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 Temperature question

okay guys, so i am not sure i you remember this, but i posted awhile ago saying that i am going to be purchasing a louisiana pine snake. i plan on purchasing several with an intent on breeding them. so i have been thoroughly researching cooling temps, etc. and i realized that it may be hard to keep the temperature constant, so i was looking for something that could keep a constant temp, and i cant seem to come up with anything
so i was hoping you guys could point me in the right direction so that i can find something that can control temp.
thank you! :)
06/05/09  02:29pm

 #2016832


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 Temperature question

one more thing:
i was thinking about going along these guide lines for the cooling temperatures during the winter

DATE HI LOW

16-Sep 79 75
17-Sep 79.5 75
18-Sep 77.5 75.5
19-Sep 78 75.5
20-Sep 79 74.5
21-Sep 80 76
22-Sep 79.5 77
23-Sep 80.5 77.5
24-Sep 81 78
25-Sep 77 74
26-Sep 78 75.5
27-Sep 76.5 72.5
28-Sep 80 74
29-Sep 77 73
30-Sep 78 74.5
1-Oct 79 75.5
2-Oct 76 72.5
3-Oct 76.5 72
4-Oct 78 73
5-Oct 75 71
6-Oct 73 68
7-Oct 76 70.5
8-Oct 73 68.5
9-Oct 75 70
10-Oct 74.5 66.5
11-Oct 76 71
12-Oct 79 74
13-Oct 74 67.5
14-Oct 74 69
15-Oct 75.5 70.5
16-Oct 72 66.5
17-Oct 74 66.5
18-Oct 74.5 67
19-Oct 74.5 66
20-Oct 72.5 67
21-Oct 70.5 65.5
22-Oct 73.5 67
23-Oct 72 68
24-Oct 71.5 67.5
25-Oct 72.5 66
26-Oct 66.5 62
27-Oct 68 63
28-Oct 69 62.5
29-Oct 74 68.5
30-Oct 69.5 64
31-Oct 69 64
1-Nov 70 65
2-Nov 66.5 61
3-Nov 65 60
4-Nov 64 61
5-Nov 62.5 58
6-Nov 66 60
7-Nov 68.5 62
8-Nov 67.5 59.5
9-Nov 64 57.5
10-Nov 65 59
11-Nov 65.5 59
12-Nov 68 63.5
13-Nov 67.5 62.5
14-Nov 65 61.5
15-Nov 65 59.5
16-Nov 66.5 62
17-Nov 63 59.5
18-Nov 64.5 59
19-Nov 65 61
20-Nov 63 56
21-Nov 64 56
22-Nov 63.5 56.5
23-Nov 60.5 54.5
24-Nov 58.5 55
25-Nov 62 55.5
26-Nov 60.5 56
27-Nov 59 54.5
28-Nov 58.5 56
29-Nov 61 55.5
30-Nov 60.5 55
1-Dec 58 53.5
2-Dec 56 50.5
3-Dec 57 53
4-Dec 55.5 50.5
5-Dec 54.5 52
6-Dec 52.5 50.5
7-Dec 53.5 50
8-Dec 55 50
9-Dec 54.5 49
10-Dec 56 51.5
11-Dec 53.5 49.5
12-Dec 54 50.5
13-Dec 53 49.5
14-Dec 54 50
15-Dec 55.5 51
16-Dec 54 50.5
17-Dec 54 50.5
18-Dec 55.5 51.5
19-Dec 53.5 50.5
20-Dec 54.5 51
21-Dec 55 51
22-Dec 56 50
23-Dec 53.5 50.5
24-Dec 55 50
25-Dec 56 51
26-Dec 53 50.5
27-Dec 54 50
28-Dec 55 50.5
29-Dec 55.5 50
30-Dec 56 52
31-Dec 55.5 52.5
1-Jan 55 51
2-Jan 55.5 50
3-Jan 53 50
4-Jan 55.5 51
5-Jan 54.5 50
6-Jan 53 49
7-Jan 55 51
8-Jan 57.5 51.5
9-Jan 55 50
10-Jan 55 50
11-Jan 56 52
12-Jan 58 54.5
13-Jan 57.5 53.5
14-Jan 57 53.5
15-Jan 58 54.5
16-Jan 56.5 53
17-Jan 55 51.5
18-Jan 56.5 51
19-Jan 55 51
20-Jan 54 50
21-Jan 55.5 52
22-Jan 55.5 52
23-Jan 56 51
24-Jan 58.5 54
25-Jan 57 54.5
26-Jan 55.5 51
27-Jan 56 51.5
28-Jan 58 54
29-Jan 57 54.5
30-Jan 56 52.5
31-Jan 56.5 51
1-Feb 57 54.5
2-Feb 59 56
3-Feb 58 53
4-Feb 57 53.5
5-Feb 60.5 56
6-Feb 58.5 54.5
7-Feb 59.5 54
8-Feb 55 51.5
9-Feb 57.5 53
10-Feb 59.5 56
11-Feb 63 54.5
12-Feb 61 56.5
13-Feb 61 55.5
14-Feb 63.5 56
15-Feb 61.5 57.5
16-Feb 63 58.5
17-Feb 62 57.5
18-Feb 62.5 57
19-Feb 62 59
20-Feb 65 58
21-Feb 66.5 59
22-Feb 66 58.5
23-Feb 64.5 57
24-Feb 67 58.5
25-Feb 66 59
26-Feb 68 60.5
27-Feb 65.5 59.5
28-Feb 67 58.5
1-Mar 65 59.5
2-Mar 64 60.5
3-Mar 67.5 63
4-Mar 68 63
5-Mar 69.5 62.5
6-Mar 67.5 64
7-Mar 69 63
8-Mar 71.5 65.5
9-Mar 72.5 67.5
10-Mar 71 67

Total: 11233 10396
175

please post comments because i really want to do this the right way!
thank you! :)
06/05/09  02:33pm

 #2016881


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   Message To: Artist   In reference to Message Id: 2016832


 Don’t Make Rocket Science out of This . . .

Snakes aren’t anywhere near as high maintenance as lizards (which is why I don’t do lizards even though I like ’em).

Either a regular under tank heater for each set-up, or heating tape (Lowe’s, Home Depot, or even Wal-Mart) with a thermostat is adequate to maintain temperatures . . .

I brumate my snakes in an unheated closet that borders on the outside of my townhouse apartment. The temp gets down into the low 60’s, which is just fine. Note your Louisiana temperatures are for outside air temperature; Snakes will conceal themselves beneath the ground, and they probably don’t get that low all that often . . .

I buy my substrate (aspen or Repti-Bark) in the big bulk bags at Petco or Pet-Smart, and I watch for sales . . .

I raise my mice in pine bedding (also purchased in bulk) in 10-gallon aquariums. I supplement those with a few Gourmet Rodent purchases at Petco; I know there are cheaper sources for frozen rodents on-line. If I were to get really involved in raising Pits, I’d probably get a set-up to raise rats, and I’m pretty sure I could sell the surplus with them (no way with mice) if I got really into it. But rats smell way worse than mice....

That’s about all on my end . . .
06/05/09  04:23pm

 #2016992


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   Message To: Concolor1   In reference to Message Id: 2016881


 Don’t Make Rocket Science out of This . . .

I finally figured out where I can brumate my snakes; in the mouse RV! During the winter I keep the mouse RV in the low 50’s Fahrenheit, no higher than 60 degrees. The mice like the cool weather. This should work just fine for the snakes, too. Alas, this is a couple years in the future, as my snakes are still very young. But at least I have a solution now for a brumating location.
06/05/09  09:13pm

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   Message To: Greatballzofire   In reference to Message Id: 2016992


 Don’t Make Rocket Science out of This . . .

thanks! :) that helped me out a bunch- i was really confused. so it was a lot less complicated than i thought it was! oops!
sorry couple more questions-
1. when do you start to brumate the LA pines? (september?)
2. when do you place the pair together? (february/march maybe?)
3. how do you incubate the eggs?
and finally is it right to have 6 inches of substrate, or should there be more?

haha yeah! the lizard thing just didnt work out for me, i love them though. i tried it for several years, but eventually got sick of its diet, blegh! too complicated for me! so now i have moved on to snakes- parents arent too keen on the idea though b/c they think all snakes are venomous (which i tried to explain to them was wrong but they wouldnt listen to me!) :/
thanks for helping me!
06/06/09  11:25am

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 I’d Try . . .

Asking over on the Bull/Pine/Gopher section at kingsnake.com on that one . . . September seems too early for me (although my w/c gopher quit eating the end of August last year).

The time period isn’t critical; over on the corn snake forum it looks like everyone started around the first of December or so and went into March. Some started a little later; I went until the first week of April before putting Momma and Poppa together, so I’ve had eggs for about ten days now. Others already have eggs hatching . . .

The important thing is re-setting the snakes’ "biological system," that’s all . . .
06/06/09  03:30pm

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 I’d Try . . .

thanks, ill do that!
oh, but i have read (cant remember where?) that you can start to lower the temperatures, not much. i dont know for sure, but ill post it on kingsnake
thanks! :)
06/07/09  08:59pm


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