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#149336
LGL
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I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!! 
Well, I went to the Colorado Herpetoculture Society’s 8th Annual Rocky Mountain Reptile Breeders’ Show and Sale today and I bought lot’s of Deli-Cups, and a Male Normal, 25% Het. for Piebald Ball Python!!!!! He was VERY inexpensive compared to most normals!!!! I got him in his tank just a little while ago, and he is awesome!!! I’ll try to get pictures soon!LGL
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09/25/04 10:41pm
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#149457
BoaBabe448
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Message To: LGL In reference to Message Id: 149336
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
have fun!
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09/26/04 7:45am
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#149467
LGL
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 149457
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
He is awesome!!! He shed last night, so should I just throw away the shed skin? (The breeder (Randy, (snakemorphs.com) who is VERY knowledgeable) told me he was going to shed really soon, and he was right!) Oh yah! I forgot to write this in the last post, but he’s 17" long, and about 1 month old! He sure is small!!!LGL
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09/26/04 9:06am
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#149490
Roachey56
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Message To: LGL In reference to Message Id: 149467
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
congrats, glad you got a CB one. post pics.
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09/26/04 10:46am
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#149899
B-RIZZO
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 149490
 I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
thats cool i got a ball python on the 19th of september butt when i got mine he was 20 inches long and 1 inch wide so yeah have fun with it ORBIT
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09/27/04 1:39am
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#149915
Pelota
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Message To: B-RIZZO In reference to Message Id: 149899
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
Congrats, hope everything goes well.  As for what to do with the shed skin, I kept my babies first shed..much like a parent would keep a babies hair from it’s first hair cut or its first tooth. But normally, yeah you could just throw them out. Unless you want to keep it as a keepsake, it’s useless. I’m just gonna keep perfect one piece sheds from now on. I don’t want to have a whole bag of shed skins or something, lol. 
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09/27/04 4:15am
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#149939
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Pelota In reference to Message Id: 149915
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
yea i keep mine...
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09/27/04 8:10am
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#149949
LGL
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 149939
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok, thanks everyone! I’ll try to get pictures soon!LGL
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09/27/04 9:42am
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#150850
Scott14
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Message To: LGL In reference to Message Id: 149949
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
u cud also keep it 2 help u remeber its length at tht age or w/e
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09/28/04 5:44pm
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#151866
Pelota
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Message To: Scott14 In reference to Message Id: 150850
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah but it’s hard to get an accurate measurement of a snake by its shed skin. The skin can stretch and be shorter or longer than it really is.
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09/30/04 4:05am
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#152002
Scott14
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Message To: Pelota In reference to Message Id: 151866
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
yea true well it’ll b a rough guide lol
Scott14,
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09/30/04 12:20pm
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#152316
LGL
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Message To: Scott14 In reference to Message Id: 152002
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry about not getting pictures, I’ve been really busy! I actually took some (some of them were when he was eating, the rest are in his cage or in my hands), but I haven’t had a chance to download them onto RepticZone. I’ll try to get them posted soon!!!LGL
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09/30/04 9:32pm
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#153469
LGL
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Message To: LGL In reference to Message Id: 152316
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
I finally got some pictures up! I have some more that I will try to download off of my camera and get onto RepticZone sometime this week, but for now, enjoy these:
Hope you like them!!! LGL
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10/02/04 4:51pm
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#153487
BoaBabe448
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Message To: LGL In reference to Message Id: 153469
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, he is relly cute! He reminds me of cupid!
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10/02/04 5:24pm
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#153578
LGL
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 153487
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, when I was looking at some pictures of Cupid, he remided me of him! Which name do you think would fit him better: Carmal (Car-Mall) or Jungle?LGL
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10/02/04 7:19pm
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#153583
BoaBabe448
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Message To: LGL In reference to Message Id: 153578
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
How about Mogli (like from the jungle book) but Jungle,
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10/02/04 7:23pm
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#153811
Pelota
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 153583
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
Out of those choices, I say Jungle. He’s got a nice irratic random pattern. Looks like a reduced pattern you got there. Nice! Also nice pics. I liked the one overhead pic where you can see the nice irredescent sheen. I really like his long tail pattern though. How it’s all grouped together. Good luck with him.
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10/03/04 1:39am
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#153938
Juma
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Message To: LGL In reference to Message Id: 153469
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
Great pics!
That’s a beatiful snake you have there!
Juma wants to introduce himself to yours.
Here is a pic
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10/03/04 11:45am
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#154033
LGL
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Message To: Juma In reference to Message Id: 153938
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
He thinks your snake looks beautiful too!LGL
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10/03/04 2:44pm
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#154605
Juma
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Message To: LGL In reference to Message Id: 149336
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
CONGRATS!!!!
I got mine when he was quite big. Enjoy watching him grow up.
I save Juma’s shed too. Call me crazy, but it’s no different then when I saved my son’s baby teeth.
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10/04/04 11:59am
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#154612
Lex
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Message To: Juma In reference to Message Id: 154605
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
u realllly shouldnt feed the snake inside its tank.. feed it in a shoe box. take it out, put it in the box & then drop the rodent in. 
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10/04/04 12:10pm
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#154670
Eunectes4
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Message To: Lex In reference to Message Id: 154612
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
I feed all my snakes in the cage. If you are using newspaper then the snake cannot injest the subtrate unless you shaved it. I would feed in the cage...way less of a task and worry about picking them up carefully and run the risk of regurging. If you are worried about it thinking you are going to give food every time you open the cage then open the cage plenty of times without food. I am personally not afraid of a ball python pulling me into a cage and killing me. Plus it has never been a problem for me. Pay attention and you can tell if the snake is ready for food and pick them up from behind...food will not pick them up.
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10/04/04 3:09pm
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#154673
Caroline
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Message To: LGL In reference to Message Id: 153469
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
LGL- he’s a cutie- looks like he’s a good eater, too. They’re so cute when they have a rat tail hanging out of their mouths! Do you know how old he is?
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10/04/04 3:13pm
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#154715
Lex
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Message To: Caroline In reference to Message Id: 154673
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
what ever- thats your thing- i have carpet, digesting what ever isnt the issue. ive been doing what i read through alot of reserch/talking to knowlegable snake keepers/ breeders.
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10/04/04 4:05pm
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#154781
Juma
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Message To: LGL In reference to Message Id: 154033
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks.
I just viewed your profile.... my sister lives in Colorodo too! And I also love Leopard Geckos. I have two females about 7 months old.
Their names are Temple and Peanut.
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10/04/04 5:34pm
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#154806
Caroline
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Message To: Juma In reference to Message Id: 154781
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
Nifty blue eyebrows!
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10/04/04 5:59pm
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#154903
LGL
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Message To: Juma In reference to Message Id: 154781
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
Cool! They look cute!He is one month old (17"). Just wanted to say that it was a Hopper Mouse (It is pretty hard to tell when you can only see the tip of the tail! Lol!). LGL
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10/04/04 7:36pm
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#155209
Eunectes4
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Message To: LGL In reference to Message Id: 154903
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL Lex...are you suggesting something? This isn’t a debate or a battle. I am telling the person it will be alright to feed in the cage and I gave my reasons...feel free to tell them WHY they should not.
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10/05/04 2:38am
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#155216
Pelota
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Message To: Eunectes4 In reference to Message Id: 155209
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
lol, Yeah. Feeding inside the cage is fine. IMO the only reason to feed outside of the cage is if you have loose substrate like bark and stuff, or if your enclosure is crowded and there isn’t enough room to chow down. The whole "they’ll think everytime I go in the cage it’s feeding time and bite me" thing is false. It doesn’t make sense why a snake would do that, if you go in the cage for other stuff other than feeding. I only feed once a week. But I have my hands in the tank everyday to change the water, spot clean, and check on/handle her a bit. So why would a snake think everytime you go in the cage, its feeding time...when you only feed them once a week, and the rest is maintenance? 
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10/05/04 3:31am
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#155239
BoaBabe448
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Message To: Pelota In reference to Message Id: 155216
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
I know, he only reason they would mistake you for food is if they were hungry, and you just held a rodent.
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10/05/04 7:08am
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#155544
Eunectes4
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Message To: BoaBabe448 In reference to Message Id: 155239
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
not to mention...you will know if the snake is ready to bite you...most animals dont in the wild because the ball python is hidden...YOU will see it. AND who cares? Its a little ball python. So aside from this dumb reason and substarte injestion...WHY not? I gave my reasons for WHY yes...less stress on the snake being picked up after a meal and less pain for you. So please enlighten me with an explaination on why not given what we have just mentioned. This is not just to lex...it is to all who still feel the need to listen to a pet store myth and follow blindly. Maybe some people in here know some educated people who say this is good...tell me why. I know many many educated people who say this is more bad than good with a ball python especially under no chance of substrate injestion(and many other snakes for that matter). Who is correct? I dont know because I have no reasons to support the other side. Sorry to sound like this but I think many of you can follow what I am saying here. Thank you.
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10/05/04 5:09pm
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#155555
Caroline
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Message To: Eunectes4 In reference to Message Id: 155544
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
I understand what you’re saying, and I have no answer, just what I was taught as a zookeeper and what I learned from personal experience. I don’t know of any valid technical reason that it’s not okay to feed in the tank. My baby milksnake won’t eat in the tank, she doesn’t feel safe- I feed her in a small critter keeper. Maybe when she’s older she’ll eat in the tank??? Who knows???? But you’re right- some people do and some people don’t and both sides believe they’re right. Kind of like Republicans & Democrats. 
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10/05/04 5:17pm
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#155640
Eunectes4
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Message To: Caroline In reference to Message Id: 155555
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
security is a separate issue. Feed with the lights off and i doubt there would be a problem. Some also like even more security in bags but I have never had to do this...that is different than do not feed in the tank. If you feed in the tank that would assume a feeding means the snake ate. With a problem feeder you need to go about solutions..scenting, bagging, teasing, braining, etc. But I know what you are saying and I know many people pass on things and some seem more like traditions. If we kept everything then green tree pythons would still have the name chondro (we use it but it is no longer their latin name). Garter snakes would be non-venomous. We would think Eunectes deschauenseii is a hybrid green x yellow. Hot rocks would be recomended. Point is...we learn new things and we adjust. We also should evaluate the reasons for doing what we do. I am ultimately all about the best for the snake and to me that includes as substate that is sanitary and easy to replace and cannot be injested. This also includes a minimal stress feeding which is dead food that has no chance of biting the snake and fed in a place I do not need to disturb the snake when it is most vulnerable. Throw in dead mouse or rat, make sure the snake takes and turn off all lights and leave the room. This is very difficult to argue. I am not saying my way is the only way but to my knowledge I see no was to improve this.
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10/05/04 7:46pm
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#160438
LGL
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Message To: Eunectes4 In reference to Message Id: 155640
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
I decided to name him Carmel. He ate another live Hopper Mouse on Sunday.I will try to get the pictures up soon!LGL
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10/12/04 10:53pm
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#163752
Lizzy115
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Message To: LGL In reference to Message Id: 160438
 I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
i hope you enjoy him I am trying to convince myself to get a ball python idon’t know lots about it and i’m trying to get the courage they are beautiful creatures. any suggestions email me.
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10/17/04 1:26pm
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#164426
Zenn
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Message To: Lizzy115 In reference to Message Id: 163752
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, you got a het for piebald as your first snake!!! Do you mind me asking how much it was? Also are you ganna breed from it?
Please write back soon,
Jonny.
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10/18/04 9:08am
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#164462
Juma
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Message To: LGL In reference to Message Id: 149336
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
Congrats on your new snake. Hope you get PICS soon.
I bet he’s real cute.
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10/18/04 10:18am
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#164713
Eunectes4
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Message To: Juma In reference to Message Id: 164462
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
25% het. means that 1 in 4 are het for pied. Since they all look the same you have a 25% chance of each being pied. Since nobody is going to breed all the normal males with a chance to a 100% het or a female pied those snakes are cheap because breeding those males to a female without being a for sure thing would be like a waste.
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10/18/04 4:05pm
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#166231
U1sickboy
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Message To: Eunectes4 In reference to Message Id: 164713
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
I Have been breeding snakes and a few other reptiles for many years with great success.. I have to agree with lex on this on, you should not feed your snakes in there cage I don,t care what kind of snake it is. If you have a hot that’s one thing, but just because you can feed your snake in its cage and the snake doesn’t get aggressive with you doesn’t mean its the right thing to do, and may not work for others. I always suggest you feed in a separate enclosure and so do many top breeders. 
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10/20/04 2:48am
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#166240
Pelota
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Message To: U1sickboy In reference to Message Id: 166231
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
What are the main reasons to feed in another enclosure though? Just because breeders do it, doesn’t mean I should. Like I said, unless you have a particularly crowded cage, or loose substrate, feeding in the cage is fine. I’ve yet to hear, read, or experience any reason to change my mind on the subject.
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10/20/04 3:06am
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#166242
U1sickboy
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Message To: U1sickboy In reference to Message Id: 166231
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
Eunectes4 I’m not going to get into traits and genetics but if he bought a 25% het then that’s what it is, if he bought a 25% poss. het then there’s a chance his does not carry the gene. If he were to breed that to a het and then breed his 25% het back to one of those babies and continue doing this he would eventually get a pied. If you take a male and a female both 100% het for pied, and there were 4 eggs produced in theory 1 of the young should be pied the rest will appear normal but will be 100% for pied. Visit Peterkahlreptiles.com there is an excellent chart that will show you how this works!!
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10/20/04 3:11am
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#166244
U1sickboy
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Message To: U1sickboy In reference to Message Id: 166242
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
Your going to feed how you want to, I’m not going to change your mind but this is done so that every time you open the tank and stick your hand in there, your hand is not associated with dinner!! How old is your snake and how long have you been feeding him in his cage. I have a corn snake that was given to me, he was also always fed in his tank. Every time I open the top he goes nuts, shakes his tail and strikes at you when you put your hand in there. Once you get him out hes fine!!
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10/20/04 3:22am
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#166680
LGL
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Message To: Zenn In reference to Message Id: 164426
I got my first snake: A Ball Python!!!!!!!!!!!
He was $40.00. I won’t be breeding him for years, if at all.LGL
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10/20/04 6:03pm
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#166730
Roachey56
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Message To: U1sickboy In reference to Message Id: 166242
Actually..........
a 25% het means that there is a 25% chance that it is a het for a certain trait. Statistically a 25% het will have a 1 in 4 chance (1:3 odds) of being a het. If he were to breed a 25% het to a het (1/4 chance, 1/1 chance) 1 in every 4 of those babies would be a het (over millions of trials) it could also mean that none of those would be a het. If you bred a het to a het statistically you will get 1 pied, 2 hets, and 1 normal for ever 4 neonates. But because you cannot tell the difference (visually) between a het pied and a normal they are sold as 66% possible hets (2/3 chance of being a het). To get 100% hets you need to breed something that is homozygous for that trait and breed it to a normal (a NON het) then every animal produced will be hets. You can also breed a homozygous to a heterozygous and get a 50/50 chance of getting homozygous and heterozygous.
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10/20/04 7:29pm
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