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Wyland2222 View Profile |
Norbert’s vet visit today
Ok this is what he said.........he is of good weight, good skin tone, nice size, bright and alert, tongue and nose and eyes all normal, no discharges, no mucous etc.........good color per gums and tongue! He was surprised about the pin worms, says they are not usually a dragon problem but a host problem, ie the protein source they are eating, says they usually pass right through the dragon, BUT, there is a kind that could infect them, you would have to know the species of pin it was, found that to be odd, but he said what they saw on the poop, was most likely just in the poop! Did not hurt him to treat him thought. He said the enclose was great, even though it is part pine, the polyurethane that was used to coat it with and the amount of coats (3) and the cure time between coats was fine. The rock ( yes I took a couple pictures of the condo and the rock for him to see) would not cause any problems that he could see, actually everyone in the office had to see the pictures and Norbert, rofl... The red on his belly, he looked at very closely with a powerful light and magnification, is not a burn, not a reaction to anything he does not think, because each scale has a sorta pattern to it, so most probably just a strange pigmentation type of thing, because it also has not changed at all since first discovered. His appetite, he has gained 6 grams since the first, there for he must be eating something, what, we don’t know, because I can not discover anything missing, his diet that I feed him is great, but all I can figure is that maybe he is eating some of the juvie pellets that had been recommended by Sean some time ago. He did feel something inside his abdomen, could be stool in there that has not come out since he is not eating much, could be kidney but he does not think so, because he is so young and there is nothing that should cause a kidney problem in him, they do not have kidneys like we do, theirs are sorta long, instead of like ours kidney shaped. Ok recommendation.............he gave me some critical care (boy gotta find that stuff cheaper someplace, $25 for a 141 gram size bag, but he said it would last a long time, give in 1 B12 injection, he did not do that, as I can get that at work, 5mg per kilogram, given to him under the skin below the head, this should be fun, rofl...............also were gonna try metronidizole on him, but he said to wait on that to see how the critical care does, am to feed him that twice per day, gonna have to figure out how to calculate how much, cause all the bag says is 15 grams per kg of body weight, anybody figure that one out? Let me know, I will call my own vet later when I know the office is not so busy and have her calculate it for me, rofl........oh he is 434 grams today, my scale is in check with theirs cause measured him before we left. The metronidizole was to help push through whatever he was feeling in his abdomen, cause somehow it does something to the gut flora that helps it to work better, it is also an appetite stimulant, not in humans I can tell you that for sure as I have been on it myself and it is vial tasting, but he said it is opposite in dragons, they seem to like it and it does stimulate their appetite. As for para zap, which I have bought, he never heard of it, had not clue if it is good or not, but there is nothing in it that can hurt a dragon, to his knowledge cause is all holistic type stuff and he does not deal in that area. He admits he does not have all the answers, but is also not worried about Norbert. Said he is reaching that age where they change, and when I told him that he has done things earlier than any other dragons I know, he just shrugged his shoulders and said, yeah well they are all different! If this critical care does not get him eating and pooping we will try the metranidizole. He also showed me how to get their mouths open, wish I had taken a camera to show you, but basically you grab them under the chin, forget what he called that area, but the fleshy part that they beard up with, and then pull down gently while pulling up on the top jaw, oh they fight it, but after a few tries it worked great, this is good info to know and was good to see how it was done. So there you have it, I will get the b12 from my office on Monday and give it to him, but am starting the critical care today. Over all my husbandry is great, my foods are great, my protein choice is great, and he is a nice size, not skinny, not fat. He was such a good boy, and did not even stress at all. I will still do a fecal on him when he finally does poop, but oh yeah, the thing he felt in the abdomen was not that large at all, which is why he does not think he is impacted in any way, just thinks he is not eating enough to move it out. Hope this helps others who are having similar problems with their beardies, but not meant to be your diagnosis, I recommend a vet visit to anyone who has any doubts or concerns, as I did. Trish |
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| 05/09/08 10:52am |
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Dragon Lover View Profile |
Message To: Wyland2222 In reference to Message Id: 1730202 Norbert’s vet visit today
What is the B12 for? And, why are you gonna force feed him if he is looking good and gaining weight? I tell you, this is a normal type of action for the beardies. All my guys don’t eat like they used to. They are healthy and gaining weight. My vet said it is perfectly normal. That stuff that he wants you to force feed him is pure protein, isn’t it? It’s used for dragons who are in very poor health. In fact, it was given to us to give to Obi when he was so sick. You know the protein can cause major kidney and liver problems and that is why they slow themselves down. They know their body. They are animals and in tune with their body and nature so much more so than we are. He is probably eating, but you don’t see it because they only eat a few bites of the greens a day. This is perfectly normal. It’s like humans, we just don’t eat like when we were teenagers. Ok, some might, but not most. lol Edel |
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| 05/09/08 11:14am |
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Yoshi55 View Profile |
Message To: Dragon Lover In reference to Message Id: 1730218 Norbert’s vet visit today
Take care and take a breather! You will be fine and so will he!! :) |
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| 05/09/08 12:32pm |
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Dinkanber View Profile |
Message To: Yoshi55 In reference to Message Id: 1730280 Norbert’s vet visit today
Glad everything is normal |
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| 05/09/08 12:54pm |
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Yeroc62 View Profile |
Message To: Dinkanber In reference to Message Id: 1730287 Norbert’s vet visit today
Denise |
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| 05/09/08 02:00pm |
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Wyland2222 View Profile |
Message To: Yeroc62 In reference to Message Id: 1730331 Norbert’s vet visit today
Lisa, The Pine was because hub did not hear me say no pine when he was buying the material for the condo, and it was not until it was built and in the house and the dragons were in it that I myself found out there was pine in it. But the Dr said it was fine, because of the amount of polyurethane that was applied to it, 3 coats cured for 3 days between each coat, if I had know what he was buying I would have stopped him anyway, but now I know for sure it is ok. Yes Denise I do feel better about things but he did not do blood work, he said he did not feel it was needed to put him through the stress of getting it, BUT, if he does not eat, then he does want blood work, because of the lump. Edel I do understand your stance on if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, but if this is only going to be for a few days and it gets him jump started enough to poop, what harm can it do. I do know what the stuff is for. And it is 16% protein, but it is 21 to 16% fiber also, once he poops, then I can feel his tummy again and see if I still feel the lump, what if it is his kidney? I mean young he is yes, but I have seen young animals have problems in cats and dogs, it happens, and with the problem I had with one of my cats, that was an anomaly, almost never happens to cats and could not be fixed, why take that chance? Why not give him this, let him eat better for a few days poop and know for sure it is not a kidney, then go back to just having a dragon that does not eat, I mean he has not pooped in 3 weeks, so he is not eating enough to poop, could it be poop inside causing him to gain weight? He even said, if you were using sand I would be worried about impaction with this lump. So see my thoughts on this? And I only give it to him twice per day, so giving him this through the weekend, if he poops I won’t do the b12 shot anyway, never planned to if he poops and eats. Hope all this makes sense to everyone and that it explains why I am going to do this. Trish Oh and the cat that was born with the birth defect, yeah he died at the age of 2. |
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| 05/09/08 03:03pm |
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Breeder View Profile |
Message To: Wyland2222 In reference to Message Id: 1730368 Norbert’s vet visit today
:) |
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| 05/09/08 03:52pm |
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Yeroc62 View Profile |
Message To: Breeder In reference to Message Id: 1730425 Norbert’s vet visit today
Quote: Hope all this makes sense to everyone and that it explains why I am going to do this.
Trish, the important thing right now is to get Norbert to poop. There’s no need to explain anything to any of us. I hope that the lump is nothing and that it goes away when he finally poops. I don’t know much about calculating the dose for the critical care....all I know is that for Victor’s weight, 108 grams, he gets 1 ml (cc) twice a day. Not sure if that helps you, but that’s how they dosed it for me. Will be keeping you and Norbert in my prayers this weekend. *sigh* Never in my life did I imagine that I would pray for POOP!!! LOL Love ya, Denise |
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| 05/09/08 04:30pm |
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Wyland2222 View Profile |
Message To: Yeroc62 In reference to Message Id: 1730471 Norbert’s vet visit today
I hope everyone understands why I am doing this, and is supportive of my decision. Trish |
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| 05/09/08 04:49pm |
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Breeder View Profile |
Message To: Wyland2222 In reference to Message Id: 1730499 Norbert’s vet visit today
Quote: Thanks Jonah for trying anyway, rofl........
LOL!!! How did you come up with 7.5 from....er...um...my retarted number lol. Quote: I hope everyone understands why I am doing this, and is supportive of my decision.
I don’t understand but I do support. lol. :) |
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| 05/09/08 04:57pm |
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Chrlea View Profile |
Message To: Breeder In reference to Message Id: 1730507 Norbert’s vet visit today
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| 05/09/08 06:33pm |
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Yoshi55 View Profile |
Message To: Chrlea In reference to Message Id: 1730584 Norbert’s vet visit today
Lauren~ :) |
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| 05/09/08 06:41pm |
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Wyland2222 View Profile |
Message To: Yoshi55 In reference to Message Id: 1730592 Norbert’s vet visit today
Thank you for your support and kind words, I appreciate that very much. And yes it would only be a few feedings with his regular food as well, just to be sure the lump is nothing more than stool, but now I am having second thought about it since everyone else seems so against it, just can’t believe a vet would give me something that would hurt him..............so gonna think about this a bit more, do some research tomorrow and then decide. But again thank you so much, you made me feel very good. Trish |
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| 05/09/08 09:49pm |
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Wyland2222 View Profile |
Message To: Breeder In reference to Message Id: 1730507 Norbert’s vet visit today
Quote: LOL!!! How did you come up with 7.5 from....er...um...my retarted number lol.
I didn’t from your number, went and called the vet back, roflmao.................
Trish And thank you also for understanding why I wanted to do it the vets way, but like I said, now I have to do some research before I decide what I am going to do....... Trish |
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| 05/09/08 09:58pm |
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Yoshi55 View Profile |
Message To: Wyland2222 In reference to Message Id: 1730741 Norbert’s vet visit today
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| 05/09/08 10:13pm |
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Wyland2222 View Profile |
Message To: Yoshi55 In reference to Message Id: 1730759 Norbert’s vet visit today
I have the parazap already, got it this week but did not want to use it till after the vet visit and I do plan to use it, just not sure when. You have been very kind, thank you Trish |
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| 05/09/08 10:18pm |
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Mastiffgrrl View Profile |
Message To: Wyland2222 In reference to Message Id: 1730766 Norbert’s vet visit today
I had a fecal done at 8months and he was clear, and now he eats and poops....it’s just mostly bugs! :) Yay for Norbie! D |
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| 05/10/08 01:32am |
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