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SkunkMan View Profile |
Its my lucky day-Mite Confirmation
After about 4-5 hours of soaking (and me staying up all night monitoring him while killing time doing meaningless tasks xbox360 and watching episodes of scrubs) I noticed a few lovely mites in the water bowl, and I just wanted to get the full scoop on "home solutions" for these annoying little critters! Objectives: 1. Place 1x RTB in a tub of _warm_ (not hot or cold) water for soaking. 2. Remove all substrate straight to the garbage bin outside the house (not inside). 3. Burn the garbage bin (joking of course) 4. Take Hide and Water bowl and boil in water (100°C should kill anything on there) 5. Pour 10% Bleach solution diluted with water into tank and let it soak for 1 hour. 6. Remove 1x RTB from tub and let dry with Toilet Paper. 7. Put tub in boiling water to kill of anything alive. (here is where I get confused as to what I should do) 8. Gently apply Mineral/Olive/SOME KIND of oil to snake (except eyes and nostrils) and let him soak in warm water again while I finish the other stuff? 9. Empty out water from Tank and Rinse with very hot water. 10. Tooth brush + brush the darn tank (every corner and possible nesting place for mites) 11. do the same for the lid on the cage except with no bleach (cant really rinse it because of the lighting being installed into the lid, water + electricity = not so good) 12. Dry off RTB inspect for mites under scales, if any spotted soak for another 30 minutes and inspect again, if no sign of mites dry off again and place back in tank with Toilet Paper for substrate, place Hide and Water Bowl back in with fresh water and monitor for 2-4 weeks. No mites = Im free and clear. Now did I get that right? because I really don’t want to have to do this again -.-’ rinsing the cage is such a chore and I hate not having him happy -.-’ And for a side note, I believe hes about to shed, which is great if its because hes growing, which sucks if hes trying to rid himself of mites because Im a moron, anyway, any kind of oil + RTB in shed = ? bad or good or neutral.. Ive also read that Mineral oil is good, Ive read that ALL oils are bad, Ive read that Olive oils is good and Mineral is bad, Ive even read that Vaseline (Pure Petroleum Jelly) is great... But Im a total newbie here so guide me please to victory so I may never again have to face these dreaded foe’s ! |
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| 04/24/08 02:26pm |
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Florida boy View Profile |
Message To: SkunkMan In reference to Message Id: 1714764 Its my lucky day-Mite Confirmation
Lice bedding spray, follow Provent-a mite directions. If you don’t know or can’t find the directions, then let me know and I’ll dig you up a link(really don’t feel like typing alot more.). Never used any oils befor but have heard of the technique. |
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| 04/24/08 06:52pm |
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PanterA_02 View Profile |
Message To: Florida boy In reference to Message Id: 1715164 Its my lucky day-Mite Confirmation
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| 04/25/08 08:21pm |
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SkunkMan View Profile |
Message To: PanterA_02 In reference to Message Id: 1716381 Its my lucky day-Mite Confirmation
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| 04/25/08 09:55pm |
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TJRodolph View Profile |
Message To: SkunkMan In reference to Message Id: 1716503 Its my lucky day-Mite Confirmation
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| 04/28/08 04:33pm |
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Lizardking/hfx/n.s View Profile |
Message To: TJRodolph In reference to Message Id: 1719131 Its my lucky day-Mite Confirmation
Rid is found in walmart |
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| 05/01/08 11:27pm |
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Dgmid61 View Profile |
Message To: SkunkMan In reference to Message Id: 1714764 Its my lucky day-Mite Confirmation
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| 05/02/08 02:27pm |
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Marg View Profile |
Message To: SkunkMan In reference to Message Id: 1714764 Its my lucky day-Mite Confirmation
costs about 20 bux (depending on shipping) and one can goes a Long way! Still have one can, from over a year ago :o) Here is a quote from several posts I replied to in other forums... Quote: Remove the snake from the enclosure...
Thoroughly Clean and Disinfect Everything! Get Fresh new Substrate... *If the Mites are Really bad, use news paper or paper towels, till the Mites are Gone. You Need order Provent -A-Mite, it will take a few days to arive (depending on shipping method paid for). Feed the snake(s) as scheduled, if you get refusal, try next scheduled feed day (the following week). When you get the PAM, follow directions, to the "T"! Remove all animals from that room, cover fish tanks and turn off pumps (if you have fish) until All fumes are gone, and substrate is dry. (if you use news paper, you spray the paper just as you would any other substrate) I waited 45 minutes, to be on the safe side. ...the can says... "kills up to 2 weeks - spray once a month." Follow the Directions! Can be toxic to All animals if used improperly! If there is/was One mite there will be plenty More!!! _____________________________ DO NOT SPRAY THE SNAKE!!! _____________________________ Works like if you were spraying your House for bugs. You don’t re-enter the home till fumes are gone, etc. 
Soap May kill the outter Mites (some do a short soak with One Drop of Mild dish soap), but you have to treat the Substrate, and Enclosure to irradicate All of them. Took 9-11 days to work for me... just be Sure to remove all animals from the room, till all fumes are Gone. If you have Fish, or Birds... or other animals Cover the aquarium with plastic, or saran wrap, and turn Off Pumps... Remove all pets from the room being sprayed, untill All Fumes are Gone! Highly Toxic to all animals! If you have any questions regarding use, once you have recieved it, just ask. If you are not sure how to use it, ask First :o) P-A-M really Does work... I brought home Mites with my first BP (from a pet shop). I ordered PAM, after talking with these great folks here... I treated the second BP’s tank when I got Her, Before putting her in, and quarantining... I have not had any mite signs as of yet... This Is a good investment... and One can goes a Really Long way :o) Here also are a few links a to Mite Posts, with a lil more info... some have disputed and state that you can get "other methods/products to use" But P-A-M is the only thing Proven to irradicate Mites! Link Link Link Link Here is a pic of a mite:
On the snake, or crawling on you after handling, if you find an adult mite, it kinda looks like the top of a pin, black, smaller or bigger than a pin head. Here is a Link to a web-site on The Life History of Snake Mites. P-A-M (Provent A Mite) is the only thing that is designed for reptiles and is effective on all the stages of development of the Mites. ___________________________ It can be purchased on line from Link for $19.95 + shipping. or here Link for $17.95 + shipping Most local pet stores do not carry it! ___________________________ I bought a BP from a pet store... 3 weeks later she started soaking... Thought it was "cute" swimming and such... till I found out Why she was soaking! They soak to give themselves relief! Mite Eggs take up to 30 days to hatch... and on the 30th day after I brought her home... Guess What? Yep Mites!! I ordered P-A-M (Prevent A Mite) on line at www.entirelypets.com . Used Properly it will kill all the Mites. Mites in an infestation can Kill your BP!!! Clean Everything and replace the substrate! Be sure to take out the water bowl (Wash but Do Not spray the water bowl) I removed and add fresh Aspen every week or so, and Still had the Mites! Until I used P-A-M! I’m sure your RTB is Bigger than a BP - LoL - but maybe add more than just one drop with this: Quote: What I did was... per advice of another member here
(sorry, don’t remember who). *Only do this One Time! Get a small tupperware container, with vent holes in lid (maybe in the bath tub for larger snakes) Fill it half way with Luke Warm water (or enough to cover snake Half way) Put ONE DROP of MILD dish soap (after filling with water, so as Not to make Suds) Place snake in container, let soak for 15-20 mins * * * Please Watch the snake in container, so you don’t Forget it’s n there, or that it gets Knocked Over for some odd reason!!! Put the snake back in the enclosure, on Paper Towels... and hope the shipping does not take too long. No Handling during this time... the stress of the mites is enough for the poor thing, to have handling added to it. You Can still offer prey to it, but don’t be discouraged if it refuses. I went absolutely Crazy till I got P-A-M. Be patient, and don’t stress Yourself out :o) |
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| 05/03/08 08:42am |
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Quique View Profile |
Message To: Marg In reference to Message Id: 1723887 Its my lucky day-Mite Confirmation
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| 05/03/08 08:55am |
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Bogie View Profile |
Message To: Quique In reference to Message Id: 1723895 Its my lucky day-Mite Confirmation
i used so many different sprays and rituals before i found the ultimate solution. believe it or not, in england ( i dont know what theyre like the states), the mite sprays for snakes found in shops, are considered high quality and are fairly pricey. upon buying several sprays, i have come to realise there really isnt much in these sprays other than h2o, basically.... water! but i also used to bath my snakes, clean them, remove all decor. nothing worked. i then researched all other insecticides in shops all over. and have come up with my own, almost garuanteed solution........................ sell the snakes....... im joking of course. i removed all substrate and decor, bought in new bowls and paper floor, plasctic hide etc. i then bathed my snakes for 1 hour in 95% water, 5% savlon ( the one in the blue bottle, the liquid form for baths ) whilst the snakes where bathing i sprayed a formula for aviaries as a way of getting rid of red mites, fleas, ticks, etc. i sprayed the cage thoroughly, and left it to dry, and air out. then put the snake back in. HEY PRESTO, no mites for 6 weeks. you dont even have to clean out the cage, one spraying session of the bird spray, and they die, you can even hear the mites exploding as you spray ( a kind of high pitch whizzing noise). the spray i used was called DEFEST, i recommend it every time. i can almost garauntee almost insant removal. i didnt believe it when i saw the effects. good luck. harry |
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| 05/04/08 04:48pm |
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Bogie View Profile |
Message To: Bogie In reference to Message Id: 1725036 Its my lucky day-Mite Confirmation
harry |
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| 05/07/08 02:06am |
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Marg View Profile |
Message To: Bogie In reference to Message Id: 1725036 Its my lucky day-Mite Confirmation
Quote: bathed my snakes for 1 hour in 95% water, 5% savlon I don’t know what "savlon" is, but soaking a snake for an hour is not good... can promote sale rot.
Quote: i sprayed a formula for aviaries This is for BIRDS, Not Snakes!!!
Bird mites and snake mites are 2 different species. As I said in My post: Quote: P-A-M (Provent A Mite) is the only thing that is designed for reptiles and is effective on all the stages of development of the Mites.
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| 05/07/08 04:20pm |
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Marg View Profile |
Message To: Bogie In reference to Message Id: 1725036 Its my lucky day-Mite Confirmation
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| 05/07/08 04:21pm |
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Littleindiangirl View Profile |
Message To: Marg In reference to Message Id: 1728280 Its my lucky day-Mite Confirmation
I wouldn’t take the chance using ANY product that has Permethrin (sp). Lice killer, fly killers, front line, even the oil trick. I wouldnt chance it simply on the fact that it has other chemicals besides the Permethrin, and at different percentages. Why would you use listerine (did I read that correctly) to soak your snake? That’s most likely one of the oddest things I have ever heard of. A simple bath of warm water with a drop of Dawn soap will break the surface tension and drown the mites. Mites cant swim... water will kill them. |
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| 05/07/08 06:01pm |
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Littleindiangirl View Profile |
Message To: Littleindiangirl In reference to Message Id: 1728428 Its my lucky day-Mite Confirmation
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| 05/07/08 06:51pm |
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Florida boy View Profile |
Message To: Littleindiangirl In reference to Message Id: 1728428 Its my lucky day-Mite Confirmation
Quote: you can even hear the mites exploding as you spray ( a kind of high pitch whizzing noise).
Really?!!? 
Personally, IF that is true (which no offence but I highly doubt), I wouldn’t let that stuff within 10 feet of my snakes. Think about it. Also I don’t have much or any experience with mite treatments such as Reptile Releif , but the ones that really work(P.A.M. and BK II) have the active ingredient Permetherine, which is also the same ingredient in Lice Bedding Spray (RID or Generic brand)in the same concentrations. At a fraction of the cost and no shipping nessesary, I get Equate brand bedding spray and follow the procedure listed above for P.A.M. . Although mite occurances are pretty rare at my place. As for one hour of soaking causing or contributing to scale rot. BUNK, total bunk. Scale rot comes from overly wet and dirty substrate or extreme over soaking, as in days upon days upon days, weeks habitually. Even a few days of soaking (shed, mites{godforbid)) will not even in the slightest promote scale rot. No offence to the poster of that misinformation. |
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| 05/07/08 06:57pm |
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Littleindiangirl View Profile |
Message To: Florida boy In reference to Message Id: 1728479 Its my lucky day-Mite Confirmation
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| 05/07/08 08:03pm |
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Marg View Profile |
Message To: Littleindiangirl In reference to Message Id: 1728559 Its my lucky day-Mite Confirmation
and soaking a snake for an hour... sounds to me like too much moisture. I have read other posts about using listerine (supposedly coming from a vet advice), which is why I said nothing about that. |
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| 05/08/08 07:45am |
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Littleindiangirl View Profile |
Message To: Marg In reference to Message Id: 1729022 Its my lucky day-Mite Confirmation
If that animal is dried and returned to a clean habitat, the risk of scale rot is almost non existent. Scale rot comes from consistent and prolonged contact with unsanitary enclosures and bedding, and sometimes can manifest from inside the animal, reaching the surface and becoming necrotic. The damp moisture from wet or soiled bedding (or both) promotes fungal and bacterial growth. These constant conditions will often lead to a fungal or bacterial infection on the snake, most often on the ventral scales, beginning in between the scales where the skin may be more susceptible to infection. When this tissue dies, bacterial growth can lead to bigger problems like sepsis, and has the possibility to eat through to the body cavity. If you’d like, here a really handy link to read. A quick read on different types of skin problems in snakes. :) It’s a PDF file. PLEASE DO NOT ACT OUT ANY THERAPIES DESCRIBED WITHIN WITHOUT FIRST CONSULTING A QUALIFIED HERP VET!!! They are trained to identify what’s wrong and what therapy is best for your animal!!! Link |
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| 05/08/08 10:17am |
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Bogie View Profile |
Message To: Littleindiangirl In reference to Message Id: 1729140 Its my lucky day-Mite Confirmation
i was recommended that as it is as safe for any animal, just like us humans bath in it aswell. it has the same affect as any oil, which people use for mite removal. the bird spray, is for red mites, know i dont think they would make a spray that is good for getting rid of one type of mite, and another which is for another type of mite. i cant see any harm. the popping whizzing noise, im not sure wat that is, but i like to think it is them exploding haha, i have a passion for destroying those critters. the advice about the savlon and the bird spray were from Mark Amey, one of englands leading exotic pet specialists ( works with attenborough, head of the sugar glider association, tv presenter etc.) im not sure how qualified all of you are, but im sure your all well experienced, i know florida boy is. so im not trying to discredit all of you in the least bit, im just saying i trust Mark Amey with any animal. and hey ! the solution worked, my snakes are showing no sign of illness or ailments, so i am happy. also to whoever it was that said the spray is for birds, not snakes, i do not regard that as a problem, we use many things on animals which we would use for ourselves and vice versa. i for one know people that drink reptisafe, in every glass of water they have. it is beneficial not only to reptiles! each to their own ! thanks, harry |
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| 05/08/08 03:44pm |
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