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 #218626


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What would be a better combo: an orange german giant(female) with a super tangerine x blood/ flame(male) or an orange german giant(female) with a super tangerine x red/ citrus(male)? I am planning to breed.



01/10/05  11:07pm
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 #219443


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anybody... anybody... also what would make really good colors for kinda cheap (up to $175)?



01/11/05  9:30pm
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 #221326


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Either one is going to produce a primarily orange dragon. You’re never going to get $175 for them though, maybe more like $75 if you’re lucky. For that price range you need to be doing pure bloods (maybe), pure snows, pure citrus, etc and they better be outstanding colors. Also as an unknown you can’t expect to get the money that people like dragons den get even if you’re doing the same bloodlines.

Sean



01/14/05  1:03am
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 #221825


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  Message To: Heartmountain   In reference to Message Id: 221326


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no I asked for any good color morphs for up to $175. i didn’t mean $175 for the offspring, although that would be nice. thanks for the help, that was my second choice, my first choice was a pair of super red or orange beardies. i would still like to know a good color morph for breeding. also i was thinking what would be best choice for breeding: bearded dragons, frilled dragons, or chameleons (could only choose one).



01/14/05  6:31pm
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 #221843


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I’ll tell you the same thing I tell everyone, breed the animals and colors you like, if you don’t like them it’s a complete waste of time. Now if you like all of them equally and your asking what is the better investment, leucistics and translucents are at the top of the market right now and should hold their value for a few years. They are both simple recessive traits and recessive traits tend to hold their value longer. Out of beardies, frilleds, or chams I’d go with beardies. Frilleds take up a lot of space to house properly and chams are really fragile (you can kill the things by looking at them funny).

Sean



01/14/05  6:52pm
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 #221876


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  Message To: Heartmountain   In reference to Message Id: 221843


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yeah I know chams are fragile and frilleds are space consuming and luecistics and translucents are expensive. all of them have some knid of defaults kinda like "to good to be true". well i’ll keep reading and posting and come up with a decision. i got a black throat monitor two weeks ago for christmas and this will be kind of a b-day (thursday) present i have to buy. thanks.



01/14/05  7:17pm
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 #221879


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  Message To: Buttsavage   In reference to Message Id: 221876


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You could always go with hets also, it’s a good way to get into the expensive stuff without dropping too much money in the beginning.

Sean



01/14/05  7:20pm
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 #221890


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  Message To: Heartmountain   In reference to Message Id: 221879


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yeah i always see hets everywhere on the internet for exceptionally good price but i don’t really know what that means. for example, i see this really good deal for this beardie with a low price and think... what’s the catch... know what i mean?



01/14/05  7:30pm
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 #221903


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i forgot to write this. what are hets/ what does it mean?



01/14/05  7:37pm
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 #221917


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Het means heterozygos (sp?). It’s when you breed a simple recessive trait to an animal that doesn’t have the recessive trait. All of the offspring will look like the animal w/o the trait but will carry it. If you breed 2 hets together you will get 25% of the offspring showing the recessive trait and the remaining 75% will be 66% possible het. It’s a little confusing but if you do a google on reptile genetics you should be able to find something that explains it better than I can.

Sean



01/14/05  7:51pm
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 #221922


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  Message To: Heartmountain   In reference to Message Id: 221917


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thanks you’ve been a big help



01/14/05  7:54pm
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 #221928


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hey sean i took your advice and read a litte on hets. one more quick question... if i bought a pair of hets for luecistic and bred them i would most likely or certainly come up with at least one luecistic?



01/14/05  8:02pm
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 #221950


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If they are full 100% hets then you would get 25% of the offspring leucistic. If they are 66% het then you’re taking a chance. Something is either het or it’s not, when refered to as 66% the breeder is refering to the clutch not the individual.

Sean



01/14/05  8:23pm
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 #221962


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  Message To: Heartmountain   In reference to Message Id: 221950


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i think i’m going to take the risk being priced priced as low as they are. thanks again, you really helped me a lot.



01/14/05  8:35pm
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