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 #1727350


Midoripickle
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 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

Okay. Since I’ve heard alot about putting the thermometer on the floor of the tank to measure the heat at the bottom I checked to see what the floor teperatures really were compaired to what it says while on the wall. There was about a 5 degree difference.

So would it make sense to you all if I left the thermometer on the wall, then just add 5 degrees to what that says there for an estimate on what the floor temperature is. I know it’s not completely accurate, but for an estimate? Or do you think that its not accurate enough to be safe. Becuase you can’t just leave the thermometer on the floor.

Or am I making too big a deal of this?



05/06/08  07:12pm

 #1727353


Rabernet
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   Message To: Midoripickle   In reference to Message Id: 1727350


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

What type of thermometer are you using?



05/06/08  07:14pm

 #1727357


Midoripickle
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   Message To: Rabernet   In reference to Message Id: 1727353


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

Digital.. I have two digitals... one for each size untill I can get one of those better qaulity ones with the probe.
05/06/08  07:17pm

 #1727359


Midoripickle
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   Message To: Midoripickle   In reference to Message Id: 1727357


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

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05/06/08  07:18pm

 #1727366


Rabernet
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   Message To: Midoripickle   In reference to Message Id: 1727359


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

I would just mount it as close to ground level on the glass as you can (I use velcro).



05/06/08  07:26pm

 #1727369


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   Message To: Rabernet   In reference to Message Id: 1727366


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

Also - you can get a digital aquarium thermometer at Petsmart for $9 that has a probe and a suction cup to mount on the glass. I’m using them for my incubation boxes. Just check the fish section rather than the reptile section.



05/06/08  07:27pm

 #1727372


Midoripickle
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   Message To: Rabernet   In reference to Message Id: 1727366


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

okays then.... thanks. Yeah one’s a velco, the other has a probe that goes down into the tank and it gives you the reading on a thing on the outside.

I think I’m just worring about it too much. But thanks for the advice. I had them pretty low but I’ll put them even lower...



05/06/08  07:28pm

 #1727512


Midoripickle
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   Message To: Midoripickle   In reference to Message Id: 1727372


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

Well I got the two heatting pads on and they are jsut about the perfect temperature... but I put the thermometer’s as low to the floor as I can and I only get readings of 75and78. I know the bottom is right... but shouldn’t the air of the tank be warmer too? Just doesn’t seem right to me. He went out to bask on his vine, but it’s only warmering on the bottom. Is that gonna cause problem’s too now ><
05/06/08  08:56pm

 #1727524


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   Message To: Midoripickle   In reference to Message Id: 1727512


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

GAHHH I just don’t know what to do anymore. I thought this was going to fix my humidity problem but now it’s just making EVERYTHING worse.

I think I should goe back to the lamp, but then I still have my humidity problem.
05/06/08  09:03pm

 #1727530


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   Message To: Midoripickle   In reference to Message Id: 1727524


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

I have a uth on the hot side and a red 100 watt on the cool. The temps are always perfect. For the humidity issues I put foil then duct tape on the screen only leaving a little square section open. I spray twice a week and his humidity is perfect too. Try that. Just remember to foil around the lamp so nothings open. Reptibark substrate helps too.



05/06/08  09:08pm

 #1727539


Midoripickle
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   Message To: Vwvixen02   In reference to Message Id: 1727530


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

Foil around the lamp? And it won’t burn?

I had the under heater and a 100watt too and yeah, everything was perfect. I tried a piece of foil over half of it but it turned out worse than that piece of glass. But I’ll try wrapping it around.

Thanks so much! I just feel like the more I try to fix things the worse they get and I don’t want to loose anymore sleep over this. I’ve just been so worried.
05/06/08  09:12pm

 #1727548


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   Message To: Midoripickle   In reference to Message Id: 1727539


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

Now my mom is getting too paranoid that it’s just going to make the lamp itself over heat and then start a fire...
05/06/08  09:16pm

 #1727842


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   Message To: Vwvixen02   In reference to Message Id: 1727530


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

Y’all are confuzing me...

Quote:

I put foil then duct tape on the screen only leaving a little square section open

Assumimg you mean...
"Foil the screen Top Around the Base of the Lamp" ...and not ON the Lamp or bulb.

Quote:

Foil around the lamp? And it won’t burn?
getting too paranoid that it’s just going to make the lamp itself over heat
and then start a fire

If you are wrapping the Lamp and or Bulb... Yes this Will cause a fire!

Hopefully you do Not have that lamp/bulb IN the enclosure!!!

This is an Absolute No No!

Pics of enclosure(s) would Help!
05/07/08  07:24am

 #1727946


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   Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1727842


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

Guys.. Foil can go in the OVEN at 400 degrees and not burn(also, it’s FOIL, made from aluminum, which is what some car engine blocks are made from, they surely don’t burn at their hundreds of degrees).. Why would you think a 90-someodd degree lamp would cause it to ignite and somehow cause a fire?? That’s just beyond me.. Common sense!

To the OP, get a digital thermometer with a PROBE so you’re not measuring the air temps. If you’re using 2 undertank heaters and still are only getting readings of 75-78, then there is something wrong.
05/07/08  10:22am

 #1727959


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   Message To: SatanicIntention   In reference to Message Id: 1727946


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

Hahaha this is confusing! The bulb is in a metal lamp and i put the foil around the lamp part. You can use foil on the grill and in the even which gets to 500+ degrees I dont think my 100 watt is going to start any combustion fires. Let me see if I have a pic...also duct tape can be used on top of the foil...it doesnt get hot the foil keeps the heat in.




Thats what mine looks like on top.



05/07/08  10:39am

 #1728495


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   Message To: Vwvixen02   In reference to Message Id: 1727959


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

Hello... I was having the same problem with humity, so I wet a face cloth and placed it over the screen top under another dry towel and this totally balanced out my temps. and humity, I just have to resoak the cloth once a day.... Also UTH sometimes take a day or two to totally heat up... Just a thought...
05/07/08  07:14pm

 #1728507


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   Message To: Jerome1979   In reference to Message Id: 1728495


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

P.S... I also use a 100w infrared bulb on one side with half the bottom of my tank covered with an UTH (same side as the bulb side)...
05/07/08  07:29pm

 #1728508


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   Message To: Jerome1979   In reference to Message Id: 1728495


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

Oh.. and yes Marg. I’m not that stupid to put the foil right on the bulb. And no.. the lamp is resting on the top of the screen. So I tried the foil. And it’s helping... but just slightly. But it’s also raising the temps on my tank a bit. Not too high. The low is about 85-86... and the other side is about 92-93. But then again today is the first day I’ve seen him soaking in the dish. I don’t know if that means if it’s getting too uncomfortable for him... or if it should be that way.

Alot of people say they see thier snake move back and forth from one side to the other. This is the first time he’s been on the cool side in his new hide. Do you think I’m worring too much, and this is the way it’s supposed to be. Then again... maybe he’s tring to get the moiture

I think I’m jsut being too worried again >< but I don’t know...
05/07/08  07:29pm

 #1728871


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   Message To: Midoripickle   In reference to Message Id: 1728508


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

Sounded like your temps were in range... and then you went back to a bulb?

Personally prefer to used sealed enclosures, without heat lamps, as they suck out the humidity. 2 UTHs is sufficient. Your snake is a ground dweller and absorb heat throush his belly. Oftne having the two uths is enough to raise the ambient temp on the cool side to 80-84.

A nice size water dish can bump your humidity, not big enough for him to soak in. But if he is soaking... they that may be a sign to check your temps. Another reason Iprefer flat topped hides... if he gets too hot he can get atop his hide to regulater his temps.

A few humidty tips.. a few extra dishes in the enclosure with either moist paper towel in them, or sphagnum moss. Switching to a humitidy holding substrate such as aspen or cypress.

I always used moist paper towel myself, that way i can see if he/she soils it.

I will try and bump up the "setting up your BP 2" thread for you, read through it, find some options and then feel free to ask again.

Bruce





05/07/08  11:46pm

 #1728883


Midoripickle
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   Message To: LoftLizard   In reference to Message Id: 1728871


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

Thanks again bruce. And yeah I went back. The temps just kept going up too much for my comfort. And yeah, he was soaking for a while. To me that just seemed like a red flag. I’m sure I’ll find another way, or maybe when I have more time to fiddle around I can try the under pads again. It was just getting so late and I didn’t want him getting too cold over night so...

I think I might beable to do something if I can get more glass for the top... and yes I have a cup of moss in there.
05/07/08  11:57pm

 #1728898


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   Message To: Midoripickle   In reference to Message Id: 1728883


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)

Actully. if You can get hold of it... go with a sheet of acrylic... it will hold the heat in and is an insulator. Glass releases heat to the outside environment."

If you ever decide to move to a plastic tub... there is lots of info on how to set them up. Nicething about them... no lamps, work with your uths, and they hold humidity like a dream.

Sometimes getting your husbandry on track is the priority, then if you want to go back to a tank then yu have a bit more experience with what works to help him thrive.

Bruce

PS: Chloroplast works as well... plastic and insulated.

Btw.. my haute male... is my loftlizard at the Haute place... anytime you need apointer. I am there.

A few pics of my enclosures past and present to demonstrate the transistions I have made as a keeper based on the needs of my snakes.


This snake is now 990g. In the same enclosure and is threateing to go back on feed for me. Any day now. :)


This sweet boy has since passed away, he had cancer, but never moved out of this enclosure.

Again, another boy that is still in this enclosure and if a whopping 1600g

All 3 of thse boys were born within a few monts of each other and all came in at around the same wiegts.

Bruce
05/08/08  12:15am

 #1728900


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   Message To: LoftLizard   In reference to Message Id: 1728898


 Does this make sense to you? (heat&temp)



One last pic... it looks small, but htis is my yellowbelly male Rashid... he is still in a shoebok and ais thriving. I will move him up soon.

But he feeds, sheds, and voids with consistentcy.

Bruce
05/08/08  12:22am


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