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 #1641653


Jalapeno Splendida
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 Need feedback on set up





This setup measures 18x18x36. It houses 6 japalura splendida, 3 green anoles, 1 fire lacerta, 1 golden gecko, and 1 fire lacerta. They’ve all lived in perfect harmony for as long as I’ve had them; about three months now. Is there anything I should know about my setup? How should I accommodate for certain types? Do I need to remove certain lizards from my setup?
Currently I have 2 heating pads; 1 bottom and 1 behind leaves. There’s a 200 watt ceramic heat lamp up top. All heat is thermo stat controlled at constant 75-85. 2 lamps day and night.
Lastly, does my heat lamp over my waterfall create enough humidity for this enclosure?
02/28/08  05:05pm

 #1642195


MissSkyTheGecko
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   Message To: Jalapeno Splendida   In reference to Message Id: 1641653


 Need feedback on set up

Um...they really shouldn’t be together...but the set up is cool. It might be a little too small for that many lizards anyway...being reptiles they’d be much happier by themselves.
02/28/08  11:32pm

 #1642213


Shiftylarry
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   Message To: MissSkyTheGecko   In reference to Message Id: 1642195


 Need feedback on set up

Quote:

Lastly, does my heat lamp over my waterfall create enough humidity for this enclosure?


I don’t know. Does it? Why don’t you measure it? How am I supposed to know what your levels are?

That space is too cramped for all those different animals. Keeping them together is a bad idea. Something will eventually happen. Something undesirable.
02/28/08  11:50pm

 #1642219


Yavie
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   Message To: Jalapeno Splendida   In reference to Message Id: 1641653


 Need feedback on set up

*boggle*

How do you know they are "living in perfect harmony" ? Seriously, what are you basing this on?

That’s way too many herps for that small of an enclosure, nevermind that you should never house different species together. They may all have the same heat/lighting/humidity/food requirements, but that does NOT mean that they can live together "in harmony." Inevitably, one will get the most food and one will get almost none. Then there’ll be the ones who are just stressed out because they don’t feel safe moving from one spot to the other.

Please just seperate them all.

- Yav



02/29/08  12:00am

 #1642229


Jalapeno Splendida
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   Message To: Yavie   In reference to Message Id: 1642219


 Need feedback on set up

Wow, man. My butt hurts now. It’s okay though, I take constructive criticism well. Thanks for the reply. Gots to shed a tear. Haha.
02/29/08  12:12am

 #1642276


Kenyken
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   Message To: Jalapeno Splendida   In reference to Message Id: 1642229


 Need feedback on set up

Im with Yavi its a good point they do not belong together you need to get them all new cages or sell them to someone who will take care of them properly.
02/29/08  01:50am

 #1642290


Shiftylarry
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   Message To: Kenyken   In reference to Message Id: 1642276


 Need feedback on set up

You can’t blame us. What response did you expect? I think you know in you’re heart this is kind of ridiculous.



02/29/08  02:20am

 #1642320


Jalapeno Splendida
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   Message To: Kenyken   In reference to Message Id: 1642276


 Need feedback on set up

Okay okay. Please don’t report me to the animal rights activists man. However, is it not proof that three months together makes it possible for those species to coincide. You really don’t have to downsize me by indirectly implying that I’m an irresponsible caretaker too.



02/29/08  04:50am

 #1642669


Shiftylarry
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   Message To: Jalapeno Splendida   In reference to Message Id: 1642320


 Need feedback on set up

The point is they’re all individual animals with individual requirements. You can’t keep them together, and no argument is going to sway people in your direction.
02/29/08  02:21pm

 #1643095


Dagobert
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   Message To: Jalapeno Splendida   In reference to Message Id: 1642320


 Need feedback on set up

I can’t believe no one mentioned the 200 watt heat emitter in a cage that size. That sounds excessive.
02/29/08  08:50pm

 #1643199


Shiftylarry
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   Message To: Dagobert   In reference to Message Id: 1643095


 Need feedback on set up

Woops! Good point.
02/29/08  10:25pm

 #1644006


Jalapeno Splendida
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   Message To: Shiftylarry   In reference to Message Id: 1643199


 Need feedback on set up

C’mon dudes. It never gets warmer than their needs. There’s a thermostat that controls it too. Plus I manually monitor the temp every morning and night to make sure it’s in working order.
Gorsh, fellas. You’re all making me feel like the antagonist here. I just wanted to try something different. It has been close to almost 3 1/2 months now and I still haven’t seen any behavioral changes in any of the lizards.



03/01/08  07:26pm

 #1673065


Ambiguous666
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   Message To: Jalapeno Splendida   In reference to Message Id: 1644006


 Need feedback on set up

you cant be seroious why the hell would you do that? im not even going to tell you about the problem with houseing all those differnet lizards all together becasue if you dont know already thats the stupidest thing you cam do then your an idiot, but you have them all jammed in a 18x18x36 cage??!

WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
03/23/08  06:53pm

 #1673272


Mosh
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   Message To: Ambiguous666   In reference to Message Id: 1673065


 Need feedback on set up

The original post was a reach for advise, and help, and knowledge. Is it really necessary to talk to someone that way? I use this forum for input, and education, not to "listen" to someone being slammed. It makes me afraid to ask the right questions so I can also be a responsible pet owner. Couldn’t you all be a little nicer, and reply with facts, not attitude? It just wasn’t very constructive. This person was certainly cool about your treatment.

To the person who started this post: Cudos to you for being so tolerant. It’s a beautiful set up. Read a few more forums about each of your animals, and see what you should do differently. Don’t listen to the attitude of these guys, listen to the facts. I love the cage, just make adjustments accordingly. Did you build this yourself?
03/23/08  09:07pm

 #1673396


Ambiguous666
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   Message To: Mosh   In reference to Message Id: 1673272


 Need feedback on set up

yeah well i knew someone else personally who did that, and it turned into a horrible mess, they were basically killing eachother and had numerous health probs casue they all needed different care needs. i just think that that should not be done.

but i shouldent of acted so harshly i geuss, sorry.



03/23/08  10:23pm

 #1673483


Dagobert
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   Message To: Mosh   In reference to Message Id: 1673272


 Need feedback on set up

Quote:

Couldn’t you all be a little nicer, and reply with facts, not attitude?



Oh good, more "feelings police."

Sounds good. From here on out, anytime somebody shows a small cage with 4 or 5 different lizard species crammed together and being barbecued by a 200 watt lamp, everyone can just tell them it’s awesome so that their feelings don’t get hurt.

That should be real beneficial to animals being kept.
03/23/08  11:44pm

 #1673519


Gecko craze
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   Message To: Dagobert   In reference to Message Id: 1673483


 Need feedback on set up

Sarcasm has no place on this forum.
03/24/08  12:23am

 #1673562


Shiftylarry
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   Message To: Gecko craze   In reference to Message Id: 1673519


 Need feedback on set up

Gecko Craze: Sarcasm is the only was I can cope with situations as preposterous as this one.
03/24/08  01:52am

 #1673609


Madwire3
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   Message To: Shiftylarry   In reference to Message Id: 1673562


 Need feedback on set up

wow... love craziness but this is dumb... why so much uhg over this? I worked in the petstore business for a few years and came across a lot of u shouldn’t from people who really shouldn’t have and I would have done nothing for those animals by being all ugly about it... its simple.. simple rules for any pet... research reseach research... maybe some of us came at u a little aggressive but its because a lot of have seen a lot of bad things happen to animals because someone didn’t do their homework.. don’t get mad don’t take it as a bashing at who u are just take it as hard love... if they didn’t care they wouldn’t say anything right?

I want the best for my animals #1 but I also want at least close to the best for other animals kept in captivity... if they can’t be free then at least give them a set up they are built for... one that is made around their needs... do what’s right yo and have fun.... I’d rather have 10 tanks of happy herps that 2 of worry... they survive that’s what they have evolved to do but the weight of survive or thrive? I like thrive personally... your setup is great but what’s your responsible reply to this ? if u don’t care then add a bird or two maybe a cat and a few rodents.... what is the responsible thing? not to woo a single habitat with as much as u can fit in there... if ur thing is that try a reef tank... u can keep all kinds of great things together in harmony... with herps its just ignorant.. maybe I’m wrong but personally I feel I’m right in this... I try to do the best for my animals and by that I research reseach and again research... don’t be mad just consider what’s going on
03/24/08  06:27am

 #1673928


Dagobert
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   Message To: Madwire3   In reference to Message Id: 1673609


 Need feedback on set up

Part of the issue is people post these types of setups, as bad as they are, and they don’t want to hear what they are doing wrong. They want everyone to say, "Looks Great," even if it doesn’t.
03/24/08  01:51pm

 #1674088


Mosh
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   Message To: Dagobert   In reference to Message Id: 1673928


 Need feedback on set up

Thank you everyone. I think we can give solid, factual advise without being rude. I understand that we all want what is best for our pets, and others, but people listen better when the facts are laid out. Ya’ll are really great people. I used this site to learn a lot. I would have been lost otherwise. In fact, I may never have had the honor of having certain pets if it weren’t for all your help.

Original Post: It was said here already, RESEARCH, RESEARCH, RESEARCH. That is the ONLY way to know what’s best. Glad you asked for help. Hope you take our advise. These people are really great, even if they do get mad. I understand why there is so much anger. I feel that way too. I just believe we learn more if we set aside the rude remarks.

Thanks again ya’ll.



03/24/08  04:23pm

 #1674142


Madwire3
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   Message To: Mosh   In reference to Message Id: 1674088


 Need feedback on set up

with all that aside I like the enclosure
03/24/08  05:10pm

 #1733911


Multireps
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   Message To: Madwire3   In reference to Message Id: 1674142


 Need feedback on set up

wow your really gettin hammered! i dont see anything wrong with diff herps being together as long as they are getting along.? ive got 2 frogs and 5 anoles in a tank . id prefer to have them in seperate tanks but thats how i bought it. they came together, and i cant afford a tank for each one!
05/13/08  09:14am

 #1734640


EkoGeko
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   Message To: Multireps   In reference to Message Id: 1733911


 Need feedback on set up

multireps, if u can’t afford to take care of your herps properly than u should’ve never got them in the first place. separate them or find someone who will take care of them.

And for Jalepeno, never house two or more species together. separate each species into different cages. if u can’t do that, find someone who can watch them for you. if money is the problem, have someone else take care of them until you get enough money to care for them properly.
also, about the enclosure, it is WAY too small. that cage can hold only one species, and only a few lizards. a 200watt bulb is too hot for just about any reptile. switch to a 50-75 watt bulb. and each species needs different temperatures and humidity levels. That is one reason why species should never be mixed. Even if they "behave", the temp and humidity will not suit each individual’s needs. research the proper temps and humidity for each species and get temp and humidity gauges for each cage(remember, u need a different cage for each species).
05/13/08  09:21pm

 #1735182


Multireps
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   Message To: EkoGeko   In reference to Message Id: 1734640


 Need feedback on set up

i can care for my herps just fine! just add cream...



05/14/08  02:08pm

 #1735945


Audio
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   Message To: Multireps   In reference to Message Id: 1735182


 Need feedback on set up

despite the taboo it’s completely possible to keep multiple species of reptiles in the same cage, it’s just unlikely to work. If you haven’t already, I would make sure they all have the exact same needs for heat and humidity, that’s extremely important. Look up a care sheet, which I hate to say it but I would hope you did that already. I would say you do have too many in one cage though, that’s definite. I haven’t seen how they act or eat so I can’t say whether or not they’re doing well together.

If one is noticeably skinny than there is def. a problem.
Oh yeah, and you should definitely be measuring humidity. Just go to wal mart and get a meter for that, or the overpriced pet shop ones.

People are gonna tear you a new one if you don’t do things their way. Just ignore their insults and look for the advice beneath it.
05/15/08  02:10am

 #1735950


Audio
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   Message To: Audio   In reference to Message Id: 1735945


 Need feedback on set up

Oh yeah, and if you did want to find a way to keep multiple species in one cage, you’re best bet would be to look up reptiles by location. If they’re from the same area they’ll need the same humidity and temp. or just look really hard till you find 2 that have the same humidity and temp. Then find out how aggressive they are, behavior in general, and the likelihood that one would eat the other (which if one is much bigger than the other, it will happen).

Even then, I wouldn’t house males together though just to play it safe. I’m not sure if they’d recognize another species male, but you know... just to play it safe.
05/15/08  02:17am


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