days of recieving, you got a snake that "Was looking so skinny...they hadn’t fed him" therefore encouraging a store to mistreat more animals.
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09/04/04 9:08pm
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#136304
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 136288
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I didn’t buy hijm because he was looking skinny...it was feeding day when I bought him and I got there b4 they fed. and he was hungry so I fed him he is perfectly fine. I finaly got one, I am not gonna kill it. It wasn’t my Idea to feed it, I told my mom that it wasnt’ reccomended to feed them that sooon but she was like "he needs to eat" so we got a fuzzy.....if you knew how much I had wanted one you would of held it too.....I am sorry I am so dumb and dont knwo how to care for snakes....I have had one for 6 mnths my mom had 2 for 8 years but she gave them away....I am not gonna hurt him...he is perfectly fine...do you think in the wild they dont ever move they stay in one place? and when they move they refuse food so they can get used to there surrounding? I know it isn’t reccomended but I had to he’s fine...I thought people migh be glad I got one... I guess not....3 months of saying I wanted one and all your do ing is yelling at me.....that store wasn’t mistreating them the person that owns it has snakes and they have several snake specialist....I have gotten all of my animals from that pet shop they are going mostly to reptiles now...please inform me if I did anythign else wrong by holding my snake after waiting 3 months to get it....SORRY!  sorry in advanced for typos...im tired....
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09/04/04 9:22pm
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#136392
Roachey56
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 136304
CUPID ATE!!!!
do you think in the wild they live in a 10 gallon aquarium? eat mice? live on newspaper or cypres mulch?you didn’t had to feed him/her. They can go for months, one went 1 year without feeding. Not feeding him/her for another 6 days would have been BETTER. If you got him before he was fed and he looked skinny why did you get him? why would you buy a snake that looked skinny? Also if you have been researching about BP’s for 3 months that is even worse that you are handleing and feeding him/her.
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09/04/04 10:55pm
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#136544
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 136392
CUPID ATE!!!!
I am not gonna handle him anymore. I am sorry I held my snake I have been wanting for 3 months the day and day after I got him. I wont hold him anymore till thurs. I didn’t buy a snake that looked skinny he didn’t look skinny, he is perfectly healthy IT WAS FEEDING DAY AND WE GOT THERE BEFORE THEY FED! then the next day he started looking skinny because he missed feeding day, I am sorry I was so cruel and gave my snake some food wich he ate wonderfully. I am not holding him anymore i can’t help it he is already fed, he is perfectly healthy he wasn’t looking skinny when we bought him he was looking skinny the day after because HE MISSED FEEDING DAY! I have been researching them since I got Mosi (six months) but I didnt start an intereest in wanting one till like 3 months ago. Cupid is perfectly fine, he has a full tummy. He has never rolled into a ball and he is perfectly content. I am sorry I know I didn’t listen to you, It was just so tempting to hold it. and my mom made me feed him. I told her you werent suposed to but she was like well hes hungry and were feeding him. I am sorry I dont mean to sound liek I dont appreciate your help. I am sorry.
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09/05/04 8:17am
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#136734
Scott14
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 136544
CUPID ATE!!!!
cmon roachy u need 2 stop attaking ppl all the time i no u dnt like it wen ppl get sumthing wrong, but u need 2 stop jumping at ppl boababe fed him wot can she do now?? pull it out of the snakes throat??? she cnt change the fact tht its been fed theres nufing she can do,besides she sed tht cupid ate the fuzzy wonderfully.
you have given me information b4 which i was grateful 4!! but i’ve seen posts from u atakin ppl 2 many times, u need 2 chill a bit.
Scott14,
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09/05/04 1:41pm
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#137081
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Scott14 In reference to Message Id: 136734
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He wasn’t really attacking me, Ok let me clear things up. I am sorry I held the snake. It was so tempting I wont hold it till wed. Promise. I fed the snake because my mom dropped me off at the petsohp to get a fuzzy it wasn’t myIdea and I told her your not suposed to. I know you told me not to hold him and I wont until wed. I am sorry I didn’t listen to you. But I think the thign we need to be focusing on isn’t what I have done thats bad. Is that cupid ate fine and is perfectly healthy. I woudl never do anythign to hurnt ANY of my babies. I am sorry I didn’t take your advice abou the holding thing. But some good news: I borrowed someones digi cam and got like 20 pics of the snakes the enclosures etc. I am posting them maybe next weekend. I wanna wait to give it back because I wanna wait till I can get pics of cupid in my hand. (I havent taken those yet because you told me not to hold him) So, Cupid is healthy, he ate fine and I will have pics soon!
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09/05/04 10:24pm
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#137203
Roachey56
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Message To: Scott14 In reference to Message Id: 136734
CUPID ATE!!!!
how was i attacking her (or anyone else)? i was asking why she would do that, telling her (and anyone else who reads this) that it is bad to handle or feed the snake within 1 week of recieving it. I don’t attack people, i merely give them the truth (that they sometimes don’t wanna hear). If someone feels a little sad from what i say, so 1 snake doesn’t have to be handled within a week of arriving so be it. I (and EVERY OTHER herpetoculturist) want what is best for the indidvidual snake and every other snake, lizard, turtle, or amphibian. The health of the snake (or any other herp) needs to be put FIRST over the wants of the keeper. If a keeper wants to do something that has a potential to cause harm to the herp, then they better not do it as it is their responsibility to not do that.
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09/05/04 11:37pm
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#137211
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 137203
CUPID ATE!!!!
Did you read what I said? I said "He wasn’t really atacking me" and I appologized for doing that and i am not holding it till wed. and I have already fed it and I cant really do anything abotu that but atleast it ate well. I am sorry. I think you need to read my post again.
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09/05/04 11:42pm
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#137243
Roachey56
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 137211
CUPID ATE!!!!
yes i did read what you said. I know i wasn’t attacking you, i know you already held it and fed it. Nothing i can do about that, i was just telling him some facts.
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09/06/04 12:09am
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#137637
Scott14
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 137243
CUPID ATE!!!!
Look roachy im not getting in2 a arguement with u, i no u care for the animals and dnt want ne harm brought 2 them, but boabae sed she already new she wasnt ment 2 handle the snake so y go on at her saying tht she shudnt. I’ve seen u moaning at others thts y i sed wot i sed.(boabae i’ve read u post and im willing 2 forget this lil dispute, i just wanted roachy 2 no, not 2 always moan wen ppl no sumfing they’ve dun is wrong tht he doesnt have 2 keep telling them tht they dun wrong)ok so mayb roachy u wernt attaking her but u jus need 2 tell her without it soundin like u were ’attakin her.
Scott14, 
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09/06/04 3:32pm
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#137653
Roachey56
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Message To: Scott14 In reference to Message Id: 137637
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If i don’t post about how she shouldn’t do that, then OTHER PEOPLE will not LEARN.
Sometimes the sacrifice of one is needed for the prosperity of others.
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09/06/04 4:21pm
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#137685
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 137653
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I said i was sorry. I dont care if he critisizes me. As long as my snakes are healthy and in good shape, thats all that really matters now. Isn’t it?
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09/06/04 5:24pm
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#138242
Scott14
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 137685
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Jeese! roachy wots with the BIg words. im not stupid i hust dnt get y u were repeating wot boababe already sed?
(boababe i no ur sorri dnt worri bout it i was jus trying roachy wot i frt)
scott14,
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09/07/04 4:31pm
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#138259
Roachey56
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Message To: Scott14 In reference to Message Id: 138242
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"If i don’t post about how she shouldn’t do that, then OTHER PEOPLE will not LEARN. Sometimes the sacrifice of one is needed for the prosperity of others."
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09/07/04 5:10pm
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#138906
Scott14
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 138259
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wot r u saying? OTHER ppl will not learn? is tht wot ur telling me?
ok sorri so mayb i over reacted but im sure if boababe already sed tht iut was wrong then surely u dnt need 2 say it agen..
roachy i dnt want 2 fall out with u cause u usually help me when i have a q. ok?
im gunner frgt bout this i argument hope tht u r 2
scott14,
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09/08/04 6:09pm
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#138918
Roachey56
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Message To: Scott14 In reference to Message Id: 138906
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Scott14 (and to others who have gotten in an "argument" with me),No matter what i will ALWAYS try to help you. I do not carry grudges and i am here to help, everyone. I will help you to the best of my ability.
also what i meant about "other people won’t learn". If people hear about someone who handled/fed their BP within 7 days, then they will think it is Okay to. No matter what that person goes on to latter say. I was not attacking boababe, i was merely doing that so other people would know that it is bad and the repercussions might be severe.
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09/08/04 6:23pm
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#144388
Makaveli
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 138918
CUPID ATE!!!!
well theres nothing wrong with holding your snake u dont have to wait 6 days if she is striking at you and doesnt want to be picked up let her get use to her home but if she is ok with then go ahead just dont be with her for hours and have her sumwhere she can see plp so she gets use to them and well now u kno she cn eat gracefully on her own i dont see wats the big deal geeez?
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09/18/04 12:36am
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#145097
Pelota
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Message To: Makaveli In reference to Message Id: 144388
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Rather dead subject bud. The last post was 10 days ago.Anyway, I don’t see a problem with what she did really. Only thing that bothered me was she fed live. I know there was no f/t, but you could have atleast killed the mouse first. Even if you can’t, I’m sure your mom could have, since she’s owned snakes before and should be used to the death of rodents. Now you’ve fed him live, so you’ll probably have a harder time feeding him f/t later. But what’s done is done, right? :) Anyway, my main point of replying was to mention that the whole "dont handle or feed for the first week" is just a suggestion/general rule. It’s up to the snake keeper as to how they want to approach the start of bonding with their snake. I myself observed my snake for the first 2 days of having her, and decided she seemed really at ease and content, so I handled her after only 2 days of getting her. I had her out for 20 minutes, and she was fine. Then the next day, it was friday, and her previous owner(the excellent breeder) fed on fridays, so I wanted to keep to that schedule. I fed her only 3 days after getting her. It was a f/t adult mouse. And she took it like it owed her money. I then waited till Monday to handle her again. Since then, I’ve been handling her regularly for an hour a day, monday to thursday. Then friday I hold her for 3 minutes while the thawed mouse is warming under the heat lamp, then I feed her. And everytime she takes it fine. So that sorta prooves that you can go against "the rules" and still be fine. Of course, my snake was a captive bred snake that came from a good blood line and was bred by a good local breeder, so maybe she was already well on her way with human interactions. But still, the rules aren’t written in stone. It’s up to the snake keeper to choose how to handle things. Personally, I’m against the 10 gallon tank(seems it’d be cramped..my 20 gal is cramped with my little 3 month old bp), and the live feeding thing just kills me. But some keepers do that, and that’s their choice.
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09/19/04 4:14am
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#145106
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Pelota In reference to Message Id: 145097
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I have pet mice, I cant emotionally kill a mouse. And the last feeding was the first time I didn’t cry. I am trying to switch but everytime I go they are out of f/t mice.
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09/19/04 8:16am
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#145110
BoaBabe448
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 145106
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my mom can’t even watch the mouse die. and my snakes liek a foot long........and like got him at 5days old.
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09/19/04 8:22am
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#145679
Dirty Singh
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 145110
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i agree with pelota..... im not going to name names, but... somebody here needs a swift kick in the pants... there are no hard rules when it comes to animals... if youd stop spewing forth all the crap you might have read and started actually learning, your ego wouldnt be so fragile.... im not naming names...... and boababe, here is some advice for your pets or just in general....DONT EVER FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO APOLOGISE FOR ANYTHING..... i got ticked at how many times you said sorry... you dont have to justify yourself... oh and im about to steal cupid.
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09/19/04 11:57pm
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#145728
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Dirty In reference to Message Id: 145679
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Well I said sorry because evidently roachey wanted me to appologize.
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09/20/04 7:54am
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#146270
Pelota
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 145728
CUPID ATE!!!!
BoaBabe, part of owning a snake is realising and dealing with the fact that your snake eats other cute creatures to survive. If you don’t like watching the mouse die, don’t feed live. Kill it yourself. Just put it in a sock, and give it a good whack on a hard surface. That way you don’t see it die, and it doesn’t suffer at all. Another method I like is just taking the mouse, putting it on a surface like a table or something, holding it by the tail, then take a ruler, place it across the mouses neck, push down, look away, and pull the tail 90 degrees straight up. It should break its neck clean. And all you have to do is look away and you see nothing. It’s clean, humane, and safe for your bp. Of course, you don’t have to worry about this if you can find some f/t rodents and get your baby on them.Also, since you mentioned you got your snake when it was only 5 days old, I’ll tell ya something. In the future, never, EVER, buy a baby bp that hasn’t been a proven feeder. That means making sure it’s ate successfully atleast 3 times before you buy it. Most successful breeders won’t sell a snake until it’s eaten atleast 3-5 times. This ensures you’re buying a good feeder and won’t run into problems in the future.
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09/21/04 5:26am
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#146298
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Pelota In reference to Message Id: 146270
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sorry i said 5 days...cus thats a school week...oops should of been 7. he had already eaten and shed. and he eats great now too. I am trying to switch to frozen, but they never seem to have frozen mice, maybe its because so many people have snakes that are small, maybe they never get them in. They always have frozen pinkies and rats. If I can’t get frozen, I am gonna ask if they can prekill the mouse/miice cus we live so close to the petshop. but he’s eaten 3times for me....soo....i think he’s a good eater.
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09/21/04 8:04am
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#146541
Pelota
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 146298
CUPID ATE!!!!
If you want to get him on frozen thawed, and you can handle killing the mice, maybe buy a handful of mice and just whack them and freeze them. Then thaw out, warm up, feed. It’s the same as giving prekilled, but it’ll get him used to the frozen thawed taste, and you used to the thawing and warming practice. 
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09/21/04 5:15pm
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#146759
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Pelota In reference to Message Id: 146541
CUPID ATE!!!!
I dont care about thawing and warming because when Mosi my redtail was small enough for pinkies I fed f/t but they didn’t have frozen mice in stock ever then and now they doo....
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09/21/04 9:31pm
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