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 #244396


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 Best place to read temps

I am planning on getting a bp and was wondering where the best spot is to read the temps on top or bottom of the tank,also where is the best place to put the hide on the warm side or the cooler side any help would be apprciated thanks



02/09/05  06:42pm
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 #244842


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  Message To: Slitherman   In reference to Message Id: 244396


 Best place to read temps

Well I’d think since the snake doesn’t hover to the top of its tank, and spends 99% of its time on the tank floor, I’d think it’d be smartest to measure the temperatures from the tank floor so you know what temperatures your snake has....
I recommend going to Walmart or another store like that, and look for a digital thermometer with probe. You can usually find the Acurite digital thermometer/hygrometer with probe for around 10-15 dollars. It will measure two temperature readings, and a humidity reading. Place the digital unit itself on the cool end of the cage on the substrate, and put the probe under the hide on the warm side. That way you’ll be able to accurately read the temperatures for your snake.

Ideal temperatures are 90-95 warm side(in the hide) and 80-85 cool side. Ambient(air temperature) should be around 80-85 as well.
Oh, and humidity should be 55-65% during normal non-shed times, and bumped up to around 80% for shedding times.



02/10/05  01:16am
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 #244879


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  Message To: Pelota   In reference to Message Id: 244842


 Best place to read temps

If you’ve got room, put hides on both sides -- one on the cool and one on the warm.

And Pelota, you sure like it warm don’t you. lol The temps shouldn’t be 90 - 95 IN the hide, but around the same as the ambient if the hide is on the warm side. The basking area can be around 90 or a little higher. Balls like to climb, so if you have a branch or elevated basking spot, take the temp. around the spot where the snake would be basking.



02/10/05  02:19am
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 #244888


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  Message To: Bandit   In reference to Message Id: 244879


 Best place to read temps

No, I mentioned to have it around 90-95 IN the warm hide, since inside the hide will always be warmer than outside of the hide. If you have temps of 90-95 on the substrate outside of the hide, it will probably be a handful of degrees warmer in the hide, since the heat stays in more. It’s more important to know the temperature in the hide because as most of us know, ball pythons spend 90% of their time hiding.

I don’t like it warm, but ball pythons do. Optimal belly temps for warm side is around 92-3 degrees. I don’t like keeping the temps around 95, but it’s within the acceptable range, so to each their own.

Do ball pythons like to climb? First I’ve heard of this. If you have a branch, they’ll use it to try and find an escape from the cage, but I don’t think they like to climb like boas and other species. Like I said, ball pythons typically spend 90% of their time in their hides. Lazy buggars.



02/10/05  03:07am
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  Message To: Pelota   In reference to Message Id: 244888


 Best place to read temps

thank you.



02/10/05  05:30pm
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 #245669


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  Message To: Slitherman   In reference to Message Id: 245332


 Best place to read temps

Yeah, they do spend a lot of time in their hides don’t they. lol

I guess if the warm hide is right on top of the UTH the temps can get pretty high in there. I’ve never done that. Usually I put the hide off to the side a little. Same with the basking spot. I usually put that off to the side of the position of the UTH as well so I can get a gradient. It also encourages the snake to come out of the hide to bask occasionally.

From what I’ve read, in their native habitat they spend just about as much time in the trees as on the ground. I don’t remember precisely, but with my female Ball, I believe the hide next to the basking area kept a temperature of between about 86 to 89, while the basking area varied between 89 - 93 (average was about 90). The ambient air temperature fluctuated between 86 - 90 in the middle and on the cool side was between 85 and 88. The hide on the cool side was the coldest place in the tank and I remember it often read below 85. The tank was four feet long and had a screen top on it and the fluctuations were mainly due to the changes in air currents and temps in the room itself. I had heat tape on this tank and the red basking light was always on. She occasionally used the cool hide but spent most of her time in the warm hide, coming out occasionally for a bask. But in the morning and evenings when the house was quiet, she spent a lot of time in her "tree" in the middle of the tank, even though it was slightly cooler than her warm hide and basking area. I had her for 17 years.

The male, who I had for 10 years, never used his "tree" once, and after about 4 years I just stopped putting it back into the viv after I cleaned. His tank was a 30 gallon with a peg board top and I only used a basking light for heat. The basking area sat around 90-91 and the ambient temperature seemed to sit at 88 no matter how cold the room outside got. The few times I measured the temp in his hide,on the cold side, I’m pretty sure it was 86 or 87, at least I remember it was only one or two degrees cooler than the ambient. Goes to show how much variation there can be.

I used to keep records of shedding and feeding, as well as any time they were sick and what I did, but I now wish I had kept temperature records as well. I never really thought about it. Maybe I should start.

What about you Pelota? Do keep temperature records?



02/10/05  10:44pm
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 #245759


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  Message To: Bandit   In reference to Message Id: 245669


 Best place to read temps

Nope, I don’t keep temperature records, but I do keep feeding, health, shed, bowel movement, and miscellaneous records. Basically anytime something occurs that I think would be useful to have a record of to look back on, I record it. I’ve only had my ball python since August of last year, and already went through a record sheet. I need to print out another one, but my printer sucks. lol

Oh, and from what I’ve heard, seen, read about, etc, ball pythons inhabit the grasslands of the african savannah, so not many trees to climb. Occassionally you’ll find a few in the forest/jungle, but the majority of ball pythons are found in the grasslands looking for rodent burrows to hide in and wait for the occupants to come home so they can have a meal.



02/11/05  12:41am
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 #245823


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  Message To: Pelota   In reference to Message Id: 245759


 Best place to read temps

I had read they were common from West and Central Africa and found in not just the savannah, but also in scrub brush and forested areas. The variation in some ball’s readily climbing and others not really interested in climbing might reflect that? Different habits depending on adaptations to the different environments they inhabit. I guess the individual preferences in the captive bred balls are a hold over from this variability.



02/11/05  04:32am
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