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 #2086502


Raven Mune
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 A couple more Q’s...

Hi again. Went on a light search.. Found the Reptisun 10.0 tubes at Petco, But they were 24", and the only tube fixture they have is a Zilla brand 18" with tube (50 desert). Is Zilla brand ok? ’Cause that set is only $39.99 for the fixture and tube.. Checked petsmart too, and they only had Zilla brand tubes, and no fixtures.
Also, are Ficcus leaves ok for beardies to eat? Don’t worry, haven’t tried them yet.. Just curious ’cause he stares at mine alot.

Thanks in advance people...



10/20/09  05:41pm

 #2086643


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  Message To: Raven Mune   In reference to Message Id: 2086502


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no dont get the zilla brand

just go to walmart and get any fixture for those kind of bulbs(just make sure to remove any plastic covering) they usually cost around $10

and i think ficus is safe but wait til someone else comes on and confirms this



10/20/09  09:45pm

 #2086661


Raven Mune
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  Message To: Lovetheleo   In reference to Message Id: 2086643


 A couple more Q’s...

k thanks... Does anyone know what wattage the Reptisun 10.0 linear tube is so I can get the right fixture?



10/20/09  10:04pm

 #2086666


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  Message To: Raven Mune   In reference to Message Id: 2086661


 A couple more Q’s...

I believe that the wattage of a Reptisun 10.0 bulb is 26 watts.

All ficus have milky sap in their leaves and stems that is toxic; do not feed it to anything.

-tpau15



10/20/09  10:14pm

 #2086761


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  Message To: Tpau15   In reference to Message Id: 2086666


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no i am pretty sure ficus is safe

i just looked it up and it says that ficus is safe

and i remember when i was getting plants for my chameleon ficus was reccomended to use

idk



10/21/09  01:58am

 #2086835


Cphill58
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  Message To: Lovetheleo   In reference to Message Id: 2086761


 A couple more Q’s...

Raven ...
I don’t know if this will help or confuse you more...
Regarding tube lights ( fluorescents)

All tube lights are categorized by a size indicated by a T- and #
T-12 , T-8 , T-5

The T-12 are the fattest tubes typically seen in garage / store lighting ...and even the kitchen behind the plastic panels in the ceiling...T-12 bulbs are usually about 40 watts give or take. And the fixtutre for them is as well...A T-12 fixture will always work for a T- 12 bulb.

They came out with T-8’s to save energy...and America is rapidly converting to T-8 everywhere...I know because I have tried in vain to get new fixtures and they are discontinuing the T-12’s...phasing them out. They are making it hard to get at the rock bottom prices I was used to.

So a T-8 bulb saves energy by using 32-34 watts and providing just as much light ... Again , the T-8 fixture will be good and rated for any T-8 bulb...a bit more pricey ...I think it’s a scam ...as the industry knows that they are forcing us to buy / convert. It is a nice set up after the shock wears off.

Make sure you get the proper length for your application.

T-5’s are the real skinny (pinky finger) size and are only good for desk lamps and other weird applications. Do Not get a T-5 light.... very hard to find and replace ....

It seems that the reptile lighting retailers don’t want anyone to know this info .....I have to always read the fine print to determine what is standard information on normal tube bulbs. Read the print and bulb info closely.

You will see this makes sense some day...hopefully it will serve you well.



10/21/09  09:36am

 #2086840


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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 2086835


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Actually, I have a 24" T-8 UV light and it is 17 watts. The wattage usually depends on the length of the bulb. But don’t get Zilla, the low price is tempting but the quality and consistency of the light isn’t going to compare with the higher priced better brands. Have you considered an MVB light? You only need one fixture then. :-)

Cody



10/21/09  09:44am

 #2087150


Raven Mune
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  Message To: Lone Wolf   In reference to Message Id: 2086840


 A couple more Q’s...

Thanks everybody... And Cphill58- I think I get it.. thanks... Petco just got some reptisun fixtures for their 18" tubes, BUT they don’t include a bulb, and the only Tube bulbs they carry are 24". Doesn’t that figure?

Lone wolf- I considered the MVB, but was informed by some people on here, that it would be to bright for my "Lizard Critter" since he/she is only about 7-8 weeks old now, (about 3 1/2 - 4 inches counting the tail) and is presently in a 10 gallon tank... When he’s a little bigger I’m moving him up to a 65 gallon tall... Will the tube setup still work after he/she is moved to the larger tank?



10/21/09  07:24pm

 #2087153


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  Message To: Raven Mune   In reference to Message Id: 2087150


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an mvb is fine for all ages but not all tank sizes(needs at least a 40 breeder(36x18x18 inches)

once she is moved up to the larger tank an mvb would be great



10/21/09  07:28pm

 #2087158


Raven Mune
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  Message To: Lovetheleo   In reference to Message Id: 2087153


 A couple more Q’s...

ok.. so the tube for now, and the MVB in the big tank.. But Would the tube light still work for the bigger tank, in case I don’t have the funds for the MVB and its fixture when that time comes?



10/21/09  07:36pm

 #2087173


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  Message To: Raven Mune   In reference to Message Id: 2087158


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It all depends, UVB lights, especially the tube type have varying effective UV ranges. The farthest you want your tube type UV light to be from the ground or log, stick or whatever is 12", after that it’s putting out such a minimal amount of UV it would be pretty much useless. :-)

Cody



10/21/09  07:51pm

 #2087202


Raven Mune
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  Message To: Lone Wolf   In reference to Message Id: 2087173


 A couple more Q’s...

Oh.. So if I make the basking spot in the larger tank closer to the MVB tube, that would work? Do the MVB bulbs have a longer range than the tubes? is that why I was told the bulb would be too strong for that tank size and beardie age?



10/21/09  08:39pm

 #2087219


Lovetheleo
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  Message To: Raven Mune   In reference to Message Id: 2087202


 A couple more Q’s...

usually with the tube bulbs you want them to be able to get 6-8 inches to the bulb

but with an mvb they need to be at least 12 inches away

mvb bulbs put out alot more uvb and usually get alot hotter than normal basking bulbs

just use the tube bulb until you need to replace it(they only last about 6 months)
and mvb last over a year



10/21/09  09:27pm

 #2087250


Cphill58
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  Message To: Lovetheleo   In reference to Message Id: 2087219


 A couple more Q’s...

Quote:

Actually, I have a 24" T-8 UV light and it is 17 watts


Yes, Cody you are right ....each length will be watteage specific.......sorry I am used to 48" tubes and enclosures.

None the less a fixture will be rated for the length of the tube...and as long as the T factor of the bulb and fixture are the same it will all work out. Almost fool proof.

Lovetheleo... I want to kindly disagree with you about the 6 month life on the reptisun 10.0’s .... they will last up to 10 months ... I will refer to the packaging and NANCY for that information... the 5.0’s are more in line with the 6 month life span.

Cp



10/21/09  10:40pm

 #2087251


Lovetheleo
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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 2087250


 A couple more Q’s...

oh ok thanks i did not know that
i will be sure to remember that for next time :)



10/21/09  10:41pm

 #2087396


Lone Wolf
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  Message To: Lovetheleo   In reference to Message Id: 2087251


 A couple more Q’s...

Chpill,

Kinda figured you were referring to the longer tube. :-)

Quote:

Do the MVB bulbs have a longer range than the tubes? is that why I was told the bulb would be too strong for that tank size and beardie age?



Yes, the MVB has a much further effective range. Think about it, they have a clearish bottom and the top of the MVB has a reflective coating which stops any light and UV from escaping through the top. So, the only place that all those UV rays has to go is straight down on your beardie. Whereas a tube type UV light is letting out light and UV in all directions.

I would also say 10 months for the Reptisun 10.0. It will last longer because of this:

The 5.0 put’s out a lower amount of UV initially, so even in 1-2 months it is putting out a lot less than before, by the time 6 months has come it’s UV out put is so minimal that you would have to replace it.

Whereas the 10.0 put’s out more UV initially which means it’s going to last longer because it has more to lose. The manufacturer has a 1 year warranty on them but I would agree with 10 months and change it. If it is putting out what your beardie needs at it’s new condition then it will have diminished enough by 10 months that you would probably have to have it 2-3" from your beardie to get the same amount of UV as it was new. :-)

Cody



10/22/09  08:14am

 #2087595


Raven Mune
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  Message To: Lone Wolf   In reference to Message Id: 2087396


 A couple more Q’s...

k... So I went to walmart today, and they had a 17 watt tube fixture, for 24" tubes.. but it didn’t have a T- anywhere on it, and it was for a black light... does that matter? (bare in mind people, I’m trying to figure this all out before the 1rst, when I get paid again.)

On a side note, if this doesn’t work... Does anyone know a really cheap site to buy the right lighting supplies at? Thanks for all the great info so far people..



10/22/09  06:54pm

 #2087701


Cphill58
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  Message To: Raven Mune   In reference to Message Id: 2087595


 A couple more Q’s...

Raven ....the fixture may have the info stamped into the plastic... or on a model # sticker....hmmmm...A while back I was replacing a cheap walmart plastic fixture...again four feet. And I went to Home Depot to buy a new metal 4’ T -12 ...I found it for 10$. then some months went by and I built the condo with four compartments....I ordered from LLL reptiles ...19.99 for repti sun bulbs, 10.00 shipping, well for me that was a good price as I was buying 4 at one time.

This brings up the comparison of what you can get for your dollar.

EX: cheap fixture of proper size...10 -15.00 .....tube bulb retail petco..39.99 or so..if you order online still around 30.00 shipping included. Total cost approximately 45--60.00 for a fixture of 24" that will be tossed aside when you get a bigger tank and a bulb that will last 10 months.

Ex 2: Mega Ray Self Ballasted 100 watt or 160 watt MVB 46.95 +10.00 shipping (they are the same price)
1 deep dome fixture 13-18.00 depending where you shop.
Total cost rounded up 77.00
This set up will last you a lifetime and the fixture will work with any tank ...including your small one if you raise the light with a wooden brace or hang it with chain. The bulb will last 12-18 months ....see these videos for more information on MEGA RAY....accept no substitute!

Mega Ray Videos

I use and continue to follow Mega Ray products and now I am very excited to begin my quest to provide proper lighting for a new lizard ...a 3 year old Iguana. I also own a UVB meter and test bulbs as I find them and the time to do so. Have you heard of the new Metal Halide lighting...awesome !!

Anyways , wishing you the best on your quest ...take the plunge ...you will not regret it. I was so excited when I decided to buy the best I could, and so glad I did. My 100 watt SB Mega Ray is still going strong for Edel’s Bearded dragon ( Androth) I am just elated that it is over 1 year old and still doing beautiful.

Cp



10/22/09  10:22pm

 #2089411


Raven Mune
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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 2087701


 A couple more Q’s...

wow ok.. mega ray.. What site do I go to that I could get it and the dome lamp for cheap? I’ll look for it.. The repti sun 10.0 bulbs for $19.99- Are those the tubes, or the MVB? Gonna check out LLL reptiles in the mean time.. Thanks..



10/28/09  05:01pm

 #2089421


Lone Wolf
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  Message To: Raven Mune   In reference to Message Id: 2089411


 A couple more Q’s...

Here’s where you can buy the bulb: Link

You can buy the dome here: Link

Or, you can probably buy the dome at your local pet shop. I would try to get like the 10" dome or close to that, as a 100 watt MVB will get very hot, the bigger dome will allow it some extra ventilation. :-)

Cody



10/28/09  05:19pm

 #2089431


Raven Mune
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  Message To: Lone Wolf   In reference to Message Id: 2089421


 A couple more Q’s...

ok.. Is the Zoo Med Powersun MVB ok? I just found a site that’s selling them for $36.99, and the Zoo med deep dome fixture for $15.99...



10/28/09  05:43pm

 #2089435


Raven Mune
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  Message To: Raven Mune   In reference to Message Id: 2089431


 A couple more Q’s...

The Mega Ray does sound great, but I don’t exactly have a bunch of money coming in as it is and I’m trying to get the best I can for the cheapest I can... Not trying to ignore your posts or nothing... and I do appriciate all the great advice... That’s at reptile supply .com btw...



10/28/09  05:54pm

 #2089436


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  Message To: Raven Mune   In reference to Message Id: 2089431


 A couple more Q’s...

Zoo Med in general is a good brand yes. The T-Rex and Mega Ray are recommended because they are the best bulb to use. For $10 more I would get the Mega Ray, it’ll probably last longer but, I understand not having money to (if that’s your case I’m guessing). It won’t work as well but yes Zoo Med is a good brand if that what you asking. The fixture looks fine too. I would squeeze in the extra for the Mega Ray if you can, but if you can’t then you can’t. Don’t get me wrong though, Zoo Med isn’t a bad brand at all. :-)

Cody



10/28/09  05:55pm

 #2089450


Raven Mune
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  Message To: Lone Wolf   In reference to Message Id: 2089436


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Right on.. Sounds like what I’m doing then.. thanks alot! when I get a chance and a little more cash, I’ll invest in the Mega Ray... Have a good one all.. And thanks again! I’ll keep ya updated...

Amanda



10/28/09  06:34pm

 #2089578


Cphill58
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  Message To: Raven Mune   In reference to Message Id: 2089450


 A couple more Q’s...

Amanda...
I don’t want to confuse..or argue ...but the facts are printed here... read the test results and learn about the decay rates.... please buy quality for about 10.00 more...T-rex ...or Mega ray ...but not the power sun...

Read this"

POWER SUN TESTS

Chris



10/29/09  01:00am

 #2089613


Lone Wolf
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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 2089578


 A couple more Q’s...

That’s kinda what I was thinking I just don’t communicate very well, I just didn’t want to make anyone upset by insisting so I was hoping someone else would pop on here and continue this. :-) I didn’t think about posting that link though. Course, last time I read it was like 4 months ago. I would definitely agree though, you pay for quality. You look at the decay rates, power sun just isn’t worth the buy, you’ll still be giving him UV but it will cost more in the long run, one Mega Ray will probably out-last 2 or 3 power suns. If you totally don’t have the at all I understand but, if their is any way at all to eek in the extra $10 you’ll be glad you did. :-) CP, thanks for posting that link to though, I’ve had somebody who keeps asking me, why can’t you just use compact bulbs because they are a lot cheaper. But, I haven’t been able to find that site to show them that I really am not nuts and they really are harmful. :-)

Cody



10/29/09  07:19am

 #2089641


Cphill58
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  Message To: Lone Wolf   In reference to Message Id: 2089613


 A couple more Q’s...

Quote:

I just didn’t want to make anyone upset by insisting so I was hoping someone else would pop on here and continue this. :-)



Cody, this upsets me ....if you don’t want to take a stand ...then take a back seat and wait for it to be said by those who will. If you are not sure ....say so.

What you in fact did was allow the other person to believe the Powersun would be acceptable. Even though you knew you had read the information sometime prior.

Whatever

I will say it here ....The POWER SUN ...SUX..!!....it is proven...I didn’t make it up.
Why spend your hard earned money and have to spend it a few months later ..again..??
geeezzz.....wake up people. Do the math...

And ZOO MED is a questionable brand ...they make a few good products and a few bad...so what is that saying....BUYER BEWARE.. do the research ..


Cp



10/29/09  10:06am

 #2089643


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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 2089641


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Quote:

The POWER SUN ...SUX



I second that!

Nancy



10/29/09  10:10am

 #2089655


Lone Wolf
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  Message To: Newfgal   In reference to Message Id: 2089643


 A couple more Q’s...

Yup, I know. I grew up on nothing, people would tell us all the time, hey you should try this it’s only $10 bucks, well there have been times when my parents only had $4 in the bank and a few in their pockets at the end of the month so that $10 was all we had till’ dad’s next check. I understand his not having $10 dollars, but yes, it really is a waste of money so if you really only have $36 to spend, your best option would be wait till’ you have the extra. They can go some time without a UV light, but it would be best if he doesn’t go without.

CP, for one, calm down. For two, why do you think that people practically worship Nancy and you, they all feel privileged if you help them, you’ve been here quite a while now. I’ve been on this forum what, two months. I don’t want to be seen as the new guy coming on here and telling everyone what to do, people are more likely to listen to someone like you as you have been here much longer. You want me to stand up, fine whatever, but not every one has money like you. If he simply cant afford the extra $10, I’d rather see someone go buy one that will last a few months than the Beardie go without at all. I don’t know his his financial situation, you may think it’s only $10, but if you grew up like I did you’d understand, obviously you don’t though. I know the Power Sun is crap, I’ve seen the same charts you have. But, something is better than nothing.

If I somehow implied that the Power Sun was a good choice, I wasn’t trying to, why do you think all my comments included Get the Mega Ray if at all possible? I told him it’s better, he said he doesn’t have it right now, obviously he doesn’t have. So, seeing that I referred him the the best bulb I knew of in the range of $35 dollars. Even though they are both crap, I’d rather see him buy a $30 something Zoo Med over Repti-Glo whatever it is, wouldn’t you?

Again, I am in no way endorsing the Power Sun as a good bulb, but it is still better than no bulb at all. Have I been clear enough? If you still don’t understand, well I’m sorry because I have given a very clear explanation for my comments, so if you don’t understand then obviously it’s your lack of comprehension skills.

I’m not trying to be rude, but I don’t appreciate know-it-all’s burning me for being understanding with someone and sticking with the price range that they told me they can afford. I guess you can blame Raven Mune for not having as much money as you. I really don’t see why you are so upset at what I said, maybe I’m missing something, I just don’t see it. :-)

Cody



10/29/09  10:48am

 #2089662


Newfgal
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  Message To: Lone Wolf   In reference to Message Id: 2089655


 A couple more Q’s...

BTW, Raven Mune, I understand the MegaRay are fairly expensive, and if you cannot afford it right now, I would go with the Solar Glo, those are not at the top of the list for MVB’s, but are alot better than the powersun, and are cheaper. Even if you use it until you can get the MegaRay or T-Rex, it will be fine...I used the Solar Glo for about a year, in the beginning I thought they were great, but compaired to the megarays I am using as well, they just do not compair.

Nancy



10/29/09  11:18am
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