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 #1720266


Snickers1714
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 MITES!!

I found little black bug on my snake today (I am assuming they are mites) I have that stuff to spray on him to kill them. What else do I do? Should I treat his whole enclosure with it?
04/29/08  04:30pm

 #1720297


Marg
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   Message To: Snickers1714   In reference to Message Id: 1720266


 MITES!!

Here is a quote from a post I replied to in another forum...

Quote:

Remove the snake from the enclosure...
Thoroughly Clean and Disinfect Everything!

Get Fresh new Substrate...
*if the Mites are Really bad, use news paper or paper towels, till the Mites are Gone.

You Need order Provent -A-Mite,
it will take a few days to arive
(depending on shipping method paid for).
Feed the snake(s) as scheduled,
if you get refusal,
try next scheduled feed day (the following week).

When you get the PAM, follow directions, to the "T"!
Remove all animals from that room,
cover fish tanks and turn off pumps (if you have fish)
until All fumes are gone, and substrate is dry.
(if you use news paper, you spray the paper just as you would any other substrate)


I waited 45 minutes, to be on the safe side.

...the can says... "kills up to 2 weeks - spray once a month."

Follow the Directions!

Can be toxic to All animals if used improperly!

If there is/was One mite there will be plenty More!!!
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              DO NOT SPRAY THE SNAKE!!!
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Works like if you were spraying your House for bugs.
You don’t re-enter the home till fumes are gone, etc.


Soap May kill the outter Mites (some do a short soak with One Drop of Mild dish soap),
but you have to treat the Substrate, and Enclosure to irradicate All of them.

Took 9-11 days to work for me... just be Sure to remove all animals from the room,
till all fumes are Gone.
If you have fish, or birds... or other animals
Cover the aquarium with plastic, or saran wrap, and turn Off Pumps...
Remove all pets from the room being sprayed, untill All Fumes are Gone!

Highly toxic to all animals!


If you have any questions regarding use, once you have recieved it, just ask.
If you are not sure how to use it, ask First :o)

P-A-M really Does work...
I brought home Mites with my first BP (from a pet shop).
I ordered PAM, after talking with these great folks here...
I treated the second BP’s tank when I got Her, Before putting her in, and quarantining...
I have not had any mite signs as of yet...
This Is a good investment...
and One can goes a Really Long way :o)

Here is a pic of a mite:


On the snake, or crawling on you after handling,
if you find an adult mite, it kinda looks like the top of a pin,
black, smaller or bigger than a pin head.

P-A-M (Provent A Mite) is the only thing that is designed for reptiles and is effective on all the stages of development of the Mites.
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It can be purchased on line from Link for $19.95 + shipping.
or here Link for $17.95 + shipping
Most local pet stores do not carry it!
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I bought a BP from a pet store... 3 weeks later she started soaking...
Thought it was "cute" swimming and such... till I found out Why she was soaking! They soak to give themselves relief!
Mite Eggs take up to 30 days to hatch... and on the 30th day after I brought her home...
Guess What?     Yep Mites!!
I ordered P-A-M (Prevent A Mite) on line at www.entirelypets.com .
Used Properly it will kill all the Mites.

Mites in an infestation can Kill your BP!!!

Clean Everything and replace the substrate!

Be sure to take out the water bowl
(Wash but Do Not spray the water bowl)

I removed and add fresh Aspen every week or so, and Still had the Mites!
Until I used P-A-M!



Here is a Link to a web-site on The Life History of Snake Mites.

Here also are a few links a to Mite Posts,
with a lil more info... some have disputed
and state that you can get "other methods/products to use"
But P-A-M is the only thing Proven to irradicate Mites!
Link      Link      Link      Link



04/29/08  04:56pm

 #1720334


Greg9087
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   Message To: Snickers1714   In reference to Message Id: 1720266


 MITES!!

BOIL EVERYTHIN IN HIS TANK EVRYTHING
04/29/08  05:22pm

 #1720372


GA_Ball_Pythons
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   Message To: Greg9087   In reference to Message Id: 1720334


 MITES!!

Quote:

BOIL EVERYTHIN IN HIS TANK EVRYTHING

And? It won’t solve the problem, how will you get rid of the mites and eggs on the snake itself? Boiling everything in the enclosure is not gonna make the problem disappear, re-infestation will occur.

As Marg stated there is only one truly efficient product DESIGNED for it’s use with reptiles and it is PAM (Provent A Mite).

Other products found in pet stores will only eliminate the adult stage in most cases, PAM will treat all stages of development and eradicate mites quickly.

Here is where to buy it. Link
04/29/08  05:40pm

 #1720382


Snickers1714
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   Message To: GA_Ball_Pythons   In reference to Message Id: 1720372


 MITES!!

ok when I put him back should I put paper towels or newpaper in his tank? and how many layers?
04/29/08  05:52pm

 #1720396


GA_Ball_Pythons
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   Message To: Snickers1714   In reference to Message Id: 1720382


 MITES!!

White paper towel will allow you to monitor your snakes for mites in the next several weeks so it is a good idea it does not have to be a thick layer.
04/29/08  06:01pm

 #1720458


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   Message To: GA_Ball_Pythons   In reference to Message Id: 1720396


 MITES!!

Do you have Frontline in the US? It does the job big time. Our Herp vet gave me some to apply once a week for three weeks. If you have it, then its for use it on the snake and treat it’s enclosure too. In the event that mites get on your snake after treatment they will be killed off too. Excellent for Boas and Pythons. Never use without guidance though as with any product.
04/29/08  06:35pm

 #1720472


Snickers1714
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   Message To: Bazzer   In reference to Message Id: 1720458


 MITES!!

frontline for dogs or is it specifically for snakes? I have some of it but its for dogs.
04/29/08  06:45pm

 #1720491


GA_Ball_Pythons
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   Message To: Snickers1714   In reference to Message Id: 1720472


 MITES!!

Frontline long term effects on snakes is not know as the product it is not design for such usage, yes it works however unless you know what you are doing and/or have no other choice I would not recommend using it as it could result in severe neurological damages.

Get PAM it is specifically designed for reptiles and just follow the direction!
04/29/08  06:59pm

 #1721213


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   Message To: GA_Ball_Pythons   In reference to Message Id: 1720491


 MITES!!

If you have access to other decent stuff then I would do as GA says if you’re gonna do the treatment yourself, but it is becoming more common over here in the UK and no one that I have known with BP’s or Boas has had a problem using it. When I had a minor problem with them a few months back, I left the treating to the vet. He used it very sparingly. The only problems he is aware of using frontline is if you treat colubrids with it.

Fortunately for me, i was in a position with upgrading viv’s, so could just simply throw my old stuff out. Best way of dealing with mites, is to avoid them like the plague. I made the mistake of handling a boa I went to view as a potential buy, which had mites, then travelled some 40 miles home and didn’t scrub up before tending to my own. Never again will I do that. If I ever go anywhere near other reptiles, it’s a full change of clean clothes after a shower. Also, check your substrate when buying new stuff (obviously depending on what you use). There was a batch of Aspen floating around in a neighbouring county of ours, riddled with the things.
04/30/08  03:00pm

 #1721551


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   Message To: Bazzer   In reference to Message Id: 1721213


 MITES!!

I just changed substrate and I checked the bag after I read your post and there are mites in the substrate. I don’t know how I didn’t notice them!! I feel soo bad. The mites are visible on him. Is that normal or does this mean that there is like an ungodly amount on him? PAM is going to take a week to get here and I got some stuff called Reptile Relief at the local pet store. The lady said to use that until it gets there. There are alot of dead mites on the paper towels. I was just wondering how many mites is like and all out infestation? How many does it take to kill him? IS this a really bad case?
04/30/08  08:54pm

 #1721555


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   Message To: Snickers1714   In reference to Message Id: 1721551


 MITES!!

by the way... he keeps rubbing his face on the walls. What does this mean? he just sticks his head out of his hide and rubs his face for a while then goes back in.
04/30/08  08:57pm

 #1721925


Marg
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   Message To: Snickers1714   In reference to Message Id: 1721555


 MITES!!

He’s rubbing his face because he doesn’t have hands to scratch his nose...

Sounds like you have a nice Mite collection!

Ummm.. I’m not too keen on the Reptile relief stuff...
seems to be a waist of money, from what I have read...

It may kill Outer mites, but will Not kill the Eggs....
but if you already Have it, I guess you could try using it...
may work to help relieve the snake... may not.



What I did was... per advice of another member here
(sorry, don’t remember who).

*Only do this One Time!

Get a small tupperware container, with vent holes in top

Fill it halfway with Luke Warm water (or enough to cover snake Half way)

Put ONE DROP of MILD dish soap (after filling with water, so as Not to make Suds)

Place snake in container, let soak for 15-20 mins

* * * Please Watch the snake in container, so you don’t Forget it’s n there,
    or that it gets Knocked Over for some odd reason!!!

Put the snake back in the enclosure, on Paper Towels...
and hope the shipping does not take too long.


No Handling during this time... the stress of the mites is enough
for the poor thing, to have handling added to it.


You Can still offer prey to it, but don’t be discouraged if it refuses.

I went absolutely Crazy till I got P-A-M.

Be patient, and don’t stress Yourself out :o)
05/01/08  07:29am

 #1722040


Snickers1714
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   Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1721925


 MITES!!

ok I will do that today I am cleaning his hides and stuff every 3 days and trying to keep everything really clean. Is this alright?
05/01/08  10:31am

 #1722079


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   Message To: Snickers1714   In reference to Message Id: 1722040


 MITES!!

Frontline SPRAY(not the concentrated drops) is fine to use. It causes no side effects, just don’t let them breathe it in or get it in their eyes/nostrils. It lasts a good 30-days and you can use it to pretreat the bedding before you use it. I’ve asked Merial, the makers of Frontline, and they say its fine to use, just off-label, so they can’t "say it’s ok" per se.
05/01/08  11:18am

 #1722124


Snickers1714
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   Message To: SatanicIntention   In reference to Message Id: 1722079


 MITES!!

OK I have another question. PAM is only used on the enclosure right? So what kills the mites on him? Will they just die eventually? Is that what the soaking is supposed to do? But I am only supposed to do that once, correct? So do I do anything else with him after the cage in treated?
05/01/08  12:11pm

 #1722152


GA_Ball_Pythons
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   Message To: Snickers1714   In reference to Message Id: 1722124


 MITES!!

By placing your BP in the enclosure it will eradicates the mites on him as well!

Depending on the infestation you can do another treatment 2 weeks after the first one, it is rarely necessary though!

You follow the instructions remove the snake, and the water dish, spray the enclosure, let it dry and put your BP back in the enclosure.

I would also recommend changing the substrate to paper towel also to help you monitor your snake during the next few weeks.
05/01/08  12:43pm

 #1722174


Snickers1714
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   Message To: GA_Ball_Pythons   In reference to Message Id: 1722152


 MITES!!

okay... Thanks you guys so much for helping me with this!



05/01/08  01:24pm

 #1722187


Snickers1714
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   Message To: GA_Ball_Pythons   In reference to Message Id: 1722152


 MITES!!

Do mites make them drool?
05/01/08  01:41pm

 #1722192


GA_Ball_Pythons
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   Message To: Snickers1714   In reference to Message Id: 1722187


 MITES!!

NO

Snake don’t drool!

If your snake has shown signs of discharge I would highly recommend you to take it to a vet NOW!
05/01/08  01:44pm

 #1722195


Snickers1714
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   Message To: GA_Ball_Pythons   In reference to Message Id: 1722192


 MITES!!

I already took him to the vet and its being treated but I was wondering if that did have anything to do with the mites but I guess not.
05/01/08  01:46pm

 #1722201


GA_Ball_Pythons
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   Message To: Snickers1714   In reference to Message Id: 1722195


 MITES!!

If your BP has a RI it can have been caused by low temps, cross contamination, mites (as they are a vector for transmission for various diseases)

However if BP has mites he does not mean that he will drool!
05/01/08  01:54pm

 #1722250


Snickers1714
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   Message To: GA_Ball_Pythons   In reference to Message Id: 1722201


 MITES!!

Yeah when I got him he was in a tank with two other BPs they had no hides just a water bowl. I am assuming this was the source of all his problems.
05/01/08  02:49pm

 #1722252


Snickers1714
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   Message To: Snickers1714   In reference to Message Id: 1722250


 MITES!!

PLUS she kept their temps at 75, with no cool or hot spots. And she did not have anything to measure humidity
05/01/08  02:51pm

 #1722268


GA_Ball_Pythons
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   Message To: Snickers1714   In reference to Message Id: 1722252


 MITES!!

Combination of stress, low temps and weaken immune system due to mites is definitely a good way to end up with a RI.
05/01/08  03:06pm

 #1723238


Bazzer
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   Message To: GA_Ball_Pythons   In reference to Message Id: 1722268


 MITES!!

if you snake has been exposed to mites for a while, he/she may have been soaking in cool water a lot. He will most likely choose comfort over thermoregulating. If a snake is exposed to mites for a long time and has been soaking a lot, he/ she could be a target for RIs because of over exposure to cold water. RI’s and them can go hand in hand.
05/02/08  02:40pm


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