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#2270086 Wyland2222 View Profile	Edf or ball breeders need help Ok yesterday was day 58 for my eggs and I went ahead and cut them, now my question is this, should they be moving? Can’t see their heads at all yet, if you have a fb account you can see pics of them there on our repticzone page, is an open group. There are still veins, they are warm but they have not moved at all that I can tell............is this bad? They do not seem to be changing at all, not getting little or anything. They look exactly like they did when I cut them. Someone please help, I am going nuts......................
06/15/12  09:02am
#2270117 Edf View Profile	Message To: Wyland2222   In reference to Message Id: 2270086  Edf or ball breeders need help sometimes they move- sometimes they don’t. you can always carefully poke them with a qtip, or push on the egg. But what yopu describe- nothing sounds odd. Check the enxt day- you are bound tro see them in a little different position. My eggs are dimpling and seperated very easily- they are gonan be ready soon!
06/15/12  03:55pm
#2270145 Wyland2222 View Profile	Message To: Edf   In reference to Message Id: 2270117  Edf or ball breeders need help Edf, well now I am being told that they were cut too soon, that these look too young to have been cut and that I cut the eggs too large and bacteria will get in there and can kill them..........Idk......and I cut them last night, I did barely touch today and still no movement, I am also being told that because the sack is still clear and the veins still nice and red that they are most likely ok............i just don’t know, I am sick to my stomach thinking now that I may have killed them all by cutting too large and too soon, even though it was 58 days.................but the shells were very soft and starting to shrink in more, so I thought it would be ok, sigh..........live and learn I guess and I am just going to have to wait and see!
06/15/12  06:14pm
#2270150 Edf View Profile	Message To: Wyland2222   In reference to Message Id: 2270145  Edf or ball breeders need help I cut on day 55 for the past three years- with the excepting of 0ne clutch was cut on day 52. Yes, you may see some stuff growing int here- but I just scoop it out. If you cut on day 40-45 ( i know of people whodo cut that soon) then that risk of th ebactiera is worse. Everybody has different opinions on how to do things. I advised you on how I did things- and th eonly babies I lost was one that was just not gonna make it ( something wasa wrong with egg sac- nothing to do with cutting) and a clutch that got too wet on day 5. Now- you sure your date is correct? if you miscounted and its not day 58 and only 38 then yes they may have been cut too soon ( but there are remedies for this) Somepeople get all nasty and say they should not be cut at all. WHat were your incubating temps again? If they were cooked slightly lower, then they may be a few days behind- but still, with an online pal of mine, he cuts his eggs way early. I am not seeing pics on yoru RZ account of the eggs cut- can you link to the pic of them and i can see? If you fear it weas too soon- just dont disturb them. Check for anything odd and if you see anything growing int he eggs- scoop them out. I saw stuff growing in my eggs and they all hatched fine. I think you are fine Trish, I really do. You waited longer then me. I had some come out almost right after I cut, and had some stay in for one more week. When i first cut- i dont see much movement at all. My cut day is thursday- I can tell you what I see. However, I think you will get babies coming out at that time.
06/15/12  06:51pm
#2270395 Wyland2222 View Profile	Message To: Edf   In reference to Message Id: 2270150  Edf or ball breeders need help Yep absolutely sure they were at 58 days, for sure, no doubt, wrote it on my calendar and counted a bunch of times! The incubator temp was set at 90 and I had a cheap thermostate in with the eggs but I don’t trust it because it would not go above 80 and I tested it on other things, so can’t for 100% say what the temp was inside and dumb me did not use my temp gun to check them :+(. One of my friends says she has never had ones that did not move at all and this is what worries me, yesterday I put sanitizer on one finger and moved the eggs from outside to see if any movement but none sill, so then I actually ran my finger down the snakes and still no movement! They still look exactly as they did when I cut them, the white part of the egg stuff is still nice and clear, the eggs are still the same color as they were when I cut them, no smell at all, I would think that if I cut them on Thursday that by now if they were bad, I would see or smell something!. I didn’t put the pictures in my album, I just put them on my page, I will put them in an album in my pictures so you can see them and then I will let you now when I do, then you can look at them and tell me what you think. I am just looking at them from outside and not opening the bator but ever otherr day just long enough to smell and get a good look. I just hope I have not killed them somehow, but I can tell you this, I am NOT going to cut any future eggs from now on until I see at least 1 pip, I can’t go through this again, I feel horrible and like I did something wrong. Ok Gonna put the eggs in an album on my pictures on fb so yu can look. Trish ’
06/18/12  04:59am
#2270396 Wyland2222 View Profile	Message To: Wyland2222   In reference to Message Id: 2270395  Edf or ball breeders need help Ok they are in my pictures on my page so you can see them............for some reason I can’t title the album, don’t know how anymore :+( Trish
06/18/12  05:06am
#2270397 Edf View Profile	Message To: Wyland2222   In reference to Message Id: 2270395  Edf or ball breeders need help whats your facebook account? Also- see, if your temp was much MUCH lower- they may not be as far developed as mine were when cooking at 89-90 degrees. temps can factor into it. I am sorry if you feel I gave you wrong advice, but ia ma cutter, i cut the eggs. I dont see movement right away, but itsd also been a year. Just make sure their egg water dont evaportate- you may need to add saline solution to the egg to kjeep it wet.
06/18/12  08:27am
#2270444 Wyland2222 View Profile	Message To: Edf   In reference to Message Id: 2270397  Edf or ball breeders need help I am patriciaamyangelmom, on fb, Noooooooooooooo I do not think you gave me bad advice at all!, everyone said the same thing, not just you! You can look at the eggs but I fear they are a lost cause, they are beginning to look different, the whites of the egg have a tint of brownish to it now, still no smell, no movement. The temp on the bator was set at 91, but I have a feeling it did not get that much, not sure the exact temp, They are not drying out at all but the little I see has my gut saying I have lost them, if I have time tomorrow I will take pics of them and post them on my page to show you.........for now you can see what they looked like when I cut them. Trish
06/18/12  06:21pm
#2270458 Edf View Profile	Message To: Wyland2222   In reference to Message Id: 2270444  Edf or ball breeders need help Yeah, i add that name at the end of facebook.com, page unknown. I search for that name- no results...
06/18/12  09:05pm
#2270467 Really View Profile	Message To: Edf   In reference to Message Id: 2270458  Edf or ball breeders need help Edf, here is a link to Trish: Link
06/18/12  09:44pm
#2270530 Wyland2222 View Profile	Message To: Really   In reference to Message Id: 2270467  Edf or ball breeders need help rOFL thanks for linking her up to me, you are a doll............to me the eggs look worse, still no smell as of last night but the fluid around them is not clear like it was and they still don’t move :+(. My gut is telling me I have lost them, but Rayna said to wait, that if they were dead there would be a smell for sure by now but there is not, I have not checked them this am, I don’t want to post pics for all to see and I don’t know any other way to show you both! Trish
06/19/12  06:17am
#2270533 Edf View Profile	Message To: Wyland2222   In reference to Message Id: 2270530  Edf or ball breeders need help Ok- one looks to have ( from what i can tell from the photos- the best i can) i giant yolk sac- its the last opic in the album- at least thats what it looks like to me- tho i never seen one that big. If that is the egg sac- it could be 1- it got tangled and isnt obsorbing or 2- which i am speculating now- their developement is not as far along as one would think for 58 days- and therefore egg yolk still there is ok. See, what is now making me thing the eggs arent as far along as they should be is the coloration of the babies- they seem a bit light. I seen a snake from a pal who cuts way earlier- and that is what it looked like. Now, his babies all hatched fine, so if this i sth ecase and for some reason your eggs are gonna tak elonger to hatch- they still should be alright. I do know you need to pick up saline solution if the eggs start to loose water, but I will ask my pal what to do with eggs cut too soon ( dopesnt mater if its day 58 if they, for some reason, arent developed as much) now I cannot be sure 100% that this is what it is Trish. I will say- I see no reason at this moment to think they wont make it. The only exception is that last one- but that yolk sac could be pushed to the side. Worse case scenerio- the snake wont make it. Middle scenerio- snak emay be smaller due to not all obsorbed. Best case scenerio- that snake is just a few days behind the others and will be just fine. It looks tho, that when cutting the egg- th einside sac is still inplace in the egg... which is better then me, i cut the whole thing= but this may not giver you issues with the egg water drying up.... But its starting to add up that maybe they arent as far along- their coloration, their egg yolks still there, and not moving. All i’d ever see was flinches- but i was only poking ones i thought had issues ( clutch i lost) BUT whatever you do- DO NOT LET THE EGGS DRY UP! That is how, in the end, i lost a lesser and a genetic banded- every 2 days i was adding saline solution- and it was fine., Some reason, the second day anothe rtime i added water- wasnt soon enough. One baby had mold, other was just dead. Now, what you are seeing in the water is prolly just mold. I’ll ask what do do about that- dont remove it until you get saline solution. But don’t get discouraged Trish. There is hope- i wouldnt loose hope if it was my clutch- hell, i incubated eggs that i was pretty sure died on day 10- i just held my breath when i went into the bator. Even if the worst case scenerio happens and you loos ethem all- it sucks, i know- i lost one clutch- and i can’t even blaime it being my first time and made a boo-boo- it was my third season. But don’t give up- just use it to learn from for next season.
06/19/12  08:34am
#2270534 Edf View Profile	Message To: Edf   In reference to Message Id: 2270533  Edf or ball breeders need help CRAP! i just freinded you on my b/fs account. I will unfreind ya ( steve dont add people he dont know)
06/19/12  08:35am
#2270537 Edf View Profile	Message To: Edf   In reference to Message Id: 2270534  Edf or ball breeders need help Ok, cut my clutch- curiosity killed me. Mine were on day 53. Now, i was poking tyhem and saw no movement. when i was about to put the lid on- i saw one snake move. But didnt see a thing when i was cutting or pushing on the side of the egg. my goal with these pics is to see how they- the babies- compare to yours... see, i think thatr yours look much lighter- as in not developed all the way- HOWEVER- their color and such is the last thing to come in. I think you just nmay be 7-10 days sooner I am guessing.... i think my pal cut on day 45.
06/19/12  09:27am
#2270561 Wyland2222 View Profile	Message To: Edf   In reference to Message Id: 2270537  Edf or ball breeders need help Edf private message me your email addy and I will send you pics I took last night, don’t want to post them on fb for all to see. I emailed them to my another friend and she says that they are dead and to give up, even with no smell, I just can’t do that unless there is a smell, can’t give up until I am 100% sure. I have Buffered eye wash, is that ok to use? Will look to see if I have eye solution, used to in my drawer but think I threw it out................they really do look bad, really bad. Ok gonna go put the buffered eye wash in them till I hear from you to send you email address so you can see and to check them for the first time today. Trish
06/19/12  02:41pm

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