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  * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

Since the "Bump Fairies" got Lazy...
Here’s a new post :o)

                            This is going to be a long post...
                        Please read through Everything!!!!


This by no means is set in stone...
just the guide lines I have used for the past 4 years,
with no problems


If you have a Question... Please make a New Post,
so that it does not get over looked as some one bumping the thread :o)


You can use Glass Tanks, Wood Built, or Rubber-Maid containers...

  • The general rule is ..the enclosure/container should be at least 2/3 the length of the snake...

    Here’s a Link for some nice containers... very clear looking - like glass - seem a bit expensive,
    but may be less than glass tanks.

    Or you can find cheaper ones at a dollar store or wal-mart.


    Just make sure you have All the right equipment needed!

  • Digital Thermometer/Hydrometer -
          (found at Wal-Mart [Hardware dept - $11.88] -
          Lowes, Home Depot, etc for less than $15)
          (Dial and "Stick On" gauges are Crap)
          the probe from the therm/hydrometer goes IN the Warm Side Hide -
          the unit goes In the cool side, Inside the tub/tank.

  • You need to get something similar to this...


  • Temps should read:
          Warm Side: between 90f - 94f (32.22C - 34.44 C)
          Cool Side:between 80f - 84f (26.67 C - 28.89 C)
          Humidity: between 50-60% (70% when in shed)

    *although some prefer to use lower temps, but personally, I would not go too much lower.

          the Probe goes Inside the Warm hide
          (dont attach it to the hide - makes for a pain when cleaning)
          again... The Unit goes on cool side... near the bottom of enclosure
          In temp = Cool side temp
          Out temp = Warm side temp
          Bottom Reading = Humidity Level

  • The heat provided should be obtained by using a UTH (under Tank Heater)
          Controlled by a Thermostat, or a dimmer switch at the least!


    __________

            NO Heat Rocks!!!

          Snakes do not have the nervous system like we do, and they can not tell
          if some thing is too hot, until it is too Late.
          Snakes absorb heat through their belly.
          However, they do not have the nervous system We do...
          and do not know when too hot is too hot ...until it is too Late!
          They will lay on something that is warm, until it is too hot, too late,
          and they get burned.

          Belly Burn is Nasty, Unhealthy, and can be Very Costly!!!
          (to both you and the snake)
    __________

  • UTH (Under Tank Heater) to warm one side of the enclosure

  • Thermostat to Control the Heat (works like a House thermostat)

  • Water bowl does Not need to be big enough for your snake to soak in

  • 2 Hides - one on each side of the enclosure,
          preferably Identical, so that they do not choose comfort over temps,
          and no log hides... they do not provide the security a BP needs (too wide open),
          and will allow heat to escape from inside the hide,
          where belly heat is provided/needed.

  • Cover/Camoflauge - you will need to provide some cover,
          to help the snake feel more secure...
          especially if you Insist on using a Larger Enclosure.

    Most of us using glass enclosures have some sort of background,
    mine is a piece of cloth that I found, with greenery pattern on it.

  • Locks- Make Sure you have Clips to lock down tight, any lid you have.
          Where the head goes, so will the body!

  • Substrate - anything but Cedar and pine (TOXIC TO ALL SNAKES) or Sand
          (Sand will dry them out, get in their mouths and under scales and cause infection)

  • Most use Aspen...
          Many use news paper,some use shelf liner, cypress mulch, etc.
          - No Contact Paper in the enclosure -

  • Can put Branches to make it look pretty/eye catching...

  • Just remember... the more you put In, the More you have to Clean!!!

  • Should do a complete clean once a month, spot clean as needed :o)

    Please, please read Care Sheets Link, preferably Before getting Any snake!!!
    With Proper Care... Most snakes can live 20-30 years :o)


  • 10 gallon for hatchling/baby BP
  • 20 gallon for sub adult/Sub Adult
  • 30 gallon enclosures would be sufficient for an Adult


  • A 10 gallon Tank would be sufficient for a baby/hatchling,
          and depending on how Small, a 5 gallon would work as well.

  • A 20 gallon would be sufficient for a sub adult/mid-size BP...
          giving it more space, but not too much.

  • A 30 gallon is sufficient for a full grown BP, for life time.
          Some prefer bigger, when they are full grown, but not required.

  • The smaller the Snake, the smaller the Enclosure should be...
          Especially with hatchlings/babies!

  • Too Much space Can cause Stress, leading to other issues,
          such as Bad Sheds, Not feeding, etc.


    When the time comes for a 20 gal Tank... the "long" size may be better,
    as BPs do not climb.


    Be sure you have All the equipment needed, and have your enclosure set up
    at Least 48 hours Prior to getting Any snake.


    I don’t use tubs or racks, so I can not give a lot of info on that...
    Here’s a Link, from the Corn forum,
    but has some basic info on tubs, racks, flexwatt tape, etc.
  • Basically tubs can be set up the same way as glass enclosures...
          UTH on one side, Thermostat/Dimmer Switch, therm/hydrometer in cool side, 2 hides, etc.
  • You also will need to melt/drill holes in the Sides (not the top) for ventilation
          and or temp/humidity control
          and need "Binder Clips", to secure the sides of the lid(s)

    If some one wants to add info about "Tubbing It"
    or if anyone want to add anything else, feel free...

    Quote:

    Anyone Needing Small/Shoebox tubs
    (for babies/hatchlings, or just storing stuff - LoL)

    I was at "Dollar Tree" (a US - Nationwide Chain),
    and they have them (6 quart, I think (?), for a buck!

    I do not remember if they had any bigger than that...



    Quote:

    Please keep this bumped for newbies!!!


    Quote:

    And before this goes any further...
    This goes for Everyone...
    If you have a Question... Please make a New Post, so that it does not get over looked as some one bumping the thread :o)



    Think I covered most of it...
      
    Marg



  • 03/20/09  07:58pm

     #1971931


    Marg
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      Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1971927


      * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

    OK - The llink I provided for Care Sheets did not work... Here is the Correct link!

    Care Sheets



    03/20/09  08:09pm

     #1972003


    Flameethrower
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      Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1971931


      * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

    Brownie Points for marg. Were too lazy to search HAHA.

    I just could never find it to bump it up.



    03/20/09  11:11pm

     #1972198


    Marg
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      Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1971931


      * * SOME TUB INFO...

    aprox.
    under 400-500grams goes in a 15 qt tub
    aprox 400/500-1500 grams a 32 qt tub, and
    1500 grams and up goes in the 41 qt tub.

    Some may be bumped up to a bigger tub sooner then others, depends on the snake...



    03/21/09  12:33pm

     #1972200


    Flameethrower
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      Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1972198


      * * SOME TUB INFO...

    Just a addition, most stores dont carry 32 qts anymore. but they are stocked on 28qts which are basically same size.



    03/21/09  12:36pm

     #1972208


    Marg
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      Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1971931


      * * SCALES AND OTHER EQUIPMENT...

  • Scales

  • Post
    Discussion on tank set up, camoflauge,
    placing Therm/hydrometer probe, etc...

  • UTHS and other heating supplies

  • Cave Type Hides

  • Plastic Box Type Hid

  • Thermostats

  • Aspen Substrate

  • Mice
    For Rats, click on the Home tab, then Rats



  • 03/21/09  12:54pm

     #1972211


    Marg
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      Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1971927


      * * PROBE INFO...

    Q:       It really seems like the In and Out temps are switched for some reason...

    A:       The reason the In and out temps seem backwards is
    because the unit is intended to be used as so:

    You would mount the unit next to a door/window (of a house),
    the probe wire would be threaded through a window/door jam
    to read Outside temps. Which would be the sensor reading "out" (Outside),
    and the unit/box reading "in" (inside the home).
    Make sence? LoL



    03/21/09  12:59pm

     #1972215


    Marg
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      Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1972208


      * * PROBE PLACEMENT...

    Goes in enclosure like so:

    There is a hide behind the water dish, under the vines... lol
    old pic, more stuff in them now.

    Unit goes in cool side (inside enclosure, 2" from bottom)
    Wire thingy with probe goes in warm side hide.

    Reads like so:

    In: cool side temps
    Out: warm side temps
    humidity- bottom reading



    03/21/09  01:05pm

     #1972217


    Marg
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      Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1971931


      * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

    If anyone would like to add info, or even opinion on anything, feel free...

    Let’s not make this into a debating post!!!... no arguing please...
    If you have a problem with some thing, or some one’s reply, Please make a New post,
    or take it to PM :o)


    I will be adding things as I find more info...


  • If you have a Question... Please make a New Post,
    so that it does not get over looked as some one bumping the thread :o)

  • As a Reminder...

    Quote:


    If you have a Question...

                   Please make a New Post...

                            so that it does not get over looked
                                                    as some one bumping the thread :o)




  • 03/21/09  01:13pm

     #1973147


    Flameethrower
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      Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1972217


      * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

    B
    U
    M
    P



    03/23/09  12:48am

     #1973222


    VypyrByk
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      Message To: Flameethrower   In reference to Message Id: 1973147


      * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

    Marg, I finally found the therm/ hydro you were talking about. I got it at Lowes in the Lawn & Garden section. I also got some polystyrene insulation and mounted it to the bottom of the tank over the UTH so I would quit losing heat. I’ll post some pics after I get home. Currently I am using a rheostat, but even then I still have to makke alot of adjustments to it during the evening/ night to keep the temps ok. My next project will be to rig up some sort of thermostat.



    03/23/09  09:07am

     #1973426


    Marg
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      Message To: VypyrByk   In reference to Message Id: 1973222


      * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

    Great!

    Be sure to make a New post with pics



    03/23/09  05:08pm

     #1973438


    Marg
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      Message To: VypyrByk   In reference to Message Id: 1973222


      * * Thermostat...

    This is the one I use right now.
    I have had it for 3 yrs, and only need to adjust it
    when the weather/season changes.

    It is a Dial Type Thermostat.
    Some do not care for these,
    or even this particular Brand...
    but it works for me :o)

    You can plug 2 UTHs/heat sources into the unit,
    but if you use this type, make sure the wattage is ok for the unit.



    03/23/09  05:29pm

     #1973696


    Marg
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      Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1971931


      * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

    Bumpin up already - LoL



    Marg



    03/24/09  06:38am

     #1974694


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      Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1971931


      * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

    BUMP!



    03/25/09  07:45pm

     #1975468


    VypyrByk
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      Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1974694


      * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

    BUMP



    03/27/09  08:06am

     #1976092


    Marg
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      Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1972217


      * * UTH PLACEMENT... and Heat Lamps

    First, here is a Link to a post where I, and other long time RZ Members,
    help and discuss a few things with Glass Enclosure Set Ups...

    How to place the UTH


    Place the UTH "long ways" from the end, as shown in the pic.
    The UTH should be no more than Half of the length of the enclosure
    (1/3 is recommended), and as wide as possible, to the width.

    "Wide as possible" because you need heat in the warm side,
    other than In the hide.

    If you just have a UTH that is only as wide as the Hide,
    you will have problems heating the Entire Enclosure.

    I think this is where most people have temp issues!

    If the UTH is only as wide as the hide, you will only getting heat in the hide.
    If you have a UTH that is Wider than the hide, you have heat under/in the
    whole of the enclosure.

    Kinda like having a "space heater",
    You have a "space heater" pointing toward you in a cold room...
    you are warm... but the rest of the room is cold.
    Make sence?



    My tanks are larger than recommended, but they work for Me...
    does Not mean large enclosures will work for Everyone.

    My enclosures are 36" x 18" x 18" (40 gal "Critter Cages").
    The UTH I use is 11" x 17" ( Ultratherm UTHs )

    I have a UTH that covers about half the enclosure floor
    (1/3 - 1/2 is recommended), Controlled by a Thermostat.

    Water bowls over a UTH tend to aid in build up of bacteria.

    You can place the water dish over the UTH area,
    but It is not recommend.

    If you wash the bowl Daily, which you should anyway, that would be ok...
    but that slimey film that builds up in the bottom of the bowl... well... yuk.!

    I wouldn’t drink from a slimey glass... nor give it to my cat :o)

    Same goes for Heat Lamps...
    They will also cause bacteria build up, and slimey film.

    Heat lamps should only be used If yo can Not reach desired temps,
    with using only a UTH.

    I do on occassion use a heat lamp, but I only turn on, to less than half
    (with a dimmer switch), when it is extremely cold out side
    (have only had to use the it 3 times the whole winter).


  • As a Reminder...

    Quote:


    If you have a Question...

    Please make a New Post...

    so that it does not get over looked
    as some one bumping the thread :o)





  • 03/28/09  02:48pm

     #1976516


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      Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1976092


      * * UTH PLACEMENT... and Heat Lamps

    Bump



    03/29/09  11:16am

     #1977543


    VypyrByk
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      Message To: ReptiGal94   In reference to Message Id: 1976516


      * * UTH PLACEMENT... and Heat Lamps

    Bump bumpity bump...



    03/30/09  09:07pm

     #1978555


    Marg
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      Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1974694


      * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

    BUMP!



    04/01/09  04:38pm

     #1979185


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      Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1971927


      * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

    bump



    04/02/09  08:31pm

     #1979355


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      Message To: Edf   In reference to Message Id: 1979185


      * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

    doin’ da bump...



    04/03/09  07:31am

     #1980785


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      Message To: VypyrByk   In reference to Message Id: 1979355


      * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

    bump



    04/05/09  09:57pm

     #1981899


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      Message To: VypyrByk   In reference to Message Id: 1980785


      * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

    bump +1



    04/07/09  06:50pm

     #1983615


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      Message To: VypyrByk   In reference to Message Id: 1981899


      * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

    bump +2



    04/10/09  04:20pm

     #1984137


    Marg
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      Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1971931


      * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

      



    04/11/09  03:07pm

     #1984352


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      Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1984137


      * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

    ok i do have a question a dumb one i know. i use a red heat bulb stays on all the time i have a 20 long. i have a uth but it is for a 5 gallon i think can i use that on my so long? i know that is the dumbest question but i guess i would be the one to ask lol



    04/11/09  09:29pm

     #1984734


    Marg
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      Message To: Lpdjstitch   In reference to Message Id: 1984352


      * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

    You Can use both, but you need to get a larger UTH.
    (if you scroll Up, there is a section on UTH’s, and placement)

    Heat lamps tend to dry out humidity.

    As I said...

    Quote:


    * * UTH PLACEMENT... and Heat Lamps

    If you just have a UTH that is only as wide as the Hide,
    you will have problems heating the Entire Enclosure.

    I think this is where most people have temp issues!

    If the UTH is only as wide as the hide, you will only getting heat in the hide.
    If you have a UTH that is Wider than the hide, you have heat under/in the
    whole enclosure.

    Kinda like having a "space heater",
    You have a "space heater" pointing toward you in a cold room...
    you are warm... but the rest of the room is cold.
    Make sence?




    As a Reminder...

    Quote:


          If you have a Question...

                Please make a New Post...

                      so that it does not get over looked
                            as some one bumping the thread :o)




    Luckily... Some of read before bumping :o)



    04/12/09  04:19pm

     #1984985


    Vypyrz
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      Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1984734


      * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

    Marg, Do you mind if I post some pics of my UTH set-up in this thread? I got some good ones that go from the improper uth to insulating it to filling in the screen top. I thought they might do some good here but I can put them in a new post if you want...



    04/12/09  11:45pm

     #1985062


    Marg
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      Message To: Vypyrz   In reference to Message Id: 1984985


      * * SETTING UP YOUR ENCLOSURE...

    Anything informational is fine :o)



    04/13/09  06:35am
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