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#1911397
Doug2
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This is wrong 
Some people have no heart. I’m all for live feeding but not at this degree.
http://www.youtube .com/watch?v=-y9CE8T9TF4&feature=related
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12/08/08 09:44pm
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#1911449
Kytten
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Message To: Doug2 In reference to Message Id: 1911397
This is wrong
that was pretty sick...people do the stupidest things. i feed live, but i do it as humanley as possible (like knocking out the rodent first) and people wonder why snakes get a bad rap...ignorant people who shouldn’t own them as novelties
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12/09/08 12:03am
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#1911452
Flameethrower
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Message To: Kytten In reference to Message Id: 1911449
This is wrong
Sorry to say but stunning the prey by smacking it is not HUMANE one bit. a stunend rat that awkaes is extremly stressed and scared and in this state will casue way mroe harm than anything. the nsake is in mroe danger that feeding live.
if feeding pre-killed do it the right way CO2
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12/09/08 12:13am
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#1911491
ShadowAceD
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Message To: Flameethrower In reference to Message Id: 1911452
This is wrong
It is jacked up to give your snake a prey item that is so small it would rather eat it whole and alive than kill it, but the fact of the matter is, the same thing would happen in nature. You think snakes always happen across prey items that require a great amount of effort to devour? No. They don’t. Grant it, filming this and placing it on YouTube as some sickening display is wrong, but the process itself is not. If you choose to feed live, then you take the consequences of that. If you want to kill it before you feed it to the animal, you do not stun it. You take responsibility and end its life completely. Otherwise, you toss it to your animal and let nature do what nature does. Yes, the animal may be bitten, yes, it may be scratched but it will heal and it will get over it. If you are concerned about this, feed frozen/thawed. I’m sorry the chick had to deal with so much fear and anguish before its death but the life of a chicken, in general, is not a good one. If not snake food then it would likely be killed for humans and, let me tell you, death from a snake is often more humane than death from a human. Snakes need to eat and whether or not you killed the animal first it did, at one point in time, suffer to some extent. Even with CO2.
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12/09/08 06:35am
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#1911920
Kytten
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Message To: Flameethrower In reference to Message Id: 1911452
This is wrong
either way the animal still suffers and its hard to do it "humanely". plz, next time you offer criticism, spell check. i could barley understand what you said. Stunning is not the best, and can be harmful if not done right, but usually the food item at least dies first before harming the snake. but this controversy isn’t just about how to feed your snake, its people being able to deal with our human morals and whether or not we are playing "god" by offering a live beings life for that of another. too much to even get into. i feel sorry for the chick, but this would have happened in nature regardless....
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12/09/08 10:00pm
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#1911973
ShadowAceD
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Message To: Kytten In reference to Message Id: 1911920
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I really doubt that is the issue here. If we are "playing God (which is extremely generalized anyway because not everyone believes in a god at all)" by offering live animals to our snakes to eat ... then we do it to ourselves when we house cattle, chickens, goats and other live stock in factories where their only purpose in life is to become fat, be killed and then be eaten. That is not "playing God" it is nature. The whole consumers vs. producers and the niche that each organism is supposed to fulfill. All animals suffer at some point in time before death, humans included. It’s a natural thing and when one living create devours another it creates a natural balance. If people have an issue with that then they should not own animals that can only survive by eating other animals.
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12/10/08 12:12am
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#1912408
Kytten
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Message To: ShadowAceD In reference to Message Id: 1911973
This is wrong
thats exactly my point. people find this wrong because of our morals, and most people do have some kind of religion that plays a part in the way they view subjects. I agree that it’s perfectly natural to consume other living matter, plants included, to survive. Everything living is made up of organic matter, and they way to keep living is to continue that cycle. but what they guy did in the video is not natural. people don’t go out in the wild and feed whatever sbake they find a chick that has no other choice. i think thats what the big problem is here, with what people are saying
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12/10/08 08:51pm
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#1912536
ShadowAceD
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Message To: Kytten In reference to Message Id: 1912408
This is wrong
I agree for the most part, but I fail to see what is wrong with feeding the chick to the snake. If a snake was in the wild and happened upon a farm where chicken’s are kept then boom ... whoever it catches first is going to be eaten. The same if it were to run into any creature it could devour. What I wonder is, would anyone be so disturbed if it were a rat or a mouse than ended up being eaten the same way as this chick? I think the only thing that really upsets people is the chick crying while it is dying. Keeping snakes is not natural. We do it, but it is not really NATURAL to keep any wild animal in containment because, captive bred or not, snakes still have the ability to be wild animals without human influence. Grant it, they will likely lose their natural fear of us as predators, but that is it. Snakes do not normally feed on just mice and rats or rabbits. They feed on a variety of things and, actually, a snake devouring a chick of some sort is far more likely. Especially a boa. So, to say it is unnatural is inaccurate. Again, I find it annoying the guy deliberately threw his snake a prey item too small for the snake to bother constricting, but I don’t really see the issue with it beyond poor judgement.
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12/11/08 01:15am
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#1912584
Grogansilver
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Message To: ShadowAceD In reference to Message Id: 1912536
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Can somebody tell me what kind of writing that was in the beginning of the film because it looks like something from the middle east and if that’s the case I’m not going there because they would probably feed me to the snake alive too like they did that poor chick.
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12/11/08 06:49am
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#1912596
ShadowAceD
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Message To: Grogansilver In reference to Message Id: 1912584
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Yeah, let’s not turn this into a stereotyped discussion. The country of origin has nothing to do with this.
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12/11/08 07:14am
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#1912823
Grogansilver
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Message To: ShadowAceD In reference to Message Id: 1912596
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12/11/08 03:32pm
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#1913607
Zuri_08
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Message To: Grogansilver In reference to Message Id: 1912823
This is wrong
I for one thought it stupid to feed a chick that size to a Boa that big! I didnt mind that it was a live because I have grwon up and realized that it happens in REAL LIFE! Get over it. I think, as a keeper, it wasa waste of time to feed a snake that big a small meal...now that was dumb!
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12/12/08 07:10pm
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#1914018
Rambo08
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Message To: Zuri_08 In reference to Message Id: 1913607
 This is wrong
Ok well everyone has their opinion but I personaly would like to meet the person who did this and feed them to a large cat of some sort. Having these animals is awlsome but people who do stupid crap like this need to be relieved of their snakes. And anyone who enjoyed watching that aswell.
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12/13/08 03:01pm
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#1914238
ShadowAceD
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Message To: Rambo08 In reference to Message Id: 1914018
This is wrong
Why would they need to be relieved of their snake? Because they fed it? Would it bother you if they fed it a chick that they could constrict around before eating it? Would it bother you if they fed it a mouse or a rat or perhaps even a rabbit? Seriously. That is a major hypocrisy. While I cannot agree with his personal choice in feeding such a small prey item, he was still being a responsible owner in that he was feeding his animal. So, I truly fail to see what that is such an issue. I’m sorry but I do not see what is so disturbing about the video. I’m pretty sure there are more graphic things on Animal Planet and the Discovery Channel.
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12/14/08 12:18am
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#1914304
Rambo08
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Message To: ShadowAceD In reference to Message Id: 1914238
 This is wrong
Well All im saying is that if he cant afford to buy an appropriate meal for his snake then he shouldn’t have it all all. Im not against feeding it any kind of animal but thats just FN retarted. And why feed it something that small anyway? Its just a tease for the snake. I want my girl to appreciate the meals I give her. Not feeding her popcorn chicken when she really wants a breast or thigh!...lol Im not against feeding live either but give them something to work for.
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12/14/08 09:48am
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#1914583
ShadowAceD
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Message To: Rambo08 In reference to Message Id: 1914304
This is wrong
No offense, but your snake will not appreciate anything you do for it. It’ll just be content to eat. Doesn’t matter how big or small.
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12/14/08 08:34pm
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