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 #1642876


Ambiguous666
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 Could everyone tell me advice on this topic please?? serious

ok, so in my cage(its a glass slide front door kind) i use a heat bulb for the heat sourse. and i was wondering is it dangerous??? can the snake get burned(well i know he can of course) but what i mean is after seeing that it is hot will she have enough common sense to not touch it anymore???? because i dont think i can put a heat pad under the cage cause the bottom is wood, so if its a 3 sided wood cage with front glass door is there a way i can give her heat other then the heat bulb so it would be safer???

i asked the guys at the reptile shop and they said it would be safe, hthey know its hot and not to touch, and he had all his reptiles in the shop like that and said he never had any probs with burns or anything, but even though i just want to be safe. so could you please give me some advice??????!

thank you.
02/29/08  06:05pm

 #1642912


MatthewF
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   Message To: Ambiguous666   In reference to Message Id: 1642876


 Could everyone tell me advice on this topic please?? serious

Yes a heat bulb will burn a snake if it can come into contact with the bulb its self. If you use a heat bulb make sure the snake cannot come into direct contact with it. It can injure or kill your snake. There are plenty of pics of reptile burns on the net if you wanna see what happens. Jst make sure there is somthing to keep the snake from touching the bulb
02/29/08  06:37pm

 #1643035


Ambiguous666
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   Message To: MatthewF   In reference to Message Id: 1642912


 Could everyone tell me advice on this topic please?? serious

thats the prob i cant reall ykeep her away from it, but is there another way to give her heat other then the bulb?????
02/29/08  08:09pm

 #1643501


Toki99
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   Message To: Ambiguous666   In reference to Message Id: 1643035


 Could everyone tell me advice on this topic please?? serious

get heat chord and attach it to a rubbermaid lid get a thermostat and set it to the proper temp your snake will be fine
kirk
03/01/08  09:55am

 #1643558


CONSTRIKTR
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   Message To: Toki99   In reference to Message Id: 1643501


 Could everyone tell me advice on this topic please?? serious

What is your cage made of? If it’s plastic you can use an under tank type set up ( flexwatt, heat tape, heat rope, etc.). If it is wood you may need to resort to a radiant heat panel. All of these devices need to be hooked up to a thermostat to regulate their temperature. You should also monitor the cage temperatures on the warm and cool end of the cage with digital themometers as well as the temp of of your heating element w/ a temp gun. Snakes do not possess the jerk reflex when it comes to heat. For example if you touch a pot on the stove and its hot your body automatically pulls away. Snakes don’t possess this reflex, that is why they suffer such severe burns. They will lay against a buld or hot rock until they start to cook. Your bulb is impractical and dangerous, the guys at the petshop either know nothing or don’t care. Maybe both. Good luck
Alex
03/01/08  11:50am

 #1643889


Ambiguous666
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   Message To: CONSTRIKTR   In reference to Message Id: 1643558


 Could everyone tell me advice on this topic please?? serious

hmm ok can you give me more info exactly what a "radiant heat panel" is please, or tell me where are some places that sell them so i can look them up. i will difinetly look into.

yea thats what the guy told me at the shop, and its not just a pet shop, its a reptile shop, a pretty well known one reptile guru iff you ever heard of them, and it was the manager.



03/01/08  05:51pm

 #1643895


Ambiguous666
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   Message To: Toki99   In reference to Message Id: 1643501


 Could everyone tell me advice on this topic please?? serious

Toki99: hey thanks i have never heard of a heat chord either, to a rubbermaid lid???? where do you get it at??

thanks for all the help
03/01/08  05:53pm

 #1644051


CONSTRIKTR
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   Message To: Ambiguous666   In reference to Message Id: 1643895


 Could everyone tell me advice on this topic please?? serious

Here is just one place you can look at. There are several if you look around a bit. The shop you go to may even have some of these supplies. If I made you defensive about your pet shop that was not my intention, however, you do have to keep in mind that a pet store regardless of there specialty is still a retailer and as such their bottom line is always make the sale and ensure repeat business when they can. The cord in a Rubbermaid lid is like a homemade heat map that keepers have had success with. You attach the heat cord to a lid in loose coils, hook up to a thermostat and go.
Alex
03/01/08  08:00pm

 #1644306


Ambiguous666
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   Message To: CONSTRIKTR   In reference to Message Id: 1644051


 Could everyone tell me advice on this topic please?? serious

oh ok thanks, haha not im not getting deffensive abotu my rep shop, i dont care what you think about them, its kool, i was just saying.
03/01/08  11:20pm

 #1644976


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   Message To: Ambiguous666   In reference to Message Id: 1644306


 Could everyone tell me advice on this topic please?? serious

Okay. Here’s what you can do, so you have plenty of options...

a. Wooden Vivarium - If you intend to use a light bulb, you will need to invest in a light bulb guard to stop the snake coming into contact with it. Also, the light will lower humidity and you will need an additional source of heat for when the light goes off at night.

There are several things you can use to heat a wooden vivarium; ceramic bulb, reptile radiators, heat mats, AHS heaters and of course a convector heater in the actual room the viv is in.

i. Ceramics get very hot indeed but produce no light. The ceramic bulb will need a guard just like the bulb and will need to be controlled by a thermostat, as with any heating devise.

ii. reptile radiators are okay. they are fitted to the ceiling and the snake can not coil around it. It can, however, still rub its nose along the heated flat surface, but I have never seen or heard of one doing this. This will need a guard fitting to it aswell to prevent just that.

iii. Heat mats are excellent. you can’t use these under the vivarium, cos heat won’t get through. Anyone who says you can’t use this inside a wooden vivarium is a liar. Simply place the mat inside the vivarium and make sure a thermostat is attached to control the heat. Simply cover the mat with a thin sheet of perspex or the base of a plastic tub. This stops the snake urinating directly on to the mat. Obviously seal the plastic/ perspex to the floor. Or, I find that if you place a plastic tub inside the vivarium as a hide, and put it on the mat, this kills two birds with one stone.

iv. if the room the vivarium is in, is small and can be used as a snake room, you can heat the whole room with a convector heater to provide an ambient temperature.

v. AHS heaters made by microclimate - Fantastic. Fits inside the vivarium high on the wall. Complete with a thermometer and thermostat. Set the temperature and there you have an ambient temperature. This along with a heat mat for basking on is excellent.

b. Plastic RHINO Vivariums - again are fantastic. Place a heat mat underneath the warm end and set thermostat. You can either heat the whole room the vivarium is in or you can use AHS heater inside the vivarium.

c. Snake racks - heat mats and the whole room has to have an ambient temperature.
03/02/08  04:32pm

 #1647792


Ambiguous
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   Message To: Bazzer   In reference to Message Id: 1644976


 Could everyone tell me advice on this topic please?? serious

AHS heaters are expensive right? how much they run for?????

i want one
03/04/08  05:04pm

 #1647870


Bazzer
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   Message To: Ambiguous   In reference to Message Id: 1647792


 Could everyone tell me advice on this topic please?? serious

just to give you a rough idea...

http://www.crystalpalacereptiles.com/shop/products.php?cat=42

Worth every penny though.
03/04/08  06:03pm

 #1648615


Ambiguous666
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   Message To: Bazzer   In reference to Message Id: 1647870


 Could everyone tell me advice on this topic please?? serious

oh noo, i saw that site you gave me, but im in the US!!

do you now how much it would be in us dollars??
i was going to email them and askbut im having probs right now with my email.

thank you
03/05/08  04:36am

 #1648748


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   Message To: Ambiguous666   In reference to Message Id: 1648615


 Could everyone tell me advice on this topic please?? serious

The reason they burn themselves is because they dont feel heat the way we do.It takes them awhile to realize they are being burned and by then its too late.
I assume the bulb is in the cage, is there no way for you to cut a hole in the top of the cage and screw screening across it so the bulb is outside the cage?
If not then a cheap solution would be to build a small square out of caging to put over the bulb as a protective cover..It doesnt have to look perfect and all you need is a pair of wire cutters and a piece of half inch hardware cloth(mesh) and some wire or o-rings to put it all together.The
03/05/08  08:53am

 #1650000


Ambiguous666
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   Message To: Tupi1   In reference to Message Id: 1648748


 Could everyone tell me advice on this topic please?? serious

thanks for all the help and advice i think i am probably going to get a heat panel that seems a lot better

onces again thanks everyone this was a lot of help.
03/06/08  04:15am


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