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 #1132122


BRIZZY
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 Here’s my bull!!

This is pepper brooks and he is my reason for owning any herps at all. He was the first herp i ever purchased!



01/13/07  09:19pm

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Dmetz
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  Message To: BRIZZY   In reference to Message Id: 1132122


 Here’s my bull!!

He’s a handsome guy!
I love bulls, such great markings. Mine is still a little guy but ohh so sweet....until I toss my hair back over my shoulder and freak him out, that is....or when he gets tangled in it and gets mad.



01/15/07  05:50am

 #1133893


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  Message To: Dmetz   In reference to Message Id: 1133811


 Here’s my bull!!

NICE LOOKIN BULL!!
I`M GONA FINALLYPOST PICTURES OF MY -,ALBO-BULL TONIGHT ( IF I CAN GET MY SON TO SHOW ME HOW TO USE THE FRIKKIN CAMERA!
YOURS HAS SOME SIZE .
MINE IS ABOUT 2 FEET . HE JUST STARTED EATING REGULAR
WEIRD THING THOUGH ,ALL I CAN GET HIM TO EAT ALIVE IS PINKIES. AND THEM HE JUST EATS WITHOUT RESTRICTING
HE ATE 2 MICE BUT THEY WERE BOTH DEAD . I HAVEN`T SEEN HIME SQUEEZE ANYTHING YET.
BUT HE`S CONTENT , AND ACTIVE



01/15/07  09:33am

 #1136519


JackAsp
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  Message To: NICKNAME   In reference to Message Id: 1133893


 Here’s my bull!!

If he’s eating dead, keep feeding him dead. Live food probably won’t give him an overwhelming case of parasites today, or next month, or next year, but eventually he’ll be middle aged. He won’t poop out the worm eggs as fast as he used to, but they’ll keep breeding. You won’t even know it’s gotten bad until after it’s gotten bad. Then you’ll have to cram a little pointy tube into his throat on a regular basis to give him medicine for them. He won’t like it and you won’t like it.
The thing about "It won’t happen to me" is that it usually gets said by people who haven’t really had enough experience to be able judge what will and will not happen to them. Somebody has a ball python for three years, then sell it, then they have a red-tail for two year and they sell it, then they have a king snake for five years, sell it, and keep a corn snake for three. Next thing you know they’re saying "I have thirteen years of experience, have always fed live, and never had health problems from it." Well, no. They do not thirteen years of experience at keeping a snake alive for its entire life. They keep it while it’s growing, then get bored, then pass it on to somebody else who’ll get stuck with whatever age-related health problems turn up. I used to say "It won’t happen to me" about everything. Then my snakes got older, and the rules started changing.
Maybe you’re in it for the long haul with that little guy, or maybe you’ll end up transferring him to someone who is. But either way, if you get him fixated on live prey, he could be problematic to switch back. Right now, he isn’t fixated. In fact, he’s quite happy eating the dead healthy stuff. Good for him. As long as you never let him end up with an owner who insists on giving live adult rodents to a snake that’s never learned how to kill efficiently, you’re set.
A few rats in the freezer never hurt anybody. If you need to clear a few out, just make hot dogs.



01/17/07  03:34am

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  Message To: JackAsp   In reference to Message Id: 1136519


 Here’s my bull!!

so basically , most snakes get parasites ? most mice have parasites too?never knew that .
i do basically want to keep this guy for the long haul.
i do like the thinking behind feeding frozen , and eliminating parasites a much as possibly.
thanks , i`ll try to stick to that .

by the way i just posted some pictures last night of my bull . check him out



01/17/07  08:29am

 #1137234


Dmetz
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  Message To: NICKNAME   In reference to Message Id: 1136610


 Here’s my bull!!

Quote:

The thing about "It won’t happen to me" is that it usually gets said by people who haven’t really had enough experience to be able judge what will and will not happen to them. Somebody has a ball python for three years, then sell it, then they have a red-tail for two year and they sell it, then they have a king snake for five years, sell it, and keep a corn snake for three. Next thing you know they’re saying "I have thirteen years of experience, have always fed live, and never had health problems from it." Well, no. They do not thirteen years of experience at keeping a snake alive for its entire life.

Good point.

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so basically , most snakes get parasites ? most mice have parasites too?never knew that .
i do basically want to keep this guy for the long haul.
i do like the thinking behind feeding frozen , and eliminating parasites a much as possibly.
thanks , i`ll try to stick to that .

It’s just that live feeders *tend* to have a higher risk factor of carrying parasites. The reason being that, unless the prey is farmed in a reputable, clean, health conscious facility, parasites are more likely to be present. With F/T, while yes, it is always possible for a carrier feeder to have parasites before euthanation, the parasites tend to not survive the process, especially when C02 is used and the feeder directly frozen thereafter.



01/17/07  06:07pm

 #1137648


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  Message To: Dmetz   In reference to Message Id: 1137234


 Here’s my bull!!

Most mice and rats from a pet shop will have parasites, due to the way they’re crowded together, often with rodents from different shipments being added as the population dwindles. Pinworms especially are almost universal. Snakes are used to eating rodents with worms; I mean, that’s what they’d be living on in the wild, but in the wild they tend to die of something else soon enough that evolution just hasn’t designed them for resisting an infection for the number years that a pet is supposed to live. Also, bites do happen. maybe not often, and maybe not seemingly seriously, but I know from experience that older snakes will scar a lot more easily than younger ones, and I assume they’d run higher risks of bites getting infected, too.
The one thing I don’t like about f/t is that if the snake isn’t hungry, the prey animal died for nothing. My solution is to toss them in the woods behind my apartment dumpster to give the skunks and raccoons that congregate there something better to eat than a rusty can lid. Most people’s solution is to have more than one, of similar enough size that if one isn’t hungry, the other one gets an extra treat. I still buy live guinea pigs for my carpet python, simply because she won’t eat rats and a twenty dollar guinea pig is a pretty expensive meal to give to the raccoons, but since they aren’t crowded into feeder tanks they tend to be cleaner than mice or rats. That way I can offer them fresh first, then freeze them if it turns out she’s not hungry. I stick with fresh until late summer, when her appetite is at its peak, then I get the freezer cleaned out. But frozen rats are a lot cheaper than guinea pigs. They also thaw out a lot more easily.



01/17/07  11:22pm

 #1137772


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  Message To: JackAsp   In reference to Message Id: 1137648


 Here’s my bull!!

By the way, neat-looking little bull. I especially like the climbing picture.



01/18/07  02:42am

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  Message To: JackAsp   In reference to Message Id: 1137772


 Here’s my bull!!

HaHa i have the same bonsai tree. Its for my anoles though.
I was planning to get a bull,what size cage does an adult need?
Im thinking 5ftx3ftx3ft???



12/08/07  12:58am

 #1539666


JackAsp
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  Message To: Reptileboy19   In reference to Message Id: 1539296


 Here’s my bull!!

Cool! What’s with all the bulls and gophers getting those enormous cages lately?
That is way more than big enough! They’re not the kind of snake that’s going to get stressed out by the extra space though. o be honest, 4’LX2’WX1’H is big enough for even a large one, but if you’ve got bigger that you want to give them I’m all for it. Kind of like a beagle or something doesn’t really need a huge backyard but it’ll still like having one.
Wow, this thread is old. I hadn’t even discovered Rodentpro yet. Nowadays I get guinea pigs for a buck; no wonder I was always broke back then.



12/08/07  03:45pm

 #1540047


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  Message To: JackAsp   In reference to Message Id: 1539666


 Here’s my bull!!

yeah that is an older thread
we`re buying frozen rabbits now for my sons retics and burm.
beleive it or not , they don`t carry frozen mice , so we still buy live for the bullsnake.
we`re going to finally get a seperate freezer so we can purchase them on-line. they are a fraction of a cost when you buy them yourself.
we buy our rabbits through the snake shop at $13 each . to buy them in quantity ourselves , they would cost about $4



12/08/07  07:40pm

 #1542923


JackAsp
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  Message To: NICKNAME   In reference to Message Id: 1540047


 Here’s my bull!!

You ought to be able to get frozen mice at shows, too. Around here Rodentpro sends a whole truck full of them and sells them for the same price they do online, except that you don’t have to pay for shipping, dry ice, etc. Way better deal.



12/11/07  08:29am

 #1544057


R]azz
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  Message To: BRIZZY   In reference to Message Id: 1132122


 Here’s my bull!!

BRIZZY, what are you using for substrate in the above pics?



12/12/07  08:10am


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