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i got a 20 gallon tank and im about to get a baby ball and i was wondering how long before i hav to change it to a 40 gallon about how long does the snake have to be before i get da 40 gallon???

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help anyone?

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Since you’re going to need a larger enclosure anyway, I would suggest that you get one as soon as possible. Your ball will just be the happier for it. That said, depending on the size of your ball, you could be okay for six months to a year, provided it’s a 20 gallon breeder. A basic rule of thumb is to have an enclosure with your snake’s length and half its length as width as a bare minimum. Floor space matters more than height with this species. I hope this helps.

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i mean when its a baby cause i herd a 20 gallon for a baby and a 40 gallon for adult i just wanted to kno when shoulda i make the change at wa year in his life

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What is supposed to mean?... I gave you the best answer I could, as the rate of growth varies quite a bit among balls depending on feeding schedule, temps, etc. If you’re not happy with the answer you can either say thank you for the feedback and wait for others to reply or perhaps you should simply type the answer you wanted yourself...

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Let me just add that I appreciate the fact you did not use the sort of language you used about your mother on another thread (snakes-general forum), I was not impressed.

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well your problably like 13 years old then but where i live plp dont take and if u dont watch your back u get wats comeing n sry but hav u ever herd of sumthin like a snake being AGAINST a religion well im catholic and i had even asked my preist and still my mother wouldnt listen and thank you for the answers

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In my experince don;t switch your ball python to a 40 gal until it’s around 3 feet because switiching two soon can stress your new python out ( I found out the hard way when i tried switiching my 4 month old to a 35 gal because I thought it would like the space needles to say i had to switch back when she stopped eating and was always striking out at me due to stress). Good luck Nicky

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Makavely, What is " but where i live plp dont take and if u dont watch your back u get wats comeing n sry" supposed to mean? For your information, I am 31 (too old to be intimidated), also Canadian (a peaceful country - where do you live anyway?) and Catholic (there are more dangerous places than Canada for being a Catholic, so please spare me the "where I come from"...-get to know you are talking to first and at least until then, be polite. Who knows, that person could be a friend.) I don’t know if you’ve read my reply in your other post, but I know there is a Christian denomination (the name eludes me, sorry) which handle copperheads as a ritual during mass. I think you should join that denomination lol "sorry mom, my religion asks me to handle serpents" lol There is somewhere in the New Testaments a quote where Jesus says something like if you’re pure you can handle serpents without arm: why not do some Bible reading with your mom? By any means, cool down a bit. Mark

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fine ill take your advice but i realy love snakes and theres only my mom to convince u kno but i see where u r comeing from

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My mom also loathed snakes and besides keeping the one that was given me as a young child, I had to wait until I got to live on my own before owning other snakes. People can be irrational enough about snakes without religion, at least my mom spared me that one. But now that religion is involved, you may have a hard time convincing your mother. Yet, I think it is worth trying. Your mom might mention religion simply because she lacks something better to say. I think the advice given by others on your thread make sense, that is the education part. I would take the following approaches: 1 - Show her by your more-rational-than-hers behaviour that you are responsible enough for that kind of ownership. If she doesn’t believe you, point out how low-maintenance they are compared to dogs or rabbits. I think that anyone who really loves snakes, as a minimum of resources for the set-up and the willingness to observe his snake, do some reading and take action when necessary can properly take care of a snake. 2 - Tell her what she wants to hear when educating her about snakes: that it does not smell, does not make any noise, cannot escape - i.e. with a proper set-up, it’s too easy to describe them as escape artist rather than ackowledging our lack of anticipation; in short the snake will not escape if in a suitable enclosure-, cannot damage the furniture, is ridiculously cheap to feed etc. etc. The only significant expense after initial set-up is electricity (not that much of a difference if you own only one). That one is harder, but try to get her to understand that balls are shy, non-agressive snakes. 3 - As and when she begins to let her guard down, try to elicit her interest & to involve her to the acquisition process. My wife was scared of snakes but I succeeded in convincing her to see a corn snake; after seeing me and another person handle the snake in a cool, relaxed manner while explaining to her such thing as why a snake flicks its tongue (I don’t understand, but it does seem to scare some people, like the tongue itself was venemous lol) and she became willing to handle it. Well, she’s the one who found my ball python and suggested it to me even though she is not actually fond of them. 4 - Be patient. It took your mother a few decades for your mother to become the person she is today and you cannot change that in one evening. Try to show understanding for her concerns and try to address these concerns (reassurance). Give her the benefit of a doubt and approach her assuming that she does her best based on the (mis)information she’s got (that’s what most people do). 5 - As mother are unfortunately not too good at looking at their son as more than their baby -no matter how hard they try- try to enlist the help of others. She might be more willing to listen to someone of her age, an experienced herpetoculturist, a mother etc. No matter how frustrating this could be, try to be understanding, accepting her as the person she is. Let me end this with a little story. The sun and the wind placed a bet on whom could get a coat of a man off his back. The wind blew hard and harder but the man just hung onto his coat. When the sun tried, it only beamed its gentle and warm rays, the man found it hot and took off his coat. I hope this helps. Let me know if I can be of futher assistance.

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Im going to avoid all the hostility and religious references, and just answer your question as best i can. The first ball python i got i set in a 55 gallon tank, and over the years, ive seen no problem with it adjusting to the size of the tank. If anything, its grown into the tank. Now as far as ive learned personally and through friends who’ve owned ball pythons, its best to enlarge their cage once they seem to have outgrown it. For me, the size of the snake completely depends on the surroundings the snake is facing and reacting with. If it seems to be an adequate space, then it probably is, but for most people, if the snake seems to need a larger space, then give it to them. Remember...the snake can never have a space too big. Always give it something that seems larger than it needs, even though it never will be. This gives it more space than needed and an open way to grow. Any more questions, just ask. I hope you find this helpful Repticzone.

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I’m not sure I understand, but let’s clarify things here even if for nothing else than clarity sake. The myth that a snake only grows to the size of its enclosure is exactly that: a myth. Snakes grow all their life, though the rate of growth slows dramatically when they reach adult size. The size of a snake basically depends on two things: feeding opportunities and the ability to thermoregulate. And of course, they grow better if they are free of parasites.

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Hi Mark, I didn’t realize you were a Canook, I’ll try not to hold it against you.lol We have the Primative Baptist here in Alabama, they handle copperheads, rattlers and cotton mouths. Strange bunch of folks. I think they were imported French Canadians. lol Scott

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Thanks Scott. Makavely: your new religious denomination is Primative(sic) Baptists! (No blasphemy intented here)

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yea well white horse all i can say is get a life cuzz this forum is for answers and questions so beat it if all ur here for is to offend others u no life

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yea well white horse all i can say is get a life cuzz this forum is for answers and questions so beat it if all ur here for is to offend others u no life