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Animalluvver View Profile |
Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
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| 01/27/08 11:22pm |
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317_boa View Profile |
Message To: Animalluvver In reference to Message Id: 1597840 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
http://www.petsmartcruelty.com/investigation_manchester.asp |
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| 01/27/08 11:31pm |
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317_boa View Profile |
Message To: Animalluvver In reference to Message Id: 1597840 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
http://www.petsmartcruelty.com/investigation_manchester.asp |
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| 01/27/08 11:32pm |
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Kimforster View Profile |
Message To: 317_boa In reference to Message Id: 1597853 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
If you know for sure Jandays are much cheaper than that in your area then petsmart is just making a profit. A place not worth going to (IMHO) if all they are interested in is making a profit on birds. |
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| 01/28/08 12:13am |
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CelticTigeress View Profile |
Message To: Kimforster In reference to Message Id: 1597901 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
So they get a ’lot’ of these birds and pay usually wholesale 100-300 a bird and pocket a good 400-500 after charging initial cost plus rising price. If they do manage "Handfed babies" they pay roughly 200... (not that it does any good since the birds arent handled much and revert) any bulk of adults they pay roughly 100... its a crock, they jack the prices up (Heck look at the toys and other supplies!!) I usually suggest petfinder for people looking, I would rather adopt (And I did) then support capturing wild birds or the breeders that dont care about the animal itsself... |
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| 01/28/08 01:19am |
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317_boa View Profile |
Message To: CelticTigeress In reference to Message Id: 1597954 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
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| 01/28/08 12:49pm |
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Rat snake lover View Profile |
Message To: 317_boa In reference to Message Id: 1598251 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
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| 02/01/08 09:30pm |
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Thoubmyp86 View Profile |
Message To: Rat snake lover In reference to Message Id: 1605228 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
NOT ALL PETSMARTS ARE BAD!! SOME ACTUALLY HAVE EMPLOYEES WHO CARE ABOUT THE ANIMALS IN THEIR CARE! People that work there do have a heart! Some are bad...but that’s with any retail chain...and yes it IS worse when the care of animals is involved...but if you see something wrong in your local petsmart then tell the manager! There are rules and regulations that all employees who care for the animals must follow!! DON’T ASSUME THAT PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE DON’T CARE!!! and if you see an animal suffering from lack of care and you don’t say anything then you are just as bad! Just so you know the birds that say they were handfed WERE handfed!! |
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| 03/08/08 07:30pm |
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Thoubmyp86 View Profile |
Message To: Thoubmyp86 In reference to Message Id: 1653188 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
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| 03/08/08 07:40pm |
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PrinceSushi View Profile |
Message To: Thoubmyp86 In reference to Message Id: 1653188 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
Animalluvver- $1000 is ridiculous. Some breeders sell Jendays as low as $400 but your first guess of $500-$600 is most common. Thoubmyp86-I agree, it really depends on the individual store and employees. My Petco’s birds are so sweet(when not scared) and well cared for(finches are sometimes in bad shape but thats about it). The employees actually take many of the conures and caiques out and walk around the store with them since they can be stuck at the store for some time do to high price. The woman that is assigned "Bird Specialist" really cares about the birds and knows quite a bit, even some good training techniques. I’ve never heard of Petco or Petsmart breeding their own animals. Though I do know that a lot of the stores buy from bird farms(Bird farms do not mean the breeders don’t care. My p-let came from one of the best known bird farms.They are a little intimidating because they really want you to care for the bird correctly). However, some actually purchase from local breeders. My local Petco buys both fancy mice and green cheeks locally. 2/3 green cheeks that have been at the store came with a certificate from the breeder which included a paper proving the bird had been examined by a vet before sold. Yes, tell the manager when you see an ill animal. The manager got their job for a reason, it wasn’t just handed to them. Every one I have met actually devotes them selves to helping customers and taking care of the animals, but its a tough job and they still need help. Basically if the person doesn’t care about animals, they won’t last long at a pet store. However, not every employee cares or knows about all animals. In fact some employees would prefer to just work with birds, fish or reptiles. That is why petco offers jobs such as " Fish Specialist" and " Reptile Specialist" it may come off as rude or negligent if they give false info or don’t help an animal but, in reality, they may have no idea how to care for that particular species. Next time you go to the store, don’t be so closed minded. They are only human and I’m sure they are trying their hardest. Celtic tigress is correct about the prices though. Store owners and companies have wholesale licenses. With that license you can generally go to warehouses to buy animals and products really cheap. A friend of the family who owns a feed store used her license to purchase my bird cage. Its generally sold for $250-$300 but was purchased for $50 direct from the warehouse. Many many many years ago my mother and another co-worker used to go to a very private reptile supply warehouse to pick out exotic reptiles for a feed and pet store she worked at.They would buy them for nearly half the fee they sold them at.That is how stores make their money. |
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| 03/11/08 03:17pm |
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Thoubmyp86 View Profile |
Message To: PrinceSushi In reference to Message Id: 1657012 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
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| 03/11/08 09:09pm |
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PrinceSushi View Profile |
Message To: Thoubmyp86 In reference to Message Id: 1657556 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
In fact, with cheaper animals pet stores make about the same profit, but not all at once.See stores generally sale keets for about $15 while they buy them for about $2 a piece whole sale. Thats more than half what they paid but they would need to sell a lot of keets to get the same kind of profit from just one large parrot. It sort of evens out. |
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| 03/13/08 03:34am |
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Lizrd lady View Profile |
Message To: PrinceSushi In reference to Message Id: 1659151 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
I also spent nearly $200 in vet bills to be sure these two were healthy. They both needed meds. I also spent $400 on a the largest ’teil cage I could find. As a general rule, I avoid pet stores, ’cuz I know I can’t save them all. But if we all stay away, these innocent critters will be victims of the system. Again, It’s not about the money. It’s all about loving the animals. |
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| 03/15/08 08:37pm |
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Thoubmyp86 View Profile |
Message To: Lizrd lady In reference to Message Id: 1662158 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
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| 03/16/08 03:02pm |
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Dragongirl6 View Profile |
Message To: Lizrd lady In reference to Message Id: 1662158 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
Quote: I avoid pet stores, ’cuz I know I can’t save them all. But if we all stay away, these innocent critters will be victims of the system.
Buying birds, or any other pet, at a pet store because you feel sorry for them or because they aren’t well cared for is a HUGE mistake! Your purchase of those birds only made room for two more birds to fill their cage. If we all stay away, the system will be shut down! If every single person refused to buy animals in large chain stores that are poorly cared for and talked to the store managers and complained to the company about them, THAT would stop the system. Buying these animals SUPPORTS the system and sure, your particular two birds have a better life, but think about the two that took their places? Where do you suppose they ended up? Could be anywhere, since petsmart, petco, and pet whatever will sell their animals to whoever will pay for them. I know it is difficult to walk away from that bird in the pet store that wants to get out of a cage, but you have to think of the big picture instead of focusing on one animal. |
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| 03/17/08 10:50pm |
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Lorien View Profile |
Message To: Dragongirl6 In reference to Message Id: 1665351 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
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| 03/18/08 12:14am |
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PrinceSushi View Profile |
Message To: Dragongirl6 In reference to Message Id: 1665351 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
All pet stores can’t provide perfect care long term for all of their animals. Pet stores hope that the animal will only be in their care for a short time. You should never buy an animal just because its pet store housing isn’t perfect. The animal is always going to be a little stressed and even depressed while at a pet store but that doesn’t mean they are in need of dire help.You should only purchase an animal if it is injured or ill and no one is doing anything for it after an extended period of time. Be sure you have proper funds and enclosures, a vet ready and knowledge of the species. I recently rescued a sav monitor. After waiting 6 months and watching him loose weight, develop sores and get infested with mites I broke out my spare money and took him home. He got all the vet treatment he needed and I fattened him up nicely. Now he is in a wonderful home. However, I didn’t stop there. The conditions in that store are horrible so I’m pursuing legal actions. I’ve contacted animal control along with a few other people. That store may have gained profit from the animals but they are bound to loose it in the fines the get and they are bound to loose even more if the store is shut down. Whenever you see an ill animal, weather you choose to take it or just contact someone, don’t just ignore it. Its like ignoring child abuse. Ignoring it is actually going to make things worse. To help animals you can contact the manager, the police department(depends where you live), animal control or even rescues. Rescues tend to have more resources and know how to work animal control so that things get done ASAP. Even if they can’t take the animals, they can help you contact people. Even your local vet should be able to help. |
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| 03/18/08 01:46am |
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Lizrd lady View Profile |
Message To: Dragongirl6 In reference to Message Id: 1665351 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
No, actually the big picture is the love of the animals. If everyone stops going to the pet store, the critters won’t miraculously be given away to loving homes, they will be boxed up and shipped off to some other store, or worse, left to die a long painful death by starvation. There is no way that that is better in the long run. I have pondered this topic for many years. I always push for going to a pet rescue first, then a breeder before thinking about a pet store. My first bird was a rescue of sorts. He was walking through the neighborhood saying "pretty bird". Obtaining him was easy. He died recently (after 15 years in our home) and I really missed his songs. I tried for months to find a breeder in my area but had no luck. Our humane society only has cats and dogs. My only other resort was the pet store. I fell in love with the two birds I have. I know others have not been as lucky. I’m not trying to say that pets stores are "great", it is just a fact that people will always go for their dog food and become curious about the pets they see. It is in our nature. Make the best of it. |
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| 03/18/08 09:41pm |
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Dragongirl6 View Profile |
Message To: Lizrd lady In reference to Message Id: 1666591 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
I was not at all suggesting that animals be ignored. I love animals more than I can explain. I was suggesting that people complain to management, animal control, etc. and actually try to make a change as to how these animals are treated rather than buy the one you feel sorry for, create a new space for another animal, and then completely ignore the entire situation. Our pet store has had so many animals brought to us, even left on the doorstep with notes saying they got them from a pet store because they felt sorry for them and didn’t have the time to care for them. Excuse me?? How exactly are you helping by leaving the animal on a doorstep?? Yes, when animals die they are replaced, but if no one is buying them why would they spend the money to replace them? They only provide what there is a market for. If no one bought animals at pet stores, they would not just continue buying them, waiting for them to die, and buying more. They would stop selling live animals. Check out this site. It’s about reptiles, but the same goes for all pet store animals (especially, *shudder*, puppies). Link |
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| 03/19/08 02:05am |
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PrinceSushi View Profile |
Message To: Dragongirl6 In reference to Message Id: 1666937 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
Quote: Our pet store has had so many animals brought to us, even left on the doorstep with notes saying they got them from a pet store because they felt sorry for them and didn’t have the time to care for them. Excuse me?? How exactly are you helping by leaving the animal on a doorstep??
Thats horrible. I agree with you. How in the world do they think they are helping the animal by abandoning it somewhere else?! From the link: Quote: Instead, I am now asking people if they got them from a pet store or breeder. If they did,. I tell them to return it. Regardless of the store’s return policy. Meaning, if the employee, manager or owner says "We don’t want it", the person should just leave it on the counter and walk away. Maybe if the stores start having to deal with thrashy, whippy, crocodile-rolling male iguanas in breeding season, 5 ft. Nile monitors, and 16 ft Burmese pythons with mouthrot and mites, they will start thinking twice about selling those cute little hatchlings...or at least, stop selling them so cheaply
The truth is that most stores will just neglect, ship off or, kill large animals like that. Someone recently dumped a 3 foot nile at the store I’m fighting against. They crammed him in a 3 foot tank, 1/3 of it taken up by a water dish. I’m not even sure what they are keeping him on, newspaper pellets? What ever it is, its disgusting when it gets wet. Poor thing can’t turn around and the employees are too afraid of it to hardly even open the cage so it doesn’t get fed often. Just abandoning an animal at a pet store makes you no better than the pet store or the person from your story. What pet stores need to do is tell people to be responsible, they made a commitment. In fact I believe more pet stores should start having contracts.Even though I hate the store I’m fighting against, they have different contracts for each species and a contract of the disease they can carry. By reading it and signing it you agree to take care of the animal. In other words no " Whoops, I made a mistake. Give me my money back!" You can’t return a child because you learned that its going to grow into a 5+ foot adult and cost a lot of money over the 18+ years you will have it in your care.Why do people think they can do that to animals? The problem is definitely not just on the pet store’s shoulders, its on the customer’s shoulders as well. People are just too selfish and lazy now days. Makes me really sad. |
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| 03/19/08 06:44am |
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Dragongirl6 View Profile |
Message To: PrinceSushi In reference to Message Id: 1666978 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
Quote: they have different contracts for each species and a contract of the disease they can carry
It would be great if even HALF of pet stores did this. Our pet store has a contract for every animal and an agreement to always take the animal back if for any reason the owner can’t keep it. This is not to say in any way that we encourage them to get an animal without understanding its needs and returning it when they realize it is too much, it is to ensure the safety of the animal. Any pet store that refuses to take an animal back that was bought in their store is NOT a pet store anyone should get an animal at! If they don’t care enough about the animal to make sure that it is always safe, then they don’t care enough about them to keep them happy and healthy before they are purchased. We talk to every single person who gets an animal from us about how long it will live, how big it will get, its personality, its cage/feeding/cleaning/watering requirements, etc. and make absolutely sure that they know what they are getting into. Sometimes, people are stupid. The animal should not have to be dumped outside or left in a shelter because the pet store doesn’t care enough about it. Quote: Just abandoning an animal at a pet store makes you no better than the pet store or the person from your story
I don’t think this is true. I was conflicted about this part, but I do think it would work. If the pet stores had to deal with these animals after they are sold the first time and realized that they DO grow up and they DO require a lot more care than they say they do, maybe they would screen their homes a little better the first time around. It is NOT a shelter’s responsibility to take care of all these pet store animals. They are overworked enough as it is! |
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| 03/19/08 12:18pm |
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Kralice4u View Profile |
Message To: Animalluvver In reference to Message Id: 1597840 Wow... jenday conure for $999.99@ petsmart...
I breed them and could not imagine putting such a price on a Jenday. Jendays normally run (like you mentioned) 5-600 dollars. Perhaps the Jenday at Petsmart can not only talk, but it can cook, clean, babysit, drive, style your hair, work on a job, along with other tasks? |
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