Your Reptile and Amphibian Resource and Information Site

Back to Bearded Dragons-General Forum   Forums   Home   Members Area  

Bearded Dragons-General Forum

Hehoo   Yoshi55   Hehoo   Broken Lioness   Hehoo   Dragon Lover   Bama Beardies   Dragon Lover  
 Member  Message

 #1719306


Hehoo
View Profile





 Eating spiders?

Since daddy long leg spiders are supposed to be so poisonous, would it be very bad if a baby beardie ate one? Mine hasn’t, but there are a lot of them around, and Boodah is a very curious, very hungry little man. So do I need to worry about this if it happens?



04/28/08  06:05pm

 #1719381


Yoshi55
View Profile



  Message To: Hehoo   In reference to Message Id: 1719306


 Eating spiders?

Yeah, dont feed him those. I wouldnt even try to feed him spiders. They arent very nutritious and the daddy long legs are the most poisionous spiders but their fangs are too small to penetrate. BUT, if he did eat the spider we dont know if the poison would hurt the beardie..so I wouldnt!!!



04/28/08  06:45pm

 #1720162


Hehoo
View Profile



  Message To: Yoshi55   In reference to Message Id: 1719381


 Eating spiders?

I know about their fangs being too small, and I don’t TRY to feed him anything really that I don’t buy. Boodah is fat though, and eats about anything he wanders across, so I was wondering.



04/29/08  03:25pm

 #1721579


Broken Lioness
View Profile



  Message To: Yoshi55   In reference to Message Id: 1719381


 Eating spiders?

I was wondering the same thing. Actually, I am glad you brought this up...
As far as ’daddy long legs’ or ’cellar spiders’ being poisonous or the ’most’ poisonous... there was never actually a study of this so it may not be true... old wives tale and all...



04/30/08  09:22pm

 #1721695


Hehoo
View Profile



  Message To: Broken Lioness   In reference to Message Id: 1721579


 Eating spiders?

Inquiring minds want to know ...



04/30/08  10:41pm

 #1721782


Dragon Lover
View Profile



  Message To: Hehoo   In reference to Message Id: 1721695


 Eating spiders?

The most venomous spider in the world is the Brazilian wandering spider also known under its Latin name Phoneutria nigriventer. The venom from the Brazilian wandering spider is so toxic, that 0.006 mg. of its venom kills a mouse.

There are only a few spiders in the world that are truly poisonous. Some spiders may be poisonous to some animals but only a few are poisonous to humans.

Black widows are by far the most common poisonous spider bite in the United States. They spin an irregular web in crevices and dark places. They have long legs and dark, black bodies. The female is the poisonous one, the male is smaller with no marking and harmless. The female’s distinctive marking is a red hourglass shape on her abdomen.
The venom of a black widow spider is said to be 15 times more poisonous than a rattlesnake. Places these spiders are found include, but not limited to: garages, wood piles, and any dark secluded places. Often a person is bitten when reaching underneath or behind something. Always use caution when cleaning old dark places. Turn things over with something else. When bitten, sometimes the initial bite is painless. Pain maximizes about 1 to 3 hours after the bite. There is local pain and swelling, perhaps redness. The venom causes muscle cramping. So there will also probably be some cramping, and possibly nausea and vomiting. There can also be difficulty breathing. Black widow bites can even be fatal, however less than one percent of these bites result in death.
When bitten you must seek medical attention. At home, you can apply an ice pack and some alcohol or peroxide before going to the hospital. Then try to catch the spider safely and take it with you to the hospital for identification. Spider bites are rarely fatal. Bites of non-poisonous spiders usually cause no reaction at all.

The Brown Recluse Spider is another one of the most poisonous spiders. Its danger is primarily in tissue damage. Its poison kills the cells and tissue at the bite. After applying ice and alcohol, seek medical attention. Again try to safely contain the culprit for identification. The initial bite is usually painful, but it becomes very painful within several hours. Again this makes it more dangerous because the damage is being done. The recluse is also called the violin spider because of its distinctive "violin shaped" marking on it’s back. These spiders can be found in dark places as well. They don’t like to be disturbed and will run as well, unless antagonized.

Hobo Spider - Venemous and dangerous. Although the bite of the hobo spider is initially painless, the bite can be serious. After 24 hours, the bite develops into a blister and after 24-36 hours, the blister breaks open, leaving an open, oozing ulceration. Typically when the venom is injected, the victim will experience an immediate redness, which develops around the bite. The most common reported symptom is severe headache. Other symptoms can include nausea, weakness, fatigue, temporary memory loss and vision impairment. In any case, first aid and medical attention should be sought, if bitten, as and when any adverse health effects are observed.
they are brown in color and the adults measure roughly 1/3 to 2/3 inch in body length and 2/3 to 2 inches in leg span. Their abdomens have several chevron shaped markings. Males are distinctively different from females in that they have two large palpi (mouth parts) that look like boxing gloves. Females tend to have a larger and rounder abdomen when compared to males.

Mouse Spiders ...venomous - painful bite known to cause severe illness, especially to young children - similar to Red-Back Spider. Although normally not aggressive, the male mouse spider will bite if provoked, and should be considered dangerous to humans. It has large hard fangs which can cause a deep painful bite. First aid and medical attention (ambulance) should be sought as soon as possible.
a medium to large spider of up to 1 and 1/2 inches in body length. The male Mouse Spider often has a bright red head and elongated fangs.

Black House Spiders ...venomous - nausea the bite of the Black House Spider is poisonous but not lethal. Certain people bitten experience severe pain around the bite site, heavy sweating, muscular pains, vomiting, headaches and giddiness. First aid and medical attention (ambulance) should be sought as soon as possible.
adults are about 1/2 inch in body length and of a dark brown to black velvet textured appearance.

Wolf Spiders ...venomous - non-aggressive the bite of the Wolf Spider is poisonous but not lethal. Although non-aggressive, they bite freely if provoked and should be considered dangerous to humans. The bite may be very painful. First aid and medical attention should be sought as soon as possible, particularly as to children or the elderly.
an adult is 1/2 inch to more than 1 inch in body length - mottled gray to brown in color, with a distinct Union Jack impression on its back. The female carries it’s young on its back.




Daddy Long Legs:
There is no scientific basis for the supposition that they are deadly poisonous and there is no reason to assume that it is true.
In 2004, the Discovery Channel show MythBusters set out to test the daddy long-legs myth (season 1, episode 13 "Buried in Concrete"). After measuring the spider’s fangs at approximately 0.25 mm (average human skin thickness varies from about 0.5mm to 4mm), the show’s host was apparently bitten, although the bite produced little more than a mild short-lived burning sensation. This appears to confirm the suspicion that pholcids can penetrate human skin, but that their venom is practically harmless to humans. Additionally, recent research by Alan Van Dyke has shown that pholcid venom is actually relatively weak in its effects on insects as well.

According to the University of California at Riverside, the daddy long-legs spider has never harmed a human and there is no proof that they are poisonous to humans.

daddy-long-legs kill and eat other spiders, including Redback Spiders whose venom CAN be fatal to humans. Perhaps this is the origin of the rumour that daddy-long-legs are the most venomous spiders in the world. It might be argued that if they can kill a deadly spider, they must be even more deadly themselves, but daddy-long-legs only need to be quicker to bite, not more venomous.



05/01/08  12:05am

 #1722112


Bama Beardies
View Profile



  Message To: Dragon Lover   In reference to Message Id: 1721782


 Eating spiders?

Brown Recluse spiders are mainly found in the south, but your info is a little off. Very rarely would you ever feel the initial bite of a recluse. Its pretty much painless untill the itching starts. It can take several days to a week to see real sings of a bite. first couple of days its not much more then a mosquito bite. Ive said all this before.. not here tho. Some people tried to argue that i dont know what im talking about. well i do. Ive had 6 recluse bites since i moved down here 6 years ago. If it left a hole in my skin.. imagine what it could do to a beardie. -Jay



05/01/08  11:59am

 #1722143


Dragon Lover
View Profile



  Message To: Bama Beardies   In reference to Message Id: 1722112


 Eating spiders?

Wow, six bites? OUCH!!!!

I just went onto google and got this. I figured since,

Quote:

Inquiring minds want to know ...

why not google it. LOL I really don’t know much about spiders. I do know now that I will look at them a bit differently and be a bit more careful. LOL

I have been bittern or stung or whatever you call it by a daddy long legs. Just got a red bump that went away in a week or so.

Edel



05/01/08  12:30pm


Back to Bearded Dragons-General Forum   Forums   Home   Members Area