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 #1684810


Rainbow4w
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 A more humane way to kill a mouse in one sec

I was watching a youtube video and saw a guy kill a mouse. Their was no blood and it was done in a sec. He learned the technique from his chiropractor.
First you hold the tail with one hand. Then take two fingers and grasp behind the ears, holding the back of the scull. Then pull both hands in the opposite directions. You dislocate the spine, and the mouse is dead in a second. Their might be some twitching, but thats all. It’s quick and more humane. It work’s great, and you can kill a rat the same way.



04/01/08  08:09am

 #1685056


Ambiguous666
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   Message To: Rainbow4w   In reference to Message Id: 1684810


 A more humane way to kill a mouse in one sec

i thought the grabbing them by the tail and bashing them agianst the floor or wall way was good to.
04/01/08  02:30pm

 #1685211


BooByVu
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   Message To: Rainbow4w   In reference to Message Id: 1684810


 A more humane way to kill a mouse in one sec

Wish all my snakes would take prekilled and F/T.....i freeze alot of my mice that i breed......my rainbow wont eat anything thats not moving.....owell atleast she eats every feeding so watching her eat to make sure she doesnt get hurt is fine.....how do you guys get yours to eat prekilled?
04/01/08  04:18pm

 #1685367


Sra
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   Message To: BooByVu   In reference to Message Id: 1685211


 A more humane way to kill a mouse in one sec

As soon as I bring any new snakes home, I start them out on f/t and offer only that. They get over it eventually :) I’ve bought snakes from breeders that only fed live (like my brb) and as soon as I got the little guy home, I started off f/t and he has has yet to refuse a meal :). Just keep offering, they will get hungry eventually!
04/01/08  06:07pm

 #1685488


Reflex
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   Message To: Ambiguous666   In reference to Message Id: 1685056


 A more humane way to kill a mouse in one sec

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i thought the grabbing them by the tail and bashing them agianst the floor or wall way was good to.



This will likely not kill them the first time, or will cause a lot of blood spill, very messy and blood provides nutrients for your snake.

As for the technique the OP posted, it is called cerebral dislocation, seperating the spinal cord from the brain, and yes, it kills instantly.

If you happen to do it wrong, the rat/mouse will scream and suffer horribly.

CO2 tanks require less work, are 100% effective, (except for pinkies) and is just as humane. It is basically a gas chamber that makes the rat or mouse go to sleep and not wake up.

Simply sticking them in the freezer is not humane, the basically freeze before they even die. Incredibly painful if you ask me. This also causes deep tissue scarring, and is not as good of a quality for your snake to eat as when it is dead when frozen. when it is frozen after death, tissue scarring doesn’t occur.



04/01/08  07:40pm

 #1685603


Addicted
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   Message To: Reflex   In reference to Message Id: 1685488


 A more humane way to kill a mouse in one sec

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As soon as I bring any new snakes home, I start them out on f/t and offer only that. They get over it eventually :) I’ve bought snakes from breeders that only fed live (like my brb) and as soon as I got the little guy home, I started off f/t and he has has yet to refuse a meal :). Just keep offering, they will get hungry eventually!



I agree 100% with that,almost any snake can be switched with persistence.If it has not worked yet you probably did not try hard enough.
04/01/08  08:39pm

 #1685765


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   Message To: Reflex   In reference to Message Id: 1685488


 A more humane way to kill a mouse in one sec

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As for the technique the OP posted, it is called cerebral dislocation, seperating the spinal cord from the brain, and yes, it kills instantly.

Well...You’re close.

It’s actually called: Cervical Dislocation

Cerebral Dislocation would actually require brain surgury.

LOL!
04/01/08  09:46pm

 #1685901


Addicted
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   Message To: ScyllaCharybdis   In reference to Message Id: 1685765


 A more humane way to kill a mouse in one sec

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Cerebral Dislocation
04/01/08  10:59pm

 #1686225


Reflex
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   Message To: ScyllaCharybdis   In reference to Message Id: 1685765


 A more humane way to kill a mouse in one sec

LOL sorry, I was tired, lmao
04/02/08  09:55am

 #1687156


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   Message To: BooByVu   In reference to Message Id: 1685211


 A more humane way to kill a mouse in one sec

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how do you guys get yours to eat prekilled?



I’ve not had to do it in quite awhile, but in the past I’d make sure they were hungry, then go in with the tongs and get them to strike at it. If that doesnt work, an overnighter with fresh kill may work. Some snakes had to go from live to fresh kill to older kill to thawed, but they all got onto f/t eventually.

Put a fresh kill on a tupperware lid in your snake’s cage before you go to bed, it may just be gone in the morning.
04/02/08  10:25pm

 #1687714


BooByVu
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   Message To: Gfx   In reference to Message Id: 1687156


 A more humane way to kill a mouse in one sec

Well i feed all my snakes out of their cages. I was just worried about them skipping too many meals. Actually i dont let any of my snakes miss any meals unless they are in shed. But its just too dangerous feeding live when since these rats are getting bigs and could hurt them.....so i guess ill have to try the F/T thing this week.....should i retry everyday if they dont eat? or just every scheduled feeding date?
04/03/08  01:18pm

 #1687847


Gfx
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   Message To: BooByVu   In reference to Message Id: 1687714


 A more humane way to kill a mouse in one sec

I like to feed my guys out of the cages as well, but with one I’m trying to convince to eat or change to f/t, I’ll put a tupperware lid in their cage and leave the prey on it. Once they’re good feeders that way, I’ll give ’em a shot at eating in the feeding container. If their on newspaper instead of cypress, I dont bother with the tupperware lid.

Feeding this way allows them to discover their food while they’re on their nightly hunt so you’re not going to teach your snake that opening the cage means dinner. If your snake is too big for a tupperware lid, try a low shallow dish like a pyrex.

Obviously its not a long term solution and there’s some risk of getting substrate in its mouth, but overall I think its better to teach them to eat f/t than have them hooked on live that will bite them sooner or later.

I’d try ever few days until it eats. I dont like to give fresh dinner every day, I dont want them to get used to it always being there when they get around to eating. If its a hopper, I’d go ahead and leave it in there for a good 12-18 hours. Pinks rot quicker, I put them in around 1am and pull them around 10am or so. I’m not a big fan of pinks tho, I far prefer the bone ratio of the hoppers, weanlings and small mice.



04/03/08  03:03pm

 #1688053


BooByVu
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   Message To: Gfx   In reference to Message Id: 1687847


 A more humane way to kill a mouse in one sec

Ok ill try the lid idea for my rainbow and burmese then since they are on newspaper. I guess i wont bother with the milk yet since she’s only eating pinkies anyways and i dont freeze those. They cant hurt her anyways....but i will start her as soon as she starts to take hoppers. Only snakes i have that arent on newspaper is my ball python and rattlesnake but the rattlesnake takes F/T just fine if i dangle it in front of him to get him to bite it first.....hmm hope this all works. thanks
04/03/08  05:02pm

 #1695700


Snakeman82
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   Message To: BooByVu   In reference to Message Id: 1685211


 A more humane way to kill a mouse in one sec

i take mine and slam them on the floor it makes them to were they still move for a min or two but its only twitching and there not able to bite my snake maybe try that.
04/09/08  01:59am

 #1695707


ScyllaCharybdis
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   Message To: Snakeman82   In reference to Message Id: 1695700


 A more humane way to kill a mouse in one sec

1) That’s inhumane

2) That’s potentially dangerous

3) That’s potentially messy

Cervical Dislocation or CO2 euthanization are the best two methods.

But that being said...BRBs aren’t going to consume any rodent that is so large that you should have to worry about this. I feed all of my BRBs live (supervised) rodents.
04/09/08  02:19am

 #1739158


Boa_luver123
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   Message To: Ambiguous666   In reference to Message Id: 1685056


 A more humane way to kill a mouse in one sec

Eww. That seems plain crewl.... and messy.
05/18/08  02:19pm

 #1739885


Snakeman82
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   Message To: Boa_luver123   In reference to Message Id: 1739158


 A more humane way to kill a mouse in one sec

alright i tried the whole cervical dislocation thing and it works but i suggest starting off with a smaller rat/mice and then trying a big one. i did learn that if you put them on a hard surface like concrete and put your thumb and pointer behind there head and grab there body with your other hand and pull at a 45 degree angle upwards it separates the spine easily it takes practice though the first one i didn’t quite pull hard and fast enough and it did lose a little blood but the last four worked perfectly. i would recommend buying at least a cheap pair of leather gloves thought to keep from getting scratched or bit and plus it keeps your hands from getting dirty.
05/19/08  08:25am


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