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 #1907693


Krusty
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 WTF?

Does this just look like something that should NOT be propagated or am I crazy? It looks sad to me, not something desirable. Opinions?

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12/01/08  07:14pm

 #1907696


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   Message To: Krusty   In reference to Message Id: 1907693


 WTF?

Here’s another one. Yuck.

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12/01/08  07:25pm

 #1907839


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   Message To: Krusty   In reference to Message Id: 1907696


 WTF?

.... oh man.
I’ve seen a few of those before, i think one on Dachiu.. but..
WOw. that thing looks miserable.. like it was burnt n had all the skin and scales fall off.
Except it was born to look that way.
I think its sick how people breed them this way..

Its going to far..
Why can’t people just be happy with what nature gave us?
I mean this is seriously some sick frankeinstein creation.

Poor dragon.
They should NOT sell them and quit breeding them this way.

Thanks for the thread.


Lisa
12/01/08  11:55pm

 #1907884


Krusty
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   Message To: Cappy8   In reference to Message Id: 1907839


 WTF?

Thanks for your opinion. I just look at some of these "morphs" and this is an animal that will have skin problems for certain. I can’t imagine what a female’s nape/shoulders would look like after a male chomped down on it to breed for a week. I don’t think it should be intentionally bred despite whatever dollar amount they may fetch because I call this a flaw, not a cool trait.



12/02/08  05:24am

 #1908601


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   Message To: Krusty   In reference to Message Id: 1907884


 WTF?

I agree Krusty,
It looks like its turning out to be popular, but its dangerous for the poor animal. One breeding, and gaping wounds will be left open...
Here is a way to think when looking at silkies...
The spikes are the hair. The dragon went completely BALD..
I agree with Cappy8 too. I like what nature gave us, They are cool that way, I hate the silkies. They really are frankenstein creations... They NEED TO STOP...

Matt
12/03/08  03:26pm

 #1908628


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   Message To: Awesomeness   In reference to Message Id: 1908601


 WTF?

iv seen these a lot now and although it does not look right, it is interesting. i have heard that nothing is wrong with them and they live perfectly fine( with out breeding i assume) but i cant trust these sources 100%

i would think that they would dehydrate quickly but i don’t know

i do like the leatherbacks though i checked one out at a show a few months ago

im not supporting OR condemning the silkies in anyway

anyway that was my 2 cents
12/03/08  04:09pm

 #1910355


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   Message To: Bluedahlia   In reference to Message Id: 1908628


 WTF?

We humans have always messed with nature, and as you know nature is a root of natural..... I think the female dragon in the first pic is a pretty dragon. But the male looks somewhat malformed in the head or something. He does not look right to me. Please don’t think I am condoning this but if breeders are going to breed them I hope like hell there is someone who will care for them diligently and give them good lives....I wish I understood more about genetics and how in the hell we got from a regular bearded dragon to this.... Take care all Beth
12/06/08  10:20pm

 #1910357


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   Message To: BeardiePal   In reference to Message Id: 1910355


 WTF?



Now this one looks fat, happy, and healthy....Beth
12/06/08  10:23pm

 #1912093


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   Message To: BeardiePal   In reference to Message Id: 1910357


 WTF?

They definitely aren’t for everybody :)
12/10/08  10:17am

 #1912872


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   Message To: SBD11   In reference to Message Id: 1912093


 WTF?

Without their scales, they dont have a lot protection against the sun. I’ve been told that you have to use moisturizing lotion on them frequently to keep their skin soft and undamaged.
They look like a poor burn victim to me, their colors are brilliant but is it worth it?



12/11/08  04:50pm

 #1913167


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   Message To: NikkE   In reference to Message Id: 1912872


 WTF?

jesus, what the hell? I’ve never seen or heard of these before. And I prey to god that I never Do again! Just looking at them, It looks like a sunburn or deformity, which discusts me. Ugh, this has officially ruined my day!
12/11/08  10:23pm

 #1913432


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   Message To: Krusty   In reference to Message Id: 1907693


 WTF?

Krusty,

As you know, I’m a fan of morphs as long as the trait does not have a negative impact on the health of the animal.

I purchased the silkie in the attached pictures, out of curiosity, less than a year ago. AC Reptiles sold me the animal. I asked the owner numerous times, and have the e-mails from her, if silkies require and special care. Her answer was "no" they’re just like normal BD’s.

As soon as I received him I realized that she had not been honest with me. The silkie was skinny and the tail and toes had stuck shed and blisters. I sent her an e-mail explaining these problems. She was now more forth coming as she had her money. She explained that she forgot to mention that during a shed they require that neosporin be rubbed on their tails and toes daily. She also let me know that they could not be put on dirt or sand as their skin was too fragile. In addition, she said that they could only handle UVB for brief periods. I expressed my displeasure and she went silent on me.

I finally gave this animal away, free of charge, to a breeder who thought he could care for it. I just don’t have the time to moisturize my animals on a daily bases! This breeder has also struggled with the silkie morph.

This morph needs to go away. I’m a fan of the leatherbacks, different colors, etc., but these are truly born unhealthy. Stay as far away from this morph as possible and do not support those who breed and sell them. It’s actually cruel.






12/12/08  02:02pm

 #1913619


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   Message To: 3240   In reference to Message Id: 1913432


 WTF?

I also like the morphs and have many (leucistics, reds, partial leatherbacks, and a translucent on the way), but IMO if it can’t breed and function like a normal bearded dragon, then the trait shouldn’t be breed for.

Dillon
12/12/08  07:24pm

 #1913809


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   Message To: Dill Dragon   In reference to Message Id: 1913619


 WTF?

I agree 100% Dillon. I’ve seen some morphs that concern me for a variety of reasons, but so far this one has been the worst.
12/13/08  01:23am

 #1918992


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   Message To: 3240   In reference to Message Id: 1913809


 WTF?

Thanks John for confirming my suspicions. I didn’t know you ever had any ’silkies’ from other forum conversations, etc. I s/w a dragon breeder at an expo about them and they are nothing but health/skin issues from her perspective as well. But she didn’t want to step on any toes, as they say. A dragon that will develop skin tears from bites, blisters and stuck shed on toes and tail tips, and cannot live on dirt or sand ???

No thanks. I’ll keep my 5K and stick to the pretty ones that are healthy.
12/22/08  08:26pm

 #1919057


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   Message To: Krusty   In reference to Message Id: 1918992


 WTF?

WOW !!!!!!! unreal man wtf why //? it looks like they took a torch to it .how would that breed with out ripping a chunk off .sorry guys iam new to this room but i’ve seen this up close and its not one i would breed .along with the herps & birds i breed hairless dogs so i know strange but they dont drag each other around by the neck ..DOES this breed tru or what not much info out there that i’ve seen? now that i got that out hi HI HI HI HI GUYS I IM A NICE PERSON BUT SOME THINGS BOTHER ME. SO SORRY IF I STEPED ON ANY TOES .I just got back in to bd long rest so i thought i would try the net ,nice to see there still dragon crazy people out their . any one in A.Z.?



12/22/08  09:51pm

 #1924074


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   Message To: CC CRIS   In reference to Message Id: 1919057


 WTF?

Maybe this is something that interests many...perhaps if it was something that was perfected...then it would be ok with everyone...a responsible, dedicated breeder could do this...you guys surprise me...with your interests in the reds, the leatherbacks, the little dragon that is exceptional...I don’t know guys...please don’t berate me...I think with the proper research by someone who is dedicated & responsible, with a realistic, compassionate care can do this...B
12/31/08  09:24pm

 #1924456


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   Message To: BeardiePal   In reference to Message Id: 1924074


 WTF?

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say as your post is hard to decipher. Do what? Perfect the "silkie?"

The morphs that you mention can all live like BD’s. The silkies can not.



01/01/09  03:21pm

 #1924585


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   Message To: 3240   In reference to Message Id: 1924456


 WTF?

I guess I am saying that it is human nature to mess with nature. Thats just the way it is. I myself think that the Daichu silkback is gorgeous. The other 2 look like . I am sorry but I do not know the husbandry required for silkbacks. If people want silkbacks they are going to have them. We cannot change curiosity. Lets just hope someone figures out how to make them thrive and give them the optimal husbandry required for them to survive. I think all research is started with casualities, and less than optimal results until the day comes when they are a strong reptile. Thanks everyone...I heard you get a silkback from breeding 2 leatherbacks...is this true? Were leatherbacks always resilient? Thanks. Beth
01/01/09  07:28pm

 #1924669


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   Message To: BeardiePal   In reference to Message Id: 1924585


 WTF?

I was also very curious, that’s why I purchased mine. The leatherbacks are very robust and can be housed just like a BD. I like morphs but I draw the line when a morph will cause chronic health problems. If you want a BD that must be kept on paper towel and develops blisters during shedding than this morph is for you. Here’s a quote from the breeder who sold me mine, "apply neosporin on their tails to aid shedding." Not only did I have to apply it to his tail but also his legs and feet.
01/01/09  09:05pm

 #1926488


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   Message To: 3240   In reference to Message Id: 1924669


 WTF?

wow
01/04/09  07:13pm

 #1926897


Krusty
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   Message To: PiGeOnLoVeR   In reference to Message Id: 1926488


 WTF?

Beth - if it’s a constant challenge to keep them alive and not blistered up and having all digits ... then WHY would someone have the desire to produce more of them? Call me crazy, but having to baby them along their entire 15 year lifespan with Neosporin treatments, keeping them on soft towels and not being able to let males and females interact ... I just don’t see the point (even if you could physically pull it off with hours of care and attention). This is essentially breeding and selling a ’crippled’ animal intentionally. I have issues with that, don’t care how ’cool’ they look. They are not naturally healthy and will have issues. So all these folks "producing" them are going to do what with the lucrative offspring .... sell them and say they do fine. Which they don’t. There was an inbred line of Leucistics that had/have vision problems as well. It seems quite unethical to intentionally breed and sell babies that have vision troubles. Maybe we could poke at them with our fingers until they "beard up" and then drop crickets in their open mouths. Could this be done? ... sure. Will this be done daily x over a decade? ... H3ll No!

Leatherbacks x Leatherbacks can get you a small percentage of Silkbacks but I believe it’s not a dominant/recessive trait, but rather a codominant. Leatherbacks do just fine in normal set ups with dirt, heat, other dragons etc. It’s just the silkbacks that have all the issues with fragile skin and tail/digits being at constant risk of amputation.
01/05/09  04:43pm

 #1927019


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   Message To: Krusty   In reference to Message Id: 1926897


 WTF?

there is a solution someone i no made that u soak the dragon in when it is shedding and the shed will come rite off when the dragon dries.

jeff hunter
01/05/09  07:27pm

 #1927034


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   Message To: Pure hate   In reference to Message Id: 1927019


 WTF?

Hey Krusty...I am not saying that it should be done...I am just saying that it is obviously being done...and perhaps a responsible person will find the solution to these issues. Take care all, Beth
01/05/09  07:45pm

 #1927163


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   Message To: Pure hate   In reference to Message Id: 1927019


 WTF?

Jeff,

Been there done that. It doesn’t work. Also, the blisters don’t seem to be related to shedding issues. They’re caused by the incredibly fragile nature of the skin.

As I said above, I’m a morph guy. However, this morph is cruel and needs to go away. Look at the silkies available on KS. They look terribly unhealthy.
01/05/09  11:57pm


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