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 #224442


Dubious1
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 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

ARE THESE RECOMENED FOR THE BEGINER BOA OWNER? Can you guys give info on them



01/17/05  06:24pm

 #225173


Carmelita
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  Message To: Dubious1   In reference to Message Id: 224442


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

Not recommended for beginners.



01/18/05  01:05pm

 #225894


Pelota
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  Message To: Dubious1   In reference to Message Id: 224442


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

Yeah, I’m with Carmelita. A good beginner arboreal is the Amazon Tree Boa. They’ve got easier husbandry needs, and are more forgiving of simple husbandry errors. A good all around hardy snake for the beginner.



01/19/05  01:21am

 #225986


N2t
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  Message To: Pelota   In reference to Message Id: 225894


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

I once asked a very wise man about owning etb and atb.."you will bleed son".



01/19/05  07:47am

 #226020


Carmelita
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  Message To: N2t   In reference to Message Id: 225986


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

rotfl



01/19/05  08:51am

 #226799


Strobe
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  Message To: N2t   In reference to Message Id: 225986


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

haha



01/19/05  10:14pm

 #227202


Ziggytheminstrel
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  Message To: Dubious1   In reference to Message Id: 224442


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

Here’s the care sheet info. I would pay attention to the "Behavior" section. Stick with something that is a little easier to care for, and less likely to make you lose an eye.

Emerald Tree Boa
Common Group: BOA CONSTRICTORS
Common Name: Emerald Tree Boa
Scientific Name: Corallus caninus
Distribution: Northern S. America
Size: 5’ - 6’
Natural habitat
This arboreal species inhabits the tropical rain forest Large habitat should provide lots of climbing areas. When captive, adults require a 24” x 24” x 48” enclosure.

Behavior
Usually aggressive, only minimal taming with handling.

Captive environment
Use full spectrum lighting 12-14 hours per day. Provide a basking area with access to a cooler zone. Provide several climbing areas on branches, logs, & plants.

Temperature
Day temperature should be gradient from 78 to 90 degrees F. Maintain night temperature range between 72-80 degrees F. Use reptile heating pads under tank for 24-hour heat.

Humidity
This species requires a constant high level of humidity.

Water requirements
Provide a large fairly deep bowl for drinking and soaking.

Nutritional requirements
This species is a carnivore (meat eater). Feed appropriate sized rodents (mice, hamsters, rats). Pre-killed food is recommended for this species. Also eats birds.



01/20/05  01:52pm

 #251390


Dubious1
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  Message To: Ziggytheminstrel   In reference to Message Id: 227202


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

I am trying to decide wheather to got a etb or a ball python.



02/17/05  08:24pm

 #251458


Pelota
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  Message To: Dubious1   In reference to Message Id: 251390


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

I assume you’d want to have a snake you could handle once in a while and enjoy, so I’d say you should go with a ball python. Their care is much easier than a tree boa. Plus, arboreal snakes are more for show, rather than handling and stuff. It’s up to you though. Only you know what you can handle.



02/17/05  09:04pm

 #251469


Dubious1
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  Message To: Pelota   In reference to Message Id: 251458


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

It is so hard to decide because I would like them both but I will only get them if I have enough time and money. Emerald tree boas are hard to find in winnipeg so If I found one I would have to snatch it up granted if I know what I need to about them.



02/17/05  09:12pm

 #251484


Pelota
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  Message To: Dubious1   In reference to Message Id: 251469


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

Just remember, just because it’s a hard to find snake, doesn’t mean you should get it. There’s a lot of planning, and care to go into them. They’re arboreal so they need specific caging with specific heating and perches and stuff. I’d love to have an ETB or ATB or GTP, but right now I don’t think I could care for them the way they need it, lol.



02/17/05  09:23pm

 #251497


Dubious1
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  Message To: Pelota   In reference to Message Id: 251484


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

I’ll probablly get the ball first and the etb later on when I have a good paying job.



02/17/05  09:33pm

 #251890


Munkyboy
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  Message To: Dubious1   In reference to Message Id: 251497


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

Smart move!



02/18/05  12:44pm

 #271474


Dubious1
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  Message To: Munkyboy   In reference to Message Id: 251890


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

I have changed my mind on the ETB I think I’ll get a green tree python instead so much better looking.



03/11/05  02:00pm

 #273656


Hammer
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  Message To: Ziggytheminstrel   In reference to Message Id: 227202


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

I tend to take a different view on them. First, the care sheet doesn’t sound like a very good one to me. I have two emeralds (had three, but one died). They were very calm and easy to hold. The largest is about 5 feet long. I have him in a Rubbermaid. I had him in a 2x2x4 foot enclosure, but it was hard maintaining proper heat and humidity. They rarely come down to the ground, so no need for a heating pad, since they won’t rest on the bottom. They don’t really need that much climbing area either. A nice clean Rubbermaid does the trick.

I don’t have a lot of boids. I have two emeralds, one green tree python, one ball and one red tail. The green tree is the most willing to bite, with the others very easy to handle. If you’re willing to provide good care and not handle them much, I’d say go for the emerald.



03/13/05  07:42pm

 #280659


CAGEDEZINES
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  Message To: Hammer   In reference to Message Id: 273656


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

It really amazes me on how many people think that keeping a snake in a rubbermaid is satisfactory. Dont you feel we owe it to the snake which we have turned into a pet for out enjoyment something a little nice then a plastc tub. I mean dont get me wrong i am no tree hugging hippie, but i am very apposed to keeping snakes in something that was designed for storing stuff. If you are going to invest all this money and time in a reptile which is a good looking as a Chondra dont you think you should get it a nice enclosure for it to live in. I mean would you keep you dog in a rubbermaid, or how about bird? NO the reason is they were not created for habitats. This really should not be something that should be suggested to new people.



03/20/05  01:49pm

 #280712


N2t
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  Message To: CAGEDEZINES   In reference to Message Id: 280659


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

Rubbermades are a great enclosure, better than 90 percent of what’s on the market now. Many companies make rack systems to store these rubbermades and steralites specificly. At least one company is selling xmastree boxes and other rubbermades specificly for snakes. A snake wants simple things, propper heat, food, humidity, and security, and not to be eaten or attacked...a rubbermade provides these things very well. Since they are pretty secure escapes are not common, they don’t have screen lids so humidity is controlled where how many and how large the ventalation, they retain heat well, and they are not perfecly clear so the snake tends to feel very secure in them. Remember what the snake finds appealing and what we do are two diff things. They are great begginer setups, making it economical for new and young herpers to provide propper habitats for a variety of snakes and enabling them to spend the extra on a higher quality animal, food, heat, and vet care if needed. Rubbermades, newspaper, and plastic dog dishes with cut out handles are gods gift to all herpers!



03/20/05  02:57pm

 #281047


CAGEDEZINES
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  Message To: N2t   In reference to Message Id: 280712


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

Well i do not beleive that snakes should be housed in anything with screen anyway. That is just another thing they can rub against and cause sores and infections. I make cages out of melomine which can do the same thing you are talking about with the proper "essentials" and are much more appealing. plus when talking about any tree boas i say that they need a enclosure which should be tall enough to give them the proper security in a tree like enviroment. I thought above you suggested or said you were keeping a green tree python in a rubbermaid. I just think that is like keeping a chamelion in a rubbermaid.



03/20/05  08:16pm

 #281082


LizardKing
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  Message To: N2t   In reference to Message Id: 280712


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

i agree with n2t. snakes would much rather be left alone. they don’t want to be gawked at by slack jawed yokels all the time. cagedezines, you said you wouldnt put a dog or bird in a rubbermaid, thats an ENTIRELY different situation than with a snake. oh and lets not forget that cagedezines, you do build and SELL cages right?



03/20/05  08:38pm

 #281339


CAGEDEZINES
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  Message To: LizardKing   In reference to Message Id: 281082


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

Yeah i was not trying to sell anyone cages. The reason i do it is to keep yoked jaw yokels from keeping them in Walmart cages. I may sell the cages but i am not making this into a please buy cages from me, i don’t need to beg. Most people who take pride in their boids, or Chandra’s will take a cage which will look nice and mimic their snakes regular habitat over a plastic bucket which i use for tools and clothes. I mean i am not saying that everyone should pay an arm and a leg for a cage, but i think that you at least owe it to your snake to not put it in a bucket. And last time i checked i own these animals because i like them and i like to educate others about them. Kinda hard to explain how hard and time consuming these reptiles are to take care of when i am pulling them out of a plastic trashcan with some make bozo lighting. Spend some money and leave walmart for hinges and silicone, Not for a trashcan with a nice lid.
And lastly i am a reptile owner first, Cages are just what i make to pay for reptile i have to take care of because someone mistreated it.



03/21/05  12:00am

 #281354


CAGEDEZINES
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  Message To: CAGEDEZINES   In reference to Message Id: 281339


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

Hey i just checked out your pics and i dont see you keeping anything in a rubbermaid. Just wondering what you’re keeping that RTB in??



03/21/05  12:15am

 #281477


Hammer
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  Message To: CAGEDEZINES   In reference to Message Id: 281354


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????


A good set up will provide your snake with a stress free environment, proper heat, humidity and security. If your snake eats readily, sheds problem free and reproduces, then you’ve hit upon the correct combination of environmental controls. A Rubbermaid provides those controls. A snake is a high-stress animal and shuns attention, like the attention it gets in a display. Regardless how enjoyable you like the view, it may stress out the snake and over time, affect its health. To impose a human’s standard of "enjoyment" on a snake is amateurish. All your professionals use Rubbermaids in a rack system and have found them to be superior to anything in the past. They are easy to clean and therefore provide a sterile environment, free from mites and unsanitary conditions due to residual water, humidity and trapped fecal matter.

There are some exceptions. Those exceptions though are not under this heading, since most boids are better off in Rubbermaids. If you’re housing a retic or green anaconda, then you’re on your own as to the proper housing.

Custom enclosures look nice and are good as displays, but what’s more important, your enjoyment or the health of your animal? … Oh, I have screen lids on some of my enclosures and have never had a case of nose rub, ever. It’s all a matter of knowing what you have and what their requirements are.



03/21/05  06:46am

 #281488


SCSnakeman
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  Message To: Hammer   In reference to Message Id: 281477


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

I’ll go ahead and put in my 4 cents worth after inflation. The only reason that I do not use the Rubbermaid containers is that I like to be able to look into my cages and see my snakes when they are not in a hide which is most of the time. The Rubbermaid containers do provide everything that most snakes need to feel secure and stress free. I know from experience that you can control temperature and humidity much much easier in the Rubbermaid that you can in a Critter cage which is what I use.



03/21/05  07:04am

 #281500


Hammer
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  Message To: SCSnakeman   In reference to Message Id: 281488


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

But in your case, you’ve been doing this for a long time and know your animals very well. You pretty much know what I have, and know that I have a variety of enclosures to suit the needs of my animals. So I agree with you that you can have it both ways as long as you are setting it up for the snake first, your pleasure second--as I know you do.

I was thinking that on this forum, where there is very little motion on the part of the GTP/ETB, a display set up may not prove to be the best for the snake. My GTP is next to my bed in a large Rubbermaid and I can see it pretty easily and enjoy it while it seems to feel very safe inside. When I had my adult emerald in a 2x2x4 glass enclosure, it always seemed dry and cold, even with proper heat and humidity controls. I moved it into a Rubbermaid a few months ago and it seems in a lot better health.

Actually, I found Rubbermaids to be best with boids and arboreal vipers. Elapids seem to enjoy more room than a Rubbermaid can offer. I’ll try and post a photo of the new enclosure I just made for my O. H. It’s a 4x4x4 acrylic enclosure, secured together with silicone. I basically made a large aquarium with a sliding glass door in front and a flip-top for easy access.



03/21/05  07:43am

 #281668


LizardKing
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  Message To: CAGEDEZINES   In reference to Message Id: 281339


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

sorry, i wasnt trying to make it seem like your trying to sell cages to us right now lol. i don’t know, i think racks and rubbermaids are great for younger and most snakes. i do agree that putting them in a display cage would be nice eventually. i think that once a snake reaches 6 ft, you should take it out of the rack and put it in a cage anyways. rubbermaids or sterilites that would fit in most racks wouldnt hold a large enough tub for it to be able to thermoregulate, be comfortable, etc.
i only have 2 snakes, and getting a pair delivered next week. i do keep my bull in a sterilite. i keep my centralian python in a ten gallon, because its young and slighty arboreal so i keep a branch in there for him to hang out on. im getting 2 diff racks soon, and will put them both i it, but once they reach 5 or 6 ft i’ll put them in cage.
rtb? i don’t have one. i’m getting a pair of hogg island boas, and they’ll be kept in sterilites as well.



03/21/05  12:47pm

 #281676


Cenapier
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  Message To: Hammer   In reference to Message Id: 281500


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

i have a 30x30x72 screen enclosure. could i keep a GTP in that?

i also have a questian about the rubbermaids, how do you get good ventilation in a plastic container?



03/21/05  12:53pm

 #281683


LizardKing
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  Message To: Cenapier   In reference to Message Id: 281676


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

drill holes in it. i think the boaphile plastics guy was saying his new rhinoraxx have some sort of ventiliation feature, i can’t think of how how it worked tho.



03/21/05  01:01pm

 #281686


Hammer
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  Message To: Cenapier   In reference to Message Id: 281676


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

"i have a 30x30x72 screen enclosure. could i keep a GTP in that?"

In terms of size, that’s actually too big. And the screen is not a good idea unless you live in Florida. An adult GTP would be more than happy in a 2x2x3 enclosure.

"i also have a questian about the rubbermaids, how do you get good ventilation in a plastic container?"

You need to drill holes in it before placing an animal in it. Most people drill from the sides to facilitate cross ventilation and to keep moisture from from evaporating quickly.



03/21/05  01:03pm

 #281819


CAGEDEZINES
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  Message To: Hammer   In reference to Message Id: 281686


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

Well to discuss the enjoyment of snakes, we all own snakes for one of two reasons. (and i say all meaning a large majority of us)
1. Enjoyment
2. Money
I think racks are great for people who are breeding corns and stuff like that. But i still dont agree that a enclosure which is just as easy to regulate temp and humity as as a plastic container are too stessful for the snake. That is why we have hide boxes and low traffic areas. I agree that snakes are easliy stressed but does that mean that no one should handle them? Of course not because most buy them for that purpose. I may be misunderstanding but when you say rubbermaid, i do not think of nice rhino raxx, i think of blue 3.99 20 gallon storage container. I just feel that out of site out of mind will happen to frequently, But when you have a nice enclosure with proper lighting, humitity, and hide areas you will pay more attention to your snake or other reptile if you see it everyday. And in no way am i saying that racks are not a good way to keep many reptiles in a area for breeders, but i would not suggest it for a beg. They should really focus on one reptile in one enclosure which they take pride in. Look at all the posts of people wanting to know what people think of thier enclosures. They are mostly young people who spend alot of time making the enclosure look nice. This is not as important as knowing during all that time they are paying attention to thier reptiles and taking proper care of them.

And to comment on the big snakes i would like to see how long a burm would be held in a rubbermaid...lol I can hardly keep my burm in a wooden cage with locks.



03/21/05  03:31pm

 #281827


N2t
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  Message To: CAGEDEZINES   In reference to Message Id: 281819


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

nine out of ten of those "look at my enclusure" posts show poor enclosures that are pretty and lethal..sand, huge lights with not enough hides, wide open glass tanks, great for the owners, horrable for the snakes. I have six snakes, three rubbermade/steralites, one visions, one custom, one ten gallon. I have lights in two enclosures and almost never turn them on, I have noticed zero health or eating differances in the diff kinds of enclosures. I use the 3.99 rubbermades, I love them. No you could not house a large boid in a rubbermade, which is one reason I won’t own a large boid.



03/21/05  03:38pm

 #281829


LizardKing
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  Message To: CAGEDEZINES   In reference to Message Id: 281819


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

i think everyone has some good points. i agree with you on the big snakes, thats why i said after they reach a certain length it should go in a larger cage. oh and the containers im talking about at least are the sterilites, they are see-through. in a rack, only one side would be exposed, the rest would be hidden away.



03/21/05  03:39pm

 #281854


Cenapier
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  Message To: LizardKing   In reference to Message Id: 281829


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

thanks for answering my questions!



03/21/05  04:02pm

 #282622


Hammer
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  Message To: CAGEDEZINES   In reference to Message Id: 281819


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

I have both set ups and agree that you can have a nice display and still maintain proper environmental controls. My Rubbermaids are opaque, so sunlight can enter, and I can see in, but he feels safe inside. I have never sold a single animal, so I assume I raise mine for pleasure. And int hat regard, I use Rubbermaids for their well being, but not for all of them.

Here are the options as I see it for the beginner:

Aquarium--Heavy, expensive, top screen, hard to move. The beginner will usually over-populate it with trappings, to the point of creating a very heavy, hard to maintain, clumsy enclsoure lacking proper controls.

Rubbermaid-- Easy to move, very inexpensive, simple, almost escape proof, very easy to clean and maintain proper environmental controls. If you populate the inside with a simple substrate, minimal furnishings and an under the tank heating pad, you can actually create a very nice setting. I’ll see if I have any photos...Hold on.




03/22/05  08:05am

 #282626


Hammer
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  Message To: Hammer   In reference to Message Id: 282622


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

I think I have one of my emerald.... I’ll look...





03/22/05  08:09am

 #283804


Hammer
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  Message To: Hammer   In reference to Message Id: 282626


 EMERALD TREE BOAS?????????

My Emerald in a Rubbermaid...




03/23/05  08:45am


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