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 #1871792


LoftLizard
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 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

Its been fun, seriously, I have always liked this site.

But it is time to head out. I may do the odd pic and update post, but I will no longer do any advice threads nor check regularly.

Lately it has gotten so ridiculous, the fighting, the trolling, the constant need to rehash old crap. It seriously gets old. I pulled back alot after all the nonsense with Katrina and her trolling, etc.

We always know the trolls will be banned, but they stir up so much crap before they do. If the site ever gets moderated or there is a better system in place to check for this stuff, then that would be great and a nice incentive to return.

What I loved about this site is that it was a great place for people who are/were passionate about their snakes. Those great people still exist, but it seems most people are visiting less and less, and many have stopped coming period, and it is always for the same reasons.

And trust me this is not a "please don’t go" thing... I am seriously over it. :)

I was talking to Jer tonight that this is always the time of year when things get crazed, and there will be lots of new members that will find the site because they have sick and unstarted bps, and took them on without doing their research and with all that is going on in my life right now I am simply not up to it this year.

I do not blame those individuals, as I was one of those people, and this was the first site I found and I got great info from Kojak, Joanna, Robin, Deb, and many others, I have always felt very blessed and know that my snake Ash had a greater quality of life for all the people that took the time to help him get to be a well-established (if even a very sick) snake for the last year and a half of his life.

I do think that I have more than paid that information forward. So my dues are paid.

If anyone wants to stay in touch I am on several other forums, and have no concerns with pm’ing my contact info. I’ll be checking messages, but not the board, so feel free to get in touch (email, facebook, etc.). And yes, I can answer advice VIA email and PM (I do that as is without any concerns).

Take care all... and I’ll be sure to update when the season gets into swing here. *fingers crossed* for female Fires, YBs, Pastels and lots of possible hets that will prove out in a few years.

Bruce



09/30/08  06:36pm

 #1871800


Bazzer
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  Message To: LoftLizard   In reference to Message Id: 1871792


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

Bruce it’s very sad, but I do know where you are coming from. The minority can iritate and it is a shame that there doesn’t appear to be a moderator monitoring the posts to delete them as they come in.

Stay in touch by PM and one day I WILL get to Canada for a beer and sight of your collection.

Baz



09/30/08  06:41pm

 #1871803


Eves Ball Pythons
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  Message To: LoftLizard   In reference to Message Id: 1871792


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

I’m sorry to see you go. I am pretty over it also. Some of it is just crazy. I know another forum you are on and the insanity is under control over there. I might just stay on that one too. I really just want to be on here to learn, maybe be a little bit of help to some, and meet others that share my love of reptiles. Honestly, I am a pretty peaceful person, so I really don’t enjoy the trash-talking. I wish we could all just get along, but that is just the idealist in me.



09/30/08  06:43pm

 #1871811


Faery
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  Message To: Eves Ball Pythons   In reference to Message Id: 1871803


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

No, Bruce, Don`t go, please. I SO look forward to your posts and your responses on my posts. And Java will miss You terribly. You are so good for His ego.
Rayna



09/30/08  06:50pm

 #1871826


Crisco
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  Message To: LoftLizard   In reference to Message Id: 1871792


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

Well I have’t been here long, but I’m sorry to see you go. And thank you sooo much for all the great info. You and Ga and many other have tough me soo much, and I thanks you a lot for that, and best of luck on you breeding.



09/30/08  07:00pm

 #1871883


GA_Ball_Pythons
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  Message To: LoftLizard   In reference to Message Id: 1871792


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

You can’t go otherwise I will have to go too.



09/30/08  07:45pm

 #1871894


Faery
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  Message To: GA_Ball_Pythons   In reference to Message Id: 1871883


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

Quote:

You can’t go otherwise I will have to go too.


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, Who will help Me when I am ready to start breeding? You both need to stay! Please!



09/30/08  07:57pm

 #1871896


Jyson
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  Message To: GA_Ball_Pythons   In reference to Message Id: 1871883


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

Quote:

You can’t go otherwise I will have to go too.


Yep, same here.



09/30/08  07:59pm

 #1871915


WorkoutMachine
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  Message To: Jyson   In reference to Message Id: 1871896


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

No one really knows me here, but if all you experts leave, I’m out too...



09/30/08  08:17pm

 #1871926


Rabernet
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  Message To: WorkoutMachine   In reference to Message Id: 1871915


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

Well, I had taken a time-out from the site for a bit, and came back just a couple of days ago and was surprised to see the same drama continuing.

It’s very exhausting to come here and try to help, only to be insulted and mocked as a group and feel drawn into the drama, especially when you’ve been away for awhile.

I think Bruce has it right. But - RZ’s loss is another forum’s gain.

I may or may not stick around - if things don’t improve, it’s an easy choice.



09/30/08  08:33pm

 #1871940


Reflex
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  Message To: Jyson   In reference to Message Id: 1871896


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

Wow - I hate to see it turn out like this.
It really is a shame, however I believe you are giving the trolls what they want - what THEY think as "a forum free of a-holes" which is absolutely NOT the case. You all have helped me so much, and for so long. I remember coming here years ago... I believe I was reptilequeen or something like that? lol. But I do remember. And you all helped me out so much and now, now that I have enough info I have been giving back in turn, just as you have. I believe it is your right to go - but yes, you will be missed.

Deb. Thank you for all your help as well. I hope you don’t leave, but if I were put in your situation I think i’d have to give RZ a rest as well.

I willl hate to see the future of this forum if you both leave, Robin and Jason, you as well. I have considered for an instant leaving this forum... But I don’t think I could, even though all who is considering leaving have been my glue to this forum. Besides, someone here needs to stick around and contiunue the legacy LOL!

Bruce, I can see you have made up your mind, I will not ask you to stay, as I know it will just make it harder. I wish the best for everyone who decide to go, once it is all said and done - and PLEASE keep in touch with me! Updates, "how are you doing"s, anything, just please don’t leave me LOL! You all know my reptilegeeks acct.



09/30/08  08:48pm

 #1871976


Danielgnik
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  Message To: Reflex   In reference to Message Id: 1871940


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

No! If most of the experts leave, who will stay to give advise? Me? That would not be good for local bp’s!
Stay!



09/30/08  09:26pm

 #1872003


Shawn78
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  Message To: Danielgnik   In reference to Message Id: 1871976


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

I hate to see people leave also and I know most of you do know a lot about BP’s even though I have not been on here too long.
I have seen things worded in ways that offend people and I think that is what started the whole mess that led up to this.
I know everyone really cares about these animals and it pisses you off at the things people say and do and I understand that.
I think that we just need to bite are tongues sometimes and just explain things in a decent manner and I do know that is hard sometimes.
You are all great people and I do respect all of you and wish you all the best.
Good luck!



09/30/08  09:49pm

 #1872012


Danielgnik
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  Message To: Shawn78   In reference to Message Id: 1872003


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

I am sorry if what I said Offended you Shawn.



09/30/08  09:58pm

 #1872021


Shawn78
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  Message To: Danielgnik   In reference to Message Id: 1872012


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

No you did not offend me. I just made a general statement in regards to a few of the post and all the fighting I have been seeing on here and I know it is pointless to be fighting about this stuff but there are some valid points made dont take what I posted the wrong way danielgnik



09/30/08  10:07pm

 #1872028


Danielgnik
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  Message To: Shawn78   In reference to Message Id: 1872021


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

Oh no you didt post the wrong way. I just soaked it in the wrong way. Ha ha. NevaMind..



09/30/08  10:09pm

 #1872053


Barker
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  Message To: Reflex   In reference to Message Id: 1871940


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

It is a shame, it really is.

Bruce-I just have to say that I have great respect for you. You have always given excellent advise, sometimes even with humor . You are one of the few people whom I trust to honestly tell the truth and not try to pass off mis-knowledge or un-truths just to make yourself look better. I hope that which ever forum you choose to occupy you will continue that(as I am sure you will). I also wish you the best of luck with your move and up coming season. I hope you will at least post some pics and updates(or PM a few of us) to let us know how it is going up north. Best of luck and have a good one!

Deb(and Robin)-You know you are the first person I go to when I have a question(as I am sure others do as well). You have helped me tremendously over the past few years. When I first joined this site I was pregnant, my husband was in Iraq, and he left me with a BP and a boa that I knew nothing about and to be honest didn’t even like. Since then yours and Robins help has not only turned me into a lover of snakes but also an educator to others who fear them. I have shown several people how their fears of snakes are unfounded and wrong. And it is all thanks to you two. I have also been able to share my knowledge with others who have problems or need help. All thanks to you. If it had not been for you and Robin I would still be kind of frightened of snakes and we probably wouldn’t own one any more(when our daughter was born I had to fight with my husband to keep our snakes).

I have gained much knowledge from you all over the years and I will continue to pass along my knowledge here. Hopefully taking a break for a while will allow things to settle down and allow other people to move along so when/if you guys do come back it will be more peaceful. Good luck to you all on your up coming seasons and good bye!(as I tear up)

Yours truly,
Randi Barker



09/30/08  10:32pm

 #1872054


Peter Gamble
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  Message To: Danielgnik   In reference to Message Id: 1872028


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

Since ive been here these people have helped me (directly or indirectly)
Scyllacharybdis
Traviss
Kojak
LoftLizard
Frankykeno
GABallpythons
Rabernet

Please no more, this forum will never bee the same. I dont think there is anything i can say to stop you from leaving, and I dont blame you.
Oh well, See u on ReptileGeeks.....

Peter



09/30/08  10:35pm

 #1872149


PythonGirl
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  Message To: LoftLizard   In reference to Message Id: 1871792


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

That’s sad, but I see exactly where you are coming from. That was the reason why I hadn’t been on here for awhile, and I see that it hasn’t really changed much. There are a lot of immature people that keep fights going which is pretty stupid, but oh well. Sorry to see you go, but seriously since I’ve been here a lot of good people that give really good advice have left.



10/01/08  01:30am

 #1872511


Lord Jiraiya
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  Message To: PythonGirl   In reference to Message Id: 1872149


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

Sorry 2 see u go man. I don’t post often but i must say this sight was so much better 2 years ago. I come back 2 find the place overrun by noobs and trolls who ask dumb questions when they could easily google their problem. As for GA ball pythons- she deserves respect as a seasoned herpeculturist or what ever. the same with rabernet. i hate 2 see these people go because they know what their talking about. U noobs know squat compared 2 them. i’ve only been handling reptiles for 2 years and i’m not afraid 2 say that i don’t know everything there is to know. U noobs r just starting and u think u know everything just like that. Trust me u don’t.



10/01/08  05:27pm

 #1872528


Farmer 99
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  Message To: Lord Jiraiya   In reference to Message Id: 1872511


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

Im pretty new too, but if all u go im screwed!! come on guys!!



10/01/08  05:49pm

 #1872582


Rick247
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  Message To: Farmer 99   In reference to Message Id: 1872528


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

I dont see how you guys can really get mad reading stuff on here. These are reptile fourms. Its really ashame that you guys are goning to leave. It is almost a bad as the trolls that is you guys letting them get to you. Just walk away and breathe.



10/01/08  06:34pm

 #1872675


Faro
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  Message To: Rick247   In reference to Message Id: 1872582


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

well bruce i am sorry to see you go. been awhile since i have been here and seems every time i come back more have left. it is sad that this forum is losing such a group of knowledgeable people who were allways ready to help. some times replies were kinda blunt but i know was never meant to be rude or antagonistic just straight to the point with the best advise for the bp.. any way take care bruce



10/01/08  08:03pm

 #1872710


LoftLizard
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  Message To: Faro   In reference to Message Id: 1872675


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

You all rock. :)

Thanks for the kind words. I had a bit of time, not sure I will leave. I was certain I would when I posted, but *meh* I am free to change my mind.

Seeing how the trolls have free reign, perhaps it is time to join them? I can follow Misery and Brainless, I mean Leggless around and post on everything they do.

Just seeing a few posts of people’s new snakes and their breeding plans it would be hard to walk away from that. I have watched people go to amazing lengths on this site and to miss several of your first breeding seasons would just suck.

*cough* I feel I have a vested interest in where a few of you end up (as you have promised me 1.1 pairs). :P

Bruce



10/01/08  08:27pm

 #1872753


Isabela
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  Message To: LoftLizard   In reference to Message Id: 1872710


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

Huzzah, he stays!

I almost resorted to making a couple alter-egos and having pissy fits on all other forums making this one look friendly by comparison. But I guess my genius plan will have to wait...for now.



10/01/08  08:53pm

 #1872760


Sra
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  Message To: LoftLizard   In reference to Message Id: 1872710


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

Quote:

*cough* I feel I have a vested interest in where a few of you end up (as you have promised me 1.1 pairs). :P



Talking about me? lol

I sent you a pm like two days ago... guess you never got it?

Sara



10/01/08  09:01pm

 #1872767


LoftLizard
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  Message To: Sra   In reference to Message Id: 1872760


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

No hissy fits necessary. :)

I got all the PMs, just need a few days to work through them. The facebook, PM and email offers still stand. I may not be on the board everyday, but I will be around enough to be a pain.

I did mention that I work 3 jobs rights? And have alot of snakes? :P



10/01/08  09:11pm

 #1872856


Eves Ball Pythons
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  Message To: LoftLizard   In reference to Message Id: 1872767


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

1.1? You know, you & GA deserve a pair. YBs? Spiders? Pins? Pastels? Spotnoses(that’s next year, though)? Just lemme know. I’m sure you guys will have to be called upon a few times during my first breeding season :)

I did ask for my profile to be deleted cuz I was mad about the moronic posts (I really tried to be diplomatic, but that was totally useless), but I guess nobody paid attention to my request.

Glad you’re not totally leaving ;)



10/01/08  10:27pm

 #1872931


LadyOhh
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  Message To: Eves Ball Pythons   In reference to Message Id: 1872856


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

Well, Bruce, I know where to find yah..

I’ve been wondering what the hubub was all about with all of the trolls, but... never got into it enough to really mind, I suppose. It is the magic of the internet. Red X, and it all dissapears for a while



10/02/08  02:04am

 #1878676


Marg
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  Message To: LoftLizard   In reference to Message Id: 1872710


 No fanfare, but I think I am done here...

*smacks Bruce and Deb*

Gesh... I go away for a bit amd all hell breaks loose *sigh*

Glad I missed the "Katrina troll" they can be a bit bothersome...
I just don’t read anything anymore that has obvious stupid junk in them.

That’s part of the reason I don’t frequent much anymore myself...

y’all best keep in touch... if you want my email addy (only those who Know me plz)
just PM me :o)



10/11/08  06:39am
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