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 #1683816


SkunkMan
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 My new RTB Fluffles

This is Fluffles my new RTB, he proudly Survived a 4-5000 mile migration with me in an airplane and fed on a pinky the same day he arrived and 2 days later on sub adult mouse. Hes roughly 2 feet long.

I wub him! ;D here are some pictures.


Feeding


Climbing


Soaking


Posing after eating a Pinky


And his little Terranium
03/31/08  04:39pm

 #1683884


Xyk
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   Message To: SkunkMan   In reference to Message Id: 1683816


 My new RTB Fluffles

thats a cute lil snake =) Where did u come 5000 miles from? lol and what airline did u use, i was gona go on an airplane to bring mine home 1 time but they freekd cuz 1 stewart guy was talking about the movie snakes on a plane lol
03/31/08  05:05pm

 #1683932


SkunkMan
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   Message To: Xyk   In reference to Message Id: 1683884


 My new RTB Fluffles

I cant say where I live because they’re Illegal here and I don’t want to take any chances, but I did the smuggler thing, I sowed a pocket on to my underwear in the groin area, and made a zipper on it, and then just put the little guy in there closed and went to the airport, almost 13 hours of flight but he did totally fine hehe :)
03/31/08  05:28pm

 #1684027


Alienboa
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   Message To: SkunkMan   In reference to Message Id: 1683932


 My new RTB Fluffles

i hardly believe that, but the only place i no that they r not allowed is hawiie
03/31/08  06:13pm

 #1684037


Chezequerz
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   Message To: SkunkMan   In reference to Message Id: 1683932


 My new RTB Fluffles

haha where did u get him from may i ask?



and to the poster above

1. its hawaii not hawiiee
2. there are loads of areas u cant keep boids in the states (im in the uk and even i no this) and not to mention the quarantine process even if customs allow it to fly on the plane.



03/31/08  06:20pm

 #1684061


SkunkMan
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   Message To: Chezequerz   In reference to Message Id: 1684037


 My new RTB Fluffles

Chezequerz: I bought him in a petstore in Orlando, Florida called Petland.

And to the other poster, there are many Countries arround the world that dont allow Animals that don’t thrive in the Country naturally, which makes them Illegal, plus its nothing to brag about to make the animal Suffer the long flight if you actually did take the risk to journey with one so far, I would have been so upset if he hadn’t survived =/

But Im really glad he did!, at the moment Im working on seeing if hes really a BCI or a BCC, I have a book on RTB’s and after that Im going to try to sex it by counting the scales.. -.-’ god thats going to be hard since he most likely wont remain still -.-’haha
03/31/08  06:32pm

 #1684225


Addicted
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   Message To: SkunkMan   In reference to Message Id: 1684061


 My new RTB Fluffles

Quote:

he proudly Survived a 4-5000 mile migration with me in an airplane and fed on a pinky the same day he arrived and 2 days later on sub adult mouse.



Why would you feed the snake after such a stressfull event?That’s bad.You should give it at least a week to settle in before feeding it.Also less frequent meals that are appropriately sized will be much better for the snake.try about once a week with the right sized prey.

And Btw in your profile it says you are from Florida,Since when are boas illegal there?I was unaware of that.
03/31/08  08:03pm

 #1684289


SkunkMan
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   Message To: Addicted   In reference to Message Id: 1684225


 My new RTB Fluffles

I put the location of where I bought him as a Location for myself to make sure that other people possibly from the same country might not report me to the cops because then they will make a house call and kill my RTB which I dont want to let happend. Im sorry for misleading you in anyway.

I didint know it was bad for him to be fed right after the move because he was beeing fed every thursday at the pet store I didint want to break the cycle and tried a pinky before I would purchase live mouse and he would possibly reject it and then I’d have to either freeze it or find some way to keep the mouse comfortable untill it would be eaten. And then I gave him the mouse on Friday.

And compared to his size (aprox 2’) (55cm give or take) he should be feeding on adult mice 2-4 times a week until he reaches 3’3’’ or a fuzzy rat, but rats are harder to come by here where I live because they don’t favor as pets here.

Though recently they have changed the laws for snakes that get a bit bigger than the rest (burms, retics) you require to let the proper authorities know and they actually make you pay a yearly fee for owning them and alert your neighbours and stuff because of theyr size. Lame huhh =/

I knew I had to give him time to adapt but thats hard when you have to set up a proper cage for him so fast, but Im done with the cage and I will give him all the time he needs to adapt and have been giving him since he ate. :)

Though I didint know that allowing him to feed so soon was bad for hi health =/ Thanks for pointing that out.
03/31/08  08:35pm

 #1684537


Addicted
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   Message To: SkunkMan   In reference to Message Id: 1684289


 My new RTB Fluffles

Any time something stressful like that happens It’s best to wait a while to feed or even handle the snake at all,You risk problems like regurgitation.They need their time to settle in.Two times a week could be fine but 4 seems to be overkill,a slower grown snake will be a healthier snake in the long run.Power fed snakes die young.Also remember the is no set in stone guide for feeding a snake,you have to adjust as you see fit for the snake sometimes.I would strongly discourage you from feeding that snake 4 times a week,That’s just WAY too much!!
03/31/08  10:29pm

 #1684610


CPBLSOUP
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   Message To: Addicted   In reference to Message Id: 1684537


 My new RTB Fluffles

why are people so assualtive in this post it sad, people need to lighten up, this is a place where people should be able to post freely and not have to worry about different people opinions or people passing judgement......can’t we all just be boa lovers... thats way i never come to this forum anymore
03/31/08  11:05pm

 #1684626


Addicted
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   Message To: CPBLSOUP   In reference to Message Id: 1684610


 My new RTB Fluffles

Quote:

why are people so assualtive in this post it sad, people need to lighten up, this is a place where people should be able to post freely and not have to worry about different people opinions or people passing judgement......can’t we all just be boa lovers... thats way i never come to this forum anymore



What are you talking about?Who was ?I know i Wasn’t,Neither was anyone else.
03/31/08  11:16pm

 #1684646


SkunkMan
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   Message To: Addicted   In reference to Message Id: 1684626


 My new RTB Fluffles

Addicted: I was just writing what the book says, and I think its referring to fuzzy mice 4 times a week rather than adult mice 4 times a week, that would be quite a bit of power feeding, though it says after it reaches 36 inches you should go back to 1 prey per week. Though it wouldn’t be the first time the book recommended something that I didn’t think sounded sane (example: using olive oil to get mites off instead of Vaseline, I’ve heard once person used olive oil and the snake died shortly after that or something like that)
By the way, he hasn’t shown any signs of Regurgitation or Aggressive behavior, so I’m hoping that he isn’t to stressed out

CPBLSOUP: I didn’t take Addicted’s post as a harsh or assaulting at all, hes just sharing his own personal experience/knowledge, and the cap’s "WAY" is just to point out that in his opinion it needs to be emphasized that it is to much food for a Sub Adult RTB. Its all good.

Addicted, thanks again for your posting, do you know anything about the proper weight/length ratio? Something I can refer to to know if hes a bit on the lighter/heavier side compared to his length?

CPBLSOUP: Thanks for your concern that hes "badgering" me, its nice to see that people are watching over the beginners. =)

And a side note, some people do actually need to be smacked in the face with facts when they are about to harm they’re pet without knowing it because they are simply to dense to listen in the first place.
03/31/08  11:34pm

 #1684650


Addicted
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   Message To: SkunkMan   In reference to Message Id: 1684646


 My new RTB Fluffles

Quote:

Do you know anything about the proper weight/length ratio?



There is none,There are so many variables,If It’s not skinny or fat you should be fine.Don’t believe everything you read in books,there is some horrible information in some.All though i have heard the oil thing i just used a Permetherin based product for mites.



03/31/08  11:49pm

 #1684652


SkunkMan
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   Message To: Addicted   In reference to Message Id: 1684650


 My new RTB Fluffles

Allright, thanks man =)
03/31/08  11:52pm

 #1684790


Kallinn
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   Message To: SkunkMan   In reference to Message Id: 1683816


 My new RTB Fluffles

Hi there I also live in a country where you cant have snakes, lizards or geckos or nothing. I ones smuggled a Ball python but it got taken away after about 2 weeks in the country. I now have a RTB will post pics later. Not sure what type of a boa it is thoug. It is a little over 5 feet and about 2 years old. I feed it 2-3 hamsters every 7-10 days. It can get difficult getting feed for him since you can only buy it as a pet. No frozen foods here. Hope you will do good with your new snake looks good.
04/01/08  07:06am

 #1684881


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   Message To: Addicted   In reference to Message Id: 1684650


 My new RTB Fluffles

the only thing I would add here b/c it looks like Addicted has it under control... is not to worry about the LENGTH of your boa... your prey item should match your snakes girth... (how big around your snake is at it’s widest point) It is better to feed a snake an appropriately sized meal on a regular basis. Young more active boas need to be fed one food animal of appropriate size about once a week. Larger boas.. or less active boas should only be fed once every 2 to 4 weeks depending on the animal to discourage obesity. (Barron’s Boas. A Complete Pet Owners Manual page 34)



04/01/08  10:44am

 #1684922


SkunkMan
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   Message To: SusanC   In reference to Message Id: 1684881


 My new RTB Fluffles

Its really hard to find apropriate sized prey here because they arent available on a menu like everywhere else, you cant buy a S / M / L / XL Mouse, you can just go to a pet store and pick out a mouse thats closest to what you need, and you also cant go to the same place every time because then they might catch on that your using them as prey items and call the cops on you, or worse take down your name and THEN call your cops and they visit your house and you cant do nothing about it because "its the law"

But I’ll try as hard as I can to keep them as correctly sized as I can. Thanks for great advice.

Kallinn: Yes your country has the same FUBAR rules as mine, or so Ive heard.
04/01/08  12:01pm

 #1684932


Chezequerz
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   Message To: SkunkMan   In reference to Message Id: 1684922


 My new RTB Fluffles

dude just use an online delivery website that what i would do.



04/01/08  12:19pm

 #1684943


SkunkMan
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   Message To: Chezequerz   In reference to Message Id: 1684932


 My new RTB Fluffles

That isint an option for me sadly because getting them to ship to me is really unlikely, and the postal service would call the cops since i’d be getting mouse corpses that would be defrosted when they finally arrived =/

Ive given it alot of though mate I would if I could, though I thinking about breeding rats/mice so I can have a variety of sizes to choose from for my RTB and hopefully if the breeding goes well I can supply other snake owners close to my location the same service. Its a work in progress at the moment.
04/01/08  12:36pm

 #1685592


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   Message To: SkunkMan   In reference to Message Id: 1684943


 My new RTB Fluffles

RTB’s are illegal where I live too but I have one anyway too and I don’t live in Hawaii. I also have a Green Tree Python and Argentine Tegu which are also illegal here. The only legal pets I have are my dogs and Crested Gecko go figure.



04/01/08  08:31pm

 #1686095


Shermanator
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   Message To: Quique   In reference to Message Id: 1685592


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Why would you put a snake through all that stress in the first place? I didn’t bother reading the whole post cause it sounds like skunkmans too stonned to know what he’s talking about. I’m not been offensive, but who sits and counts scales on a snake to sex it, surely its easier when it has shed to count the scales on the skin?
04/02/08  04:54am

 #1686098


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   Message To: Quique   In reference to Message Id: 1685592


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I have now read the post and still make little sense of it! Skunkman didn’t you think to do some proper research before owning such a beautiful creature. We all have to start somewhere, I agree. But you said you had to rush him into his new enclosure causing stress, then you fed him straight after and now you are unable to find it the correct size prey it needs to eat? Then you are posting details that you are in possesion of an illegal snake? I think getting frozen food delivered to your door should be the least of your worries. Why don’t you buy two rats one male, one female and breed some?



04/02/08  05:07am

 #1686223


Chezequerz
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   Message To: Shermanator   In reference to Message Id: 1686095


 My new RTB Fluffles

Quote:

Why would you put a snake through all that stress in the first place? I didn’t bother reading the whole post cause it sounds like skunkmans too stonned to know what he’s talking about. I’m not been offensive, but who sits and counts scales on a snake to sex it, surely its easier when it has shed to count the scales on the skin?



because otherwise he couldn’t own one

being* and since when was accusing someone of being too stoned to care for there pets not offensive?

actually most breeders count scales through probing and im sure this is what he means

how would scale counting a fresh shed snake possibly help



04/02/08  09:54am

 #1686286


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   Message To: Shermanator   In reference to Message Id: 1686098


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Sherminator:
I read your post over a few times to see if I understand you correctly (because obviously in your opinion im just a dumb stoner, even though I dont smoke pot)

I said I had to fit him into the enclosure pretty fast yes, [b]so he would have a home instead of a little box[/b] because when you arrive from another country to your own, you cant really have set up a proper enclosure when your on the other side of the planet now can you?
Of course I didint mean I THREW him into an Enclosure before everything was set up, I just made a few changes over the period of 3 days that provided him with everything he needs (2 hides, something to climb, stuff to rub against when shedding etc.) and the Screen so he cant burn himself on the light if he decides to explore where the "sun" comes from.

I fed him so soon, because 1. I didint want to break the feeding cycle. 2. I didint know that was bad for him because even though i read a whole book and a bunch of articles online I didint see anything about feeding them the same day or a few days after a long stressfull move (which i guess is just something _EXPERIENCE_ teaches you)

Yes I did make it known that my RTB is Illegal so I could get more detailed help and people would know that I _CANT_ order frozen food for him so I have to make the extra effort to provide him with what he needs, and I did make the decision on getting him non the less Knowing all this ahead of time.
But I did it anyway,, because? I love reptiles and no stupid law made in fear will prevent me from pursuing my hobby.

And about breeding rats.. Do you really think I havent thought about it? Only a slight problem, that would take up alot of room, and I just dont have the facility to breed rodents at the moment.

I guess this is what people mean by smart a$$ed pricks on this forum..

In all due respect I hope you arent as much of a prick in real life like you are on the internet because people generally dont like pricks.

Thanks for your concern though.
04/02/08  11:15am

 #1686290


SkunkMan
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   Message To: Chezequerz   In reference to Message Id: 1686223


 My new RTB Fluffles

I actually misunderstood a part in the book about probing, it was talking about the scales etc. and I though you had to count them instead of probe them, and I know I cant probe him so I didint..

Hehe Im only human ^^
04/02/08  11:17am

 #1686780


Florida boy
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   Message To: SkunkMan   In reference to Message Id: 1686290


 My new RTB Fluffles

There is a thread on sexing where I tell of the three methods.
Shermanator what the hell is your problem? How is your responce supose to help? Or is it only meant to offend?

Back to skunkman, breeding rats or mice really doesn’t take up that much space. There are plans on the internet for space saving racks that would allow you to have several breeding pairs and grow out room in about 2X 4 feet. Not alot of space. You grow them to the size you need, euthanize then and freeze them to have later. When you get an excess, cut back on production and pick back up when you start getting low. There are several experienced keepers here who will help without trying to rip you apart.



04/02/08  06:49pm

 #1686843


SkunkMan
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   Message To: Florida boy   In reference to Message Id: 1686780


 My new RTB Fluffles

Florida Boy: I still live with my parents (only 19) and they have a big problem against me breeding rodents in the house hehe thats the main reason why I cant at the moment, I have bred mice before with a bit of success, but back then I just wanted to release 500 mice in my school because the principal was a tard (3 years ago :’D) but I ended up giving them to a local pet store, and I’ll check out your sexing thread thanks for the tip.
04/02/08  07:29pm

 #1688767


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   Message To: SkunkMan   In reference to Message Id: 1686843


 My new RTB Fluffles

I don’t have a problem I was just pointing out how the thread read. If his parents won’t let him breed mice why is he keeping an illegal snake in the house?

Why would you call yourself Skunkman if you don’t smoke?

Florida boy I have in the past commented on your good knowledge and experience on snakes. Counting the scales on the skin can help to sex but is not a guarantee more. Females have more?

I’m no expert and don’t pretend to be. All I know is my snake is happy and healthy and to me that’s all that matters


And you obviously don’t know me. Do I look like a prick?

Maybe I had PMT?




04/04/08  05:21am

 #1688904


SkunkMan
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   Message To: Shermanator   In reference to Message Id: 1688767


 My new RTB Fluffles

Because they have problems with rodents, but that has been sorted out and I have a breeding cage etc. set up right now.

I just picked a random name for my Username and as I pointed out I mis understood my book on boas and it was talking about the scale count /probing vise/ and is one specific user name just for people who smoke weed?
04/04/08  09:37am

 #1689846


Chezequerz
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   Message To: Shermanator   In reference to Message Id: 1688767


 My new RTB Fluffles

1. y give up on a hobby if someone has a passion they will find a way.
2. i smoke it some times and my reptiles are in perfect health noone can be high all the time.
3. scale count refers to probing and that is correct, the only other way scale counting could be implied is by the old "long tail and small spurs=female" story thats not reliable at all.
4. good but if you plan to breed or have alloted amount of space knowing the gender is crucial witha species like a red tail boa
5. you dont LOOK like a prick you ACT like a prick. Thats how you gauge if someone is in fact a prick
04/04/08  11:06pm
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