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#196063
InnerDragon103
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Murder Anxiety 
Hehe... gulp... guys, how am i supposed to kill the mouse?? I dont want to bash its brains in! but i gotta fee diablo, how do i do it??
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12/08/04 3:20pm
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#196077
SCSnakeman
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Message To: InnerDragon103 In reference to Message Id: 196063
Murder Anxiety
Put the mouse in a cloth bag like a pillow case and slam that into the wall or other hard stationary hard surface. Make sure the mouse is down at the end of the bag that hits the wall. One day I am going to design a CO2 chamber and give out the plans. Good luck.
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12/08/04 3:43pm
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#196110
Kaious Lady
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Message To: InnerDragon103 In reference to Message Id: 196063
 Murder Anxiety
What about other methods? drowning, suffocation or freezing? all i have to agree are hard to do and terrible but our babies have to eat....hope it works out for you and Diablo.
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12/08/04 4:36pm
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#196115
InnerDragon103
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Message To: InnerDragon103 In reference to Message Id: 196063
Murder Anxiety
Guys he wont eat it! He’ll sniff it for a good while even get real close but wont eat. i tried wiggling it around and he looks at it, but Diablo wont go for it... Crap i got a picky eater. I dont have a hamster or gerbil to rub this guy against. How do entice Diablo?????
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12/08/04 4:47pm
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#196123
Roachey56
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Message To: InnerDragon103 In reference to Message Id: 196115
Murder Anxiety
Just because it won’t eat doesnt mean its a picky eater. Temps?
Type of heat source?
What are they measured with?
Where are they measured?
humidity?
type of hides?
has it ate for you before?
if so when did it last eat?
what did it last eat?
when you bought it what was it eating?
Is it going into shed? When did you try to feed it?
What did you try to feed it?
live, prekill, FT, etc?
How did you offer it to your snake?
My blood won’t accept food unless it is HOT. I warm the rats up with a 100 watt halogen bulb for about 10 minutes and the air gets to 115ish. Your snake might just want a hot food item.
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12/08/04 5:01pm
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#196138
InnerDragon103
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Message To: Roachey56 In reference to Message Id: 196123
 Murder Anxiety
well i prekilled it, then like 30 sec after offered it to him so mousie was warm, but not HOT. i guess ill try heatin mousie up first, cuz this snake is just moving around the mousie now not even bothering :-(
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12/08/04 5:14pm
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#196155
SCSnakeman
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Message To: InnerDragon103 In reference to Message Id: 196138
Murder Anxiety
How old is your snake? My adult ball python goes off feed in November and won’t eat again until March. She has never suffered any consequences and this is typical ball python behavior. I will offer her food every few weeks but she never takes it during this time. However, the babies tend to eat well until they are about three years old. Also, answer all the questions Roachey asked and someone here will offer advice. Good luck.
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12/08/04 5:33pm
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#196161
InnerDragon103
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Message To: SCSnakeman In reference to Message Id: 196155
WONT EAT
no this one is a baby and will sniff it but no deal! the tank temp is around 90ish and the humidity is at 55. im measuring wit electronic stuff. Diablo was eating when i got him, meaning he had an appeitie. I tried feeding him this afternoon, i even heated mousie up, but no deal. Diablo will sniff then go away, sniif again then go away. Then Diablo decided to make a PILLOW out of mousie, jus restin its head there! Diablo’s in his hide and the mouse is at the entrance. Its dead of course i wudnt want to try a live one it cud hurt my wuss snake. SIGH... i think im just gonna freeze the critter and try again next week :-(
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12/08/04 5:41pm
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#196178
Ski
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Message To: InnerDragon103 In reference to Message Id: 196161
WONT EAT
I’m a novice, but my boa will not eat unless she has privacy and darkness. I tried everything you did with frozen thawed without any luck. Left her alone for a while in the dark and the deed was done when I checked in on her 15 min. later. To this day this is how she likes to eat. I tried to watch one day when I came into the room and she was in the process and it really bothered her. Ended up eating it backwards. Hope this helps.
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12/08/04 5:51pm
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#196182
JasonN
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Message To: SCSnakeman In reference to Message Id: 196077
Murder Anxiety
Here are a couple of alternatives that may be of interest to you:CO2 Euthanasia tank
Small animal euthanasia
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12/08/04 5:55pm
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#196187
InnerDragon103
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Message To: Ski In reference to Message Id: 196178
WONT EAT
how’d u make it dark w/o makin it cold? heating pads??
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12/08/04 5:56pm
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#196191
InnerDragon103
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Message To: InnerDragon103 In reference to Message Id: 196187
WONT EAT
Aright lights out in the tank and a black sheet over the tank... lets cross our fingersss.....
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12/08/04 5:59pm
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#196195
InnerDragon103
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Message To: InnerDragon103 In reference to Message Id: 196191
WONT EAT
err... should i put on the infrared light? or no light at all?
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12/08/04 6:01pm
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#196203
Ski
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Message To: InnerDragon103 In reference to Message Id: 196195
WONT EAT
I use a plastic storage bin to feed her in, so I do not use any lights. I use to put a heating pad under a third of the crate, but she preferred the the cooler side.
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12/08/04 6:08pm
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#196208
SCSnakeman
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Message To: Ski In reference to Message Id: 196203
WONT EAT
I think the black sheet without any lights would be good. I should have mentioned that I put a cloth over all of my snakes when I feed them.
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12/08/04 6:13pm
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#196340
Gecko man
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Message To: SCSnakeman In reference to Message Id: 196208
WONT EAT
as for killing the mouse guys i have a good suggestion. instead of buying one of those machines. find a paintball shop(for those of you who have never played or heard of it i shun you from life) and buy a 20 oz refillable co2 tank with an on off swtich bout 30 bucks. find a sealable container like one of those large rubber maid boxes. drill a hole in the lid insert co2 bottle and turn on for bout 20 seconds. cover the hole with duct tape quickly and wiat about 3 minutes the mouse should be dead if not dispose immdeiatley because its a radioactive beast! lol kidding. but seriouly if the feeding methods above do not work try feeding live fuzzies and hopper m,ice. theyre teeth are unable to cause damage and should be enough for a 2-3 foot ball. hoppers are like in between adult and fuzzie.
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12/08/04 8:57pm
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#196376
JasonN
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Message To: Gecko In reference to Message Id: 196340
WONT EAT
I’m with you Gecko Man. I posted a link (#196182) to two sites with instructions on making a cheap co2 chamber earlier in this thread.
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12/08/04 9:59pm
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#196503
Pelota
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Message To: Gecko In reference to Message Id: 196340
WONT EAT
Feeding live fuzzies or hoppers to a 2-3 foot ball would require some multiple feeding...Too much trouble IMO.  Not to mention fuzzies and hoppers don’t have nearly as much nutrients and stuff for a growing ball python.
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12/09/04 1:04am
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#196670
Amy&Isabella
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Message To: Pelota In reference to Message Id: 196503
WONT EAT
the vet told me if i wanted to kill a mouse to put it on a cloth put a pen or something on its neck and hold it down firmly then grab the base of the tail and yank hard to break its neck.....i almost cried! LOL theres no way i’m doing that!!!
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12/09/04 2:08pm
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#196890
Pelota
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Message To: Amy&Isabella In reference to Message Id: 196670
WONT EAT
Honestly, it’s worse for you than it is for them. They have to die sometime. And that’s one of the quickest ways if done properly. I still like the whack method better. It’s easier, faster, and not so hands on. Drop a mouse in a bag, give it a few hard whacks to a wall or hard stationary surface, and you’re done. Can’t be any more simple than that.
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12/09/04 11:42pm
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#197115
InnerDragon103
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Message To: Pelota In reference to Message Id: 196890
WONT EAT
What i did to put mousie down was i put him in a ziploc bag and twisted it up so no air was in the bag, i think its a lot less messy than smacking it against a wall....
But anyhow guys, i offered mousie to him a second time, with all the lil things like covering and preheating the mouse, still NADA. The mouse was frozen and thawed too... Am i gonna have to buy a GERBIL and rub a mouse on him every time?!?! I mean ok, maybe its not that serious, ive only had him for a wekk, so i suppose i can wait a couple more weeks before worrying. i dont want to just assume he’s going to fast though, because Diablo is a baby!!! Oh yea, i’ll post pics tomorrow!
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12/10/04 3:33pm
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#197118
JasonN
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Message To: Amy&Isabella In reference to Message Id: 196670
WONT EAT
Make your own co2 chamber. They’re cheap and easy to create. This will eliminate your problem. The simple reality is that if you can’t provide your snake F/T then you’re going to have to feed live or kill the prey yourself. I’m not too fond of killing things either, fortunately our royal eats F/T rats so I don’t have to deal with this. However, if I did, I would build a co2 chamber toot sweet.Jason
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12/10/04 3:40pm
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#197414
Pelota
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Message To: InnerDragon103 In reference to Message Id: 197115
WONT EAT
Whacking a mouse isn’t messy at all. I’ve whacked a few in my time, and there is virtually no mess. And it’s a quick death for the mouse. By the sounds of your method, you suffocated it. That would probably be a bit more painful and cruel for the mouse.And if you’ve only had your snake for a week, and you’ve been trying to feed him all these times already...that’s most likely your problem right there, lol. You should give them 1-2 weeks to settle into their new environment before bothering with them. No handling, no feeding. Just change water and spot clean when necessary. Then after the week or two, offer some food. The snake is probably still stressed out from being put in a new environment with new smells and sights and stuff like that...then the feeding when he’s not ready probably just furthers the stressfulness. I’d leave him for a week or so, then try feeding.
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12/11/04 12:04am
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#198671
Gecko man
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Message To: Pelota In reference to Message Id: 197414
WONT EAT
for all the wackmasters out there. refering to wacking the mouse of course. i think thats more painful than suffocation. i mean even if its quick theres always pain. my grandfather from ww2 yes hes still alive, said hed seen guys get shot in the head and die but still have a pained look. oh by the way the stress is probably the reason for a lack ofm appetite.or dare i say it... hes sick. when my leos stopped eating i took em to a vet and found they had parasites.
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12/13/04 9:37pm
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#198806
Pelota
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Message To: Gecko In reference to Message Id: 198671
WONT EAT
LOL how can you say that dying instantly by head trauma is more painful than slowly dying by suffocating?
Honestly, if I asked you which way you’d like to be killed, and gave you the choices of smacking your head against a wall to kill you instantly, or being put in a contraption that slowly crushes your insides and suffocates you, which would you choose? I know I for one would choose the first choice.
Oh, and sure when you get shot in the head, you feel pain. But the pain is so quick, it’s nothing compared to a slow suffering death. Same with whacking a rodent against a hard surface. I’m sure there’s pain, but it’s so quick and miniscule, that it’s much more humane than the actual constriction of a snake. I believe the humane society recognizes the whack method and approves it for rodents such as mice and small rats. Don’t hold me to it though. Just going by what I remember reading.
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12/14/04 12:40am
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#198842
Munkyboy
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Message To: Pelota In reference to Message Id: 198806
WONT EAT
"Oh, and sure when you get shot in the head, you feel pain. But the pain is so quick, it’s nothing compared to a slow suffering death" If you have ever been knocked out cold, you would know that you don’t feel anything until you wake up. If you were shot in the head, I doubt you would even hear the shot ring out.
It is definitely better to purchase frozen prey if you can. My boa is at a size where it is difficult to find the appropriate size frozen rats. I’ve had to do the dirty deed myself a few times. It sucks, kept me awake late nights thinking about having to do it. The humane way is a homemade co2 gas chamber as stated above. If you must do it another way snap the neck or give it a good whack. Just don’t make it suffer.ie.( drowning, freezing to death, suffocating, ect.) 
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12/14/04 2:01am
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#198879
Pelota
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Message To: Munkyboy In reference to Message Id: 198842
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lol, Actually nope. Never been knocked out cold. Never been shot in the head either. So I can’t REALLY say anything about them except assumptions. 
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12/14/04 4:24am
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#199064
Paintballplayingherp
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Message To: Pelota In reference to Message Id: 198879
WONT EAT
try to get the body temp of the mouse to at least 95 degrees or it’ll think the mouse is dead and probably won’t eat it.
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12/14/04 4:51pm
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