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#1677194
Christianator
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Rosy boa substrate 
Can you use sand for rosy boas?
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03/26/08 09:29pm
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#1677370
ColdBlooded666
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Message To: Christianator In reference to Message Id: 1677194
Rosy boa substrate
NO...DO NOT USE SAND FOR ANY SNAKE. Sand is really bad for any snake. It can cause an impaction. Use aspen(make sure you clean it out every so often, switch it for new), papertowel, or newspaper as substrate.
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03/26/08 11:47pm
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#1677408
Norf
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Message To: ColdBlooded666 In reference to Message Id: 1677370
Rosy boa substrate
Sand is needed for sand boas and other desert dwelling reptiles. Aspen sucks the humidity out of the air. Don’t use aspen. Didn’t you want a carpet python and an ATB as well?
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03/27/08 12:29am
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#1677487
ColdBlooded666
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Message To: Norf In reference to Message Id: 1677408
Rosy boa substrate
Rosy Boas do not need humidity. Aspen is perfectly fine for a Rosy Boa since their humidity level only needs to be about 20% and aspen is fine substrate for a rosy also since they like to burrow. And actually sand isn’t even recommended for Sand boas either.
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03/27/08 02:35am
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#1677790
Albinorosyboa
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Message To: Norf In reference to Message Id: 1677408
Rosy boa substrate
your a moron sorry to say.. sand is not NEEDED for anything there are many other things a sandboa can use... and as for aspen goes its perfect for rosyboa beings rosy DO NOT !! need humidity it will kill them but then again you wouldent know that now would you.. dont post if you dont know what the hell you are talking about.. mabey you should on google and learn some about snakes..
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03/27/08 01:51pm
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#1678147
Norf
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Message To: Albinorosyboa In reference to Message Id: 1677790
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Oh, how stupid of me. Of course SAND boas and other DESERT dwelling reptiles don’t use SAND, because when they’re in the wild, they look around for some real nice aspen shavings to slither around in. My bad about the aspen. I just don’t use that crap. And then again why would I use it for ball, rock pythons and varanids right?
Sarcastically yours,
Norf
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03/27/08 06:07pm
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#1678148
Norf
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Message To: Albinorosyboa In reference to Message Id: 1677790
Rosy boa substrate
Oh, how stupid of me. Of course SAND boas and other DESERT dwelling reptiles don’t use SAND, because when they’re in the wild, they look around for some real nice aspen shavings to slither around in. My bad about the aspen. I just don’t use that crap. And then again why would I use it for ball, rock pythons and varanids right?
Sarcastically yours,
Norf
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03/27/08 06:07pm
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#1678173
ColdBlooded666
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Message To: Norf In reference to Message Id: 1678148
Rosy boa substrate
Umm actually sand can hurt sand boas as well. Ask anyone here, they don’t recommend sand either. Sand is the same for any snake, it can cause impaction. And aspen is best for the snakes like Rosys who don’t need humidity and like to burrow...aspen is also used for SAND BOAS as well. And for snakes that get bigger then say...3 feet..and NEED humidity you wouldn’t use aspen anyway since it doesn’t HOLD humidity.
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03/27/08 06:18pm
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#1678497
Norf
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Message To: ColdBlooded666 In reference to Message Id: 1678173
Rosy boa substrate
Yeah dude, old news. Re-read what I said above man then you’ll know what I meant, coldblooded"666" why that god damn number?
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03/27/08 09:11pm
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#1678671
ColdBlooded666
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Message To: Norf In reference to Message Id: 1678497
Rosy boa substrate
Ummm actually i’m a girl thank you very much and my husband was the the one that called you the moron. And 666 because its a freakin number in my name get over it. Who cares about someones name..i’ve seen like 10 people on here with 666 in their name..
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03/27/08 10:56pm
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#1678736
Norf
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Message To: ColdBlooded666 In reference to Message Id: 1678671
Rosy boa substrate
If your married then I believe the proper term is "woman" (heh heh). It was just a question, calm down. Oh and tell your husband "thank you" for me for being an @sshole (sarcastically). :)
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03/28/08 12:15am
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#1679261
Halebop
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Message To: ColdBlooded666 In reference to Message Id: 1678173
Rosy boa substrate
I’ve actually come across a lot of sand boa owners on here that DO recommend sand, so long as you don’t feed on sand. The problem that a lot of people on here have is that they always think they’re right and everyone else is wrong and get angry, rude, and defensive if they disagree with someone else’s opinion. A lot of breeders and a lot of reputable pet stores, specifically those that specialize in reptiles, as well as some zoo care sheets say that sand is OK for some snake species, such as sand boas, so long as you don’t feed them on sand. I personally wouldn’t use sand, but that doesn’t mean it’s always wrong, and that doesn’t mean that those who use sand are wrong. A lot of people on here really need to chill out and remove whatever object they shoved up their @ss that’s making them so uptight, defensive, and rude.
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03/28/08 01:28pm
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#1679303
ColdBlooded666
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Message To: Halebop In reference to Message Id: 1679261
Rosy boa substrate
Well still...sand isn’t even used in our reptile shops. They use aspen, papertowel or carefresh stuff. I actually know ALOT of people on here that don’t recommend sand what so ever and i don’t either. I don’t own a sand boa myself but i wouldn’t even sand for it.
So as mentioned, don’t use sand for a rosy boa. Stick with aspen, papertowel or newspaper. Stay away from the sand!
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03/28/08 02:04pm
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#1679389
Halebop
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Message To: ColdBlooded666 In reference to Message Id: 1679303
Rosy boa substrate
I agree with you on the whole not using sand thing, but that doesn’t mean it’s ALWAYS wrong and that people who use sand are wrong. A lot of people on here need to be a little more...open minded to ideas different than their own, that’s all I’m saying
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03/28/08 03:27pm
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#1679792
Snakecharmer713
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Message To: Halebop In reference to Message Id: 1679389
Rosy boa substrate
I own a sand boa and I use BOTH aspen and sand. The sand causes impaction if you 1: feed in the tank on the sand, 2: put water on the sand and the snake gets the sand wet from going in and out of the dish. Then the sanke can also get RI from the wet sand.
I put aspen on one side where the water is and seperate with rocks and aquarium sealer. The other side is sand. You need the sand that is for a sand boa. There are different kinds of sand so look on the bag for the info.
*** I do not put ANYTHING in my tank unless VET approved.***
There are pros and cons of sand and you need to reserch both sides before you out aspen or sand or anything in the tank.
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03/28/08 08:46pm
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#1679968
ColdBlooded666
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Message To: Snakecharmer713 In reference to Message Id: 1679792
Rosy boa substrate
See...Sand can use impaction and other illnesses on Sand Boas. I know we’re talking about a Rosy being on sand which is a NOOO...and i actually wouldn’t even recommend sand on ANY type of snake but thats just my personal preference.
But as said, stay away from sand for a Rosy Boa.
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03/28/08 10:53pm
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#1680245
Snakecharmer713
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Message To: ColdBlooded666 In reference to Message Id: 1679968
 Rosy boa substrate
ColdBlooded666 (thanks for stating personal preferance, do you have a sand or rosey? just curious! :)}
Can cause problems if you don’t have proper sand, feed on sand,water in sand. IF you do those thing yes you will have problems. Lou has been on her sand/aspen for 2yrs with no problems. I asked a VET and it is safe IF you do the right things.
In the wild they burrow in dirt, sand and anything there nose can dig in. The are a sand boa...and its all in what you prefer to put in the tank.
When I got Lou she had problems shedding. I had her on reptile carpet and she tried to dig in it. It was sad to watch her try to dig and get nothing. I asked the vet if sand was good for her and he told me the pros and cons. I can list them for you {he gave me a print out} Her being in the sand has helped her shed by herself with zero problems.
And do you put a tree in a boas tank so it can climb?{not a sand boa} What if they fall? What if the tail pulls the tree down on them? If your a good owner {and you sound like you are!} then just atch your pet and if you feel there is a problem then fix it.
Sand or aspen...they both do good for me!
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03/29/08 06:33am
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#1680462
Albinorosyboa
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Message To: Snakecharmer713 In reference to Message Id: 1680245
Rosy boa substrate
if sand is what you wana use and you know how go ahead im not saying your doing anything wrong snakecharmer. my self I wouldent use it b/c i wouldent risk my snakes life. to answer your question coldblooded has a rosyboa as do I. also have BP n Red tail. the reason shes saying NOT to use sand is all the things we have read about that has gone wrong and all the people who have talked to in are area(snake breeders n reptial stores) have told us to stay away from sand im not saying to do it im just saying thats what were doing from stuff we have been told. sand for sand boa go ahead if u want.. but for a rosyboa its a NO!
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03/29/08 11:51am
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#1681562
Snakecharmer713
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Message To: Albinorosyboa In reference to Message Id: 1680462
Rosy boa substrate
Thats cool. I have no problem with the sand and the breeder my second came from used it to. I just wanted people to know the good and bad points to it. I was not being rude {I hope you don’t think that} I wanted to know how many other people had a sand or rosy boa. I also want you to know I have all my pets to a good rep. vet and the sand I got was through the vet office. He, the vet, uses it in his sand boa tank also. I was also told you could use shredded newspaper and it was cheeper.
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03/29/08 11:41pm
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#1681707
ColdBlooded666
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Message To: Snakecharmer713 In reference to Message Id: 1681562
Rosy boa substrate
My husband and i..as mentioned both have Rosy Boas. He has a female and i have a male..a future breeding project you could say. I actually would never use sand on a snake..maybe a lizard but thats a bit iffy to. I actually don’t use aspen anymore since it gets dusty and also helped cause my Rosys RI a few weeks back. Hes fine now but i’m not using aspen for a while..i’d like something new but there isn’t anything good. Now hes just on papertowel as well as my husband’s female. I’ll post pics!
This is my male.
And his female.
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03/30/08 02:20am
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#1682552
Snakecharmer713
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Message To: ColdBlooded666 In reference to Message Id: 1681707
Rosy boa substrate
They are beautiful. I never heard of aspen doing that! I am keeping an eye on the kenyans in the sand/aspen just in case. I had a rosy on order when I got Lou. I fell in love and took her insted. 
Now I have her mate also...Lucian. He is tiny. 
We hope to breed next season if they are both ready. Thaks for your pics!
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03/30/08 07:19pm
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#1683100
ColdBlooded666
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Message To: Snakecharmer713 In reference to Message Id: 1682552
Rosy boa substrate
Yea same here for us...hopeing to breed next season. My male is a bit small still...only 2 feet long, plus you also have to wait for the right weight and such. So we’ll have to see. Really nice lookin Sand Boa!! They have the cutest noses lol
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03/30/08 11:53pm
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#1683124
Monty08
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Message To: Snakecharmer713 In reference to Message Id: 1682552
Rosy boa substrate
For God’s Sake! Stop fighting like a bunch of school girls! Just because a snake is called "SandBoa" Doesnt mean it uses Sand!! And for a Viper snake doesnt mean it drive a Viper Car. I’ve seen some SandBoas live in Sand..when they eat something the sand CAN impact there tummy and WILL die. So please just study on "Snakes And Sand" Google or Yahoo Search. And enough making fun of other peoples ID just because you cant fight back over the N-E-T!!!!
Elvia.
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03/31/08 12:21am
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#1683144
Snakecharmer713
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Message To: Monty08 In reference to Message Id: 1683124
Rosy boa substrate
Thats why I DON’T feed on the sand or in the tank. I feed in a tub on paper towel. I didn’t want to op to use sand just wanted them to see the good and bad pionts (as ColdBlooded666 pointed out about the aspen and sand) Some people have had a bad time with sand while others have had good experiance. Just do the reserch and make an informed decision. I said before ALL of my stuff is vet approved and my vet is strait forward about everything.
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03/31/08 12:59am
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#1683392
SusanC
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Message To: Snakecharmer713 In reference to Message Id: 1683144
Rosy boa substrate
I have this mental image of these snakes..stopping their prey in the wild saying... hold on a second could you move off of the sand.. i wouldn’t want to accidentally ingest it and become poopy clogged and die lol
I agree.. you ask everyone here the exact same question.. and everyone will have a different opinion. That doesn’t make it wrong... just makes it their opinion. I’m looking at my Boa book and yes sand is fine.. but then again it says so are aspen.. PINE (and we all know everyone here says NEVER use pine on any snake) news paper and paper towel( Barrons’ Boas.A Complete Pet Owners Manual pg 77).. but THANK GOD some of us have the sense God gave a goose and actually look the information up for ourselves. Even google and places on the net have some information that people on here would consider wrong. I suggest finding a good authoritatively written book on Boas and read it... read it some more... ask questions..debunk the answers you get from other people... and JUST when you think you know what the heck you’re talking about... read the dang book again. I’ve even had people on here tell me that these books are incorrect just b/c THEY don’t do it like that. LMAO
My major question would be why do things become a science when in captivity... when in the wild.. they happen just like what people here are saying do not do. If sand boas and rosy boas are desert species... is someone going to tell me that they don’t eat on the sand? If corn snakes are found in pine barrens... then why the heck can’t they be housed on pine? Looks like to me human beings make stuff more complicated than it should be. Why can’t we all just be up here doing what we came up here to do.. discuss our love of snakes.. and if you ask for advice... look it up... don’t take someone’s word for it... and if you’re going to give advice... back it up with a resource cited. there are probably about 5 people on here that I would take their word as gospel without debunking b/c they can quote the books almost as well as I can... saying "because i have one and I said so" doesn’t cut it for me. Cite your reference. People will be more apt to believe what you say. Hmmm guess I’ll slide off of this soap box now....
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03/31/08 11:09am
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#1683526
SusanC
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Message To: SusanC In reference to Message Id: 1683392
Rosy boa substrate
dang... now that i’ve had lunch.. got away from my desk.. I see where it might appear that I’m in a shytty mood... sorry guys... I just get so danged sick of coming on forum and it has become such a freaking fight fest all the time. if the person is going to ask everyone else’s opinion instead of taking the time to look it up... then I guess they get what they deserve... lol heck i ask 4 y’alls opinion all the time.. but that doesn’t mean I don’t go behind everyone and look it up myself... once again... was just having a stupid morning...I try not to ever get caught up in the drama of the net... it just gets old after a while... ya know? Sorry. 
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03/31/08 01:51pm
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#1683560
ColdBlooded666
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Message To: Monty08 In reference to Message Id: 1683124
Rosy boa substrate
This post wasn’t even about Sand Boas to begin with. I had recommended the poster a Rosy Boa for a beginner snake. The question was about a Rosy not a Sand Boa. Even if i had a sand boa i probably wouldn’t even use sand as it is. Yea sure i’ve read sand is okay and i’ve also read pine is okay which i know for sure that its not. I’ve had a bad experience even with Aspen but it doesn’t mean i wouldn’t go back to using it. Right now my rosy is on papertowel so i can manage his temps better since right now...since its cold still its a bit harder then it was in the summer. I know that everyone has their preferences and so do i but sorry i will never use sand and i’m still even debating going back to aspen but i would if i had to. Thats my preferences sooo lets drop it..
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03/31/08 02:26pm
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#1683831
Snakecharmer713
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Message To: ColdBlooded666 In reference to Message Id: 1683560
Rosy boa substrate
AMEN TO THAT!
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03/31/08 04:45pm
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#1687240
Tefoe
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Message To: Snakecharmer713 In reference to Message Id: 1683831
Rosy boa substrate
To honk my own horn here!!!!
I happen to have dealt with every reptile common in the trade for the past 15++ years....
My dollar here:I would not put a rosy boa on sand simply,because they are not as apt as sand boas
when it comes to moving through various substrates.......
Look at the difference between a rosy and sand snouts.......You’ve got a normal snout and a shovel.....
I use sand for all of my sand boas,no other snakes though.....I have never had a problem with impaction...BUT!!I do not feed my Sb on the sand,and they are moved to shredded paper when its time to give birth....
It doesn’t mean your going to have problems if you put your rosy on sand,to be safe I say,"don’t" even though they do like to burrow.Just don’t feed on the sand............
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04/02/08 11:02pm
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#1774859
Lmonne
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Message To: Tefoe In reference to Message Id: 1687240
Rosy boa substrate
wow everyone is crazy. as far as the best substrate... 2 words... desert snow.
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06/26/08 07:57pm
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