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#1176883 Reptilelover--
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Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  im looking to buy one little dwarf caimen i odnt really care where on this site or in a pet store or something i live in newmarket but i havnt heard back from any of the pet stores i have emailed them but no reply if any one has a dwarf caimen (a baby one) that i could buy i will buy it but im not sure how much if you have one please give me a price. my birthday is in june and them ost i can spend is about 200$ i would also like ot know how much feeding it costs and how much the tank will cost. i will measure some rooms in my house and i will post the measurments on the forum
thanks,
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02/17/07 02:04pm
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#1177044 Simbaah
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Message To: Reptilelover-- In reference to Message Id: 1176883
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  Sorry, No Message.
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02/17/07 05:12pm
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#1177049 Simbaah
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Message To: Simbaah In reference to Message Id: 1177044
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  Just look up golizards dot you know the rest on the web and order online, they ship the next day. Or look at kingsnake or KCRD, but make sure you read up on what kind of enclosure you need to build and what to feed it if you really want one.......Peace
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02/17/07 05:17pm
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#1177091 Reptilelover--
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Message To: Simbaah In reference to Message Id: 1177049
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  well, the dwarf caimans are 225$ i dont think i could spen that i am looking for a cheap seller so that i can sped money on the animal and the enclosure i would spend 150 - 170 on the dwarf caiman and about what ever it cost for the enclosure
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02/17/07 06:21pm
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#1177214 Simbaah
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Message To: Reptilelover-- In reference to Message Id: 1177091
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  Dwarf caimans don’t go for cheap since they are not native to America, they come from places like Brazil and Peru in South America and they dont grow as big as other croc species so they have become big in pet trade so therefore the price is not cheap. If you want something cheap for now and very expensive for later to take care get an alligator, they sell for 50 dollars on average and sometimes cheaper. Now for real, I don’t think you will find a cheap dwarf caiman and most people wont just sell thiers. The specticled caiman is a little less expensive and they dont get to big but all caiman are ussually aggressive and bite everytime you get near them. If your not willing to pay over 200 dollars for a dwarf caiman then you just wont have one, but thats not were it stops, it costs money to feed and house it properly of course.Now you dont even know the basics to taking care of it yet so I would do some research on the internet and find out all you can about them and crocodilians in general and read all the past posts on this forum and the alligator forum, I’m serious read all the posts and then decide if you really want one or not.......Peace
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02/17/07 08:13pm
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#1177472 Reptilelover--
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Message To: Simbaah In reference to Message Id: 1177214
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  the only problem with a gator is that they get BIG and i dont have that much room to spare if its possible could you give me measurements (in feet please) and post the measurements because i have heard they get to like 12 feet long or more so i wasl ooknig for somthing smaller the plus side is they only cost 50$ or less but the down side is that they get really big, it has been my dream to have a crocodillian but my parents are saying "it needs to be small" i am quite knoledged about reptiles because when i was 9 i had a 10 foot boa constricter (srry i cant spell) and it worked out fine the only prob was htat i just let it out in my room a gator i need a MASSIVE enclosure.
also if you could thinkup some measure meants for its enclosure that would be great, i have about 4 months until my 13th b-day so i still have LOTS of time ot plan everything out the problem is i cant find any shop on the internet that will sell one
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02/17/07 11:44pm
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#1177479 Reptilelover--
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Message To: Simbaah In reference to Message Id: 1177214
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  the only problem with a gator is that they get BIG and i dont have that much room to spare if its possible could you give me measurements (in feet please) and post the measurements because i have heard they get to like 12 feet long or more so i wasl ooknig for somthing smaller the plus side is they only cost 50$ or less but the down side is that they get really big, it has been my dream to have a crocodillian but my parents are saying "it needs to be small" i am quite knoledged about reptiles because when i was 9 i had a 10 foot boa constricter (srry i cant spell) and it worked out fine the only prob was htat i just let it out in my room a gator i need a MASSIVE enclosure.
also if you could thinkup some measure meants for its enclosure that would be great, i have about 4 months until my 13th b-day so i still have LOTS of time ot plan everything out the problem is i cant find any shop on the internet that will sell one
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02/17/07 11:45pm
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#1177481 Reptilelover--
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Message To: Simbaah In reference to Message Id: 1177214
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  the only problem with a gator is that they get BIG and i dont have that much room to spare if its possible could you give me measurements (in feet please) and post the measurements because i have heard they get to like 12 feet long or more so i wasl ooknig for somthing smaller the plus side is they only cost 50$ or less but the down side is that they get really big, it has been my dream to have a crocodillian but my parents are saying "it needs to be small" i am quite knoledged about reptiles because when i was 9 i had a 10 foot boa constricter (srry i cant spell) and it worked out fine the only prob was htat i just let it out in my room a gator i need a MASSIVE enclosure.
also if you could thinkup some measure meants for its enclosure that would be great, i have about 4 months until my 13th b-day so i still have LOTS of time ot plan everything out the problem is i cant find any shop on the internet that will sell one
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02/17/07 11:45pm
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#1177485 Reptilelover--
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Message To: Simbaah In reference to Message Id: 1177214
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  the only problem with a gator is that they get BIG and i dont have that much room to spare if its possible could you give me measurements (in feet please) and post the measurements because i have heard they get to like 12 feet long or more so i wasl ooknig for somthing smaller the plus side is they only cost 50$ or less but the down side is that they get really big, it has been my dream to have a crocodillian but my parents are saying "it needs to be small" i am quite knoledged about reptiles because when i was 9 i had a 10 foot boa constricter (srry i cant spell) and it worked out fine the only prob was htat i just let it out in my room a gator i need a MASSIVE enclosure.
also if you could thinkup some measure meants for its enclosure that would be great, i have about 4 months until my 13th b-day so i still have LOTS of time ot plan everything out the problem is i cant find any shop on the internet that will sell one
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02/17/07 11:46pm
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#1177498 Reptilelover--
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Message To: Simbaah In reference to Message Id: 1177214
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  the only problem with a gator is that they get BIG and i dont have that much room to spare if its possible could you give me measurements (in feet please) and post the measurements because i have heard they get to like 12 feet long or more so i wasl ooknig for somthing smaller the plus side is they only cost 50$ or less but the down side is that they get really big, it has been my dream to have a crocodillian but my parents are saying "it needs to be small" i am quite knoledged about reptiles because when i was 9 i had a 10 foot boa constricter (srry i cant spell) and it worked out fine the only prob was htat i just let it out in my room a gator i need a MASSIVE enclosure.
also if you could thinkup some measure meants for its enclosure that would be great, i have about 4 months until my 13th b-day so i still have LOTS of time ot plan everything out the problem is i cant find any shop on the internet that will sell one
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02/17/07 11:49pm
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#1177519 Reptilelover--
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Message To: Reptilelover-- In reference to Message Id: 1177498
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  O CRUD im srry about the like 7 posts in a row my computer lagged then i had to log in again and it just did that srry for the multi - posts *embarrassed* lol my computer does it sometimes....
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02/18/07 12:04am
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#1177701 Simbaah
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Message To: Reptilelover-- In reference to Message Id: 1177519
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  Even a dwarf caiman will need a room reserved and dedicated to it, a room sized enclosure or half of a room if its a good sized room. And you must be able to build because they just dont sell ready made caiman enclosures.They grow to be about 3 to 4 feet and 5 foot is thier maximum size. So you at least need to by some 2 by 2 inch studs and boards and make the sides at least 8 feet or more and the ends 5 feet or more and 3 to 4 feet high.You can use a long plastic storage box for the pool, its better and easier to clean than fish tanks. They grow slow about 1/2 inch per month for the first 3 years and then slower. If you keep the water at about 85 degrees it might grow a little quicker. If your parents are really ok with it then do ALOT of research on them for real no joke, look up care sheets and all kinds of websites on caiman. And read all the posts. Dwarf Caimam are not very active so they dont really use up that much space or they dont utilize the space so if you were to build a big enclosure the dwarf caiman wouldn’t take advantage of all of it, they stay in the same spot for hours and move a little bit and do it all over again. They are very aggressive and I use gloves with mine while with an alligator it would be my bear hands. A dwarf caiman wouldn’t kill you but you could lose a finger from a full grown dwarf, be careful if you get one. They can leap and they get strong at an early age, they are born bigger than baby alligators and in my opinion they are stronger and extremely fast when it comes to bitting, if you were to touch the tail it could bend back without turning around and bite you before you can blink your eye. The upside to alligators is that most of them dont seem to mind being picked up if you had it since it was a baby but never put full trust in any wild animal. For a gator you would have to dedicate a whole basement or nice sized garage at the very least unless you live in the country in a warm state. So I say again, read up on them and thier care, I could tell you but it would take to long so just read all you can, and thier is alot of good info on this site as well, and I will tell you before hand, many people will say your to young to be even thinking about it. Remember your bedroom will become (THE CAIMANS ROOM) you might have to move your bed out and sleep on the couch. There not that bad for real, dont get me wrong but you gotta be careful and know how to take care of one, so dont take it lightly, read up alot on how to care for one. Peace.......
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02/18/07 04:06am
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#1177854 Reptilelover--
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Message To: Simbaah In reference to Message Id: 1177701
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  ok i have measured my room and 8feet long i can do 5 feet across i can do in other words i can fit a full grown caiman in my room and still have a tv, dresser, bed, night stand, and more so my room just fits
now i just need to find someone that will sell me a caiman for only about 170$.
and then i need to find out where i can get a permit to own a crocodillian in canada. can you help me with any of this? because i search the internet and never find out about the permit
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02/18/07 09:43am
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#1181016 Tegudragon
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Message To: Reptilelover-- In reference to Message Id: 1176883
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen
 I found a couple on some other web sites for around 175 p.m me for mor info
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02/20/07 07:24pm
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#1181021 Tegudragon
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Message To: Reptilelover-- In reference to Message Id: 1176883
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  will an import work for you because i found ones for 110
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02/20/07 07:29pm
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#1185407 Snake head
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Message To: Tegudragon In reference to Message Id: 1181021
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen 
Quote: 5.1.1 What important points must I consider to house my caiman?
Appropriate housing is perhaps the most difficult part of keeping a crocodilian such as a caiman. You must consider several factors, including the size of the enclosure, how to divide it into land and water areas, heating both water and air, and how to best keep the water clean. Do not overlook the long-term cost of housing a crocodilian, not to mention the size of the area you will need. Be in no doubt, most crocodilians including caimans grow rapidly to large adult sizes. How are you going to deal with a 7 foot caiman which needs an enclosure several times its own body length?
When designing the enclosure, it must contain a water area and a land area. Crocodilians are semi-aquatic creatures. With their streamlined bodies and powerful tails, nearly all species are most at home in the water and this is where they will spend the majority of their time. However, they also require a land area to dry off and bask. You must ensure that the enclosure is spacious, both in terms of the amount of water and land. Within reason, you can’t make the enclosure too large. Hatchlings only require a relatively small area, but this expands considerably as the animal grows. Also, other crocodilian species prefer different amounts of water and land in their habitat, so be prepared to experiment if necessary. Details of how large to make your enclosure, and how to set up the water and land areas are given later in this section.
You must also set up the right environment for your animal. Caimans require fairly warm temperatures to be maintained at all times, and both land and water heaters will be required. It is important to understand a reptile’s thermoregulatory requirements as you design the enclosure. Unlike so-called "warm blooded" birds and mammals, reptiles such as caimans do not produce much body heat from metabolic processes (by burning stored energy) - they rely instead upon external sources of heat to warm up. A warm and toasty caiman is still warm blooded, but it didn’t expend very much of its own energy reserves to become so. Reptiles have a range of temperatures that they like to reach, and these are called the preferred body temperatures (PBT). In many crocodilian species, the PBT ranges from around 29 to 34 degrees Celsius (84 to 93 degrees Fahrenheit). If a crocodilian’s actual body temperature rises above this range, it will seek out a means of cooling down. If it falls below this range, it will usually make efforts to warm itself up again. So, your enclosure design needs to have areas where the caiman can either warm up or cool down depending on how warm it feels. In effect, you need to create what’s called a "thermal gradient" - a range of temperatures from, say, 26 C (80 F) to 36 C (97 F), with enough space so that your caiman can move into a cooler or warmer area. In the wild, most crocodilians warm up by basking in direct sunlight on land, and then cool off by moving into a shaded area, or back into the water. Conversely, at night crocodilians stay warm in the water as temperatures on the land drop. Details on how to set up a thermal gradient and warm both land and water area are discussed later in this section.
5.1.2 How large does the enclosure need to be?
The answer to this question will depend upon the size of your animal, but you must also plan ahead and consider how quickly it will grow. Above all, your animal needs space. Space is important for several reasons. Your caiman may start off small as a hatchling, but growth is rapid. Despite what you might have heard, crocodilians do not stop growing when they reach the size of their enclosure, and their health and lifespan will be compromised if you don’t enlarge it to keep up. Your caiman needs enough space to move around comfortably - to submerge and swim in the water, and walk around on the land. In addition to considering the amount of space your caiman requires, don’t forget that every time you need to replace the enclosure with a bigger one, it’s going to cost you money. Plan ahead - ensure that the enclosure will last for at least 12 months. Check the growth charts earlier in this document to find out how fast your animal could grow in a year or two.
But how much space does a certain sized animal actually need? As an absolute minimum, the enclosure width and depth should be 3 to 4 times the animal’s total length, but larger sizes are preferable. In fact at least one country, Germany, will soon introduce quite specific requirements on the minimum size of an enclosure for a crocodilian. These apply to everyone in Germany, from private keepers to zoos, so they provide some guidelines to everyone. For a pair of crocodiles, minimum land area must be 3 times the largest animal’s SVL (snout-vent length) wide and 4 times long. The minimum water area must be 4 times the largest animal’s SVL wide and 5 times long, and minimum depth must be 0.3 times SVL. So, a pair of animals with a SVL of 1 metre (3.3 ft) - adult caiman size - would require a land area of 12 square metres (39.3 square feet) and a water area of 20 square metres (65.6 square feet) to a depth of 30 cm (12 inches). These German rules are intended for all species, although some species (like caimans) prefer a lot more water. Other countries, such as the US, may not have such minimum requirements (although check with your state’s wildlife office), but these rules illustrate the kind of enclosure size you would ideally be looking at. More animals will require a larger space - under German rules for example, add 10% more land area and 20% more water area for each additional animal. Still think that crocodilians are easy to accommodate?
Plenty of space enables your crocodilian to walk or swim around comfortably, with the ability to bask and submerge if necessary. Space also makes it easier to set up a thermal gradient in the enclosure - with a range of temperatures that the animal can choose if it wants to warm or cool itself. Lack of space leads to inactivity, increased stress, and poor health.
Umm...yea... why don’t you just not get one? You obviously can’t provide what the caiman needs. And the caiman suffers, not you
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02/24/07 11:07am
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#1185850 Ligator
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Message To: Snake head In reference to Message Id: 1185407
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  just like every question on earth you’re going to get 20 different answers to it. i didn’t read every response but i skimmed through them. you can easily get a dwarf caiman from kingsnake.com for like $135. just keep checking the classifieds and keep waiting. sure you’re going to see them for $275, i have, but you will definately see them for MUCH less. i saw them for $135 2 weeks ago from some dealer. i bought my most recent dwarf from that section of classifieds for $175 shipped. But believe me you can even do better than that. as for the growth rate my recent caiman had grown leass than 2 inches in the past year. with plenty of space and food. so the comment about a 7 foot dwarf caiman sounds a little ridiculous. it will take 15 freaking years for a dwarf caiman to grow 7 feet in captivity. but maybe that’s an exaggerartion but it sure aint happening overnight! (maybe i’m crazy here but a 7 foot "dwarf" caiman?) i had a spectacled caiman that barely got bigger than 4 feet in ten years.
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02/24/07 06:48pm
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#1185876 Snake head
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Message To: Ligator In reference to Message Id: 1185850
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  My post isn’t crazy. Maybee it will take 15 yuears to get 7 ft though it will get their. And se should look at that if shes planning on keeping it till it passes.
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02/24/07 07:04pm
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#1185982 Ligator
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Message To: Snake head In reference to Message Id: 1185876
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  bro a palp is not reaching 7 feet. anywhere, anytime. AND the thing will live to be 75 so who is keeping the animal till it passes? these animals will outlive the owners. pets, like everything else in life are temporary. it’s ok to keep a caiman till it gets too big to handle. send it to florida and buy another one. i had a "regular" pet once. a cat. it lived 12 years got cancer and died. ALL pets are temporary. my spectacled got too big for a manhattan apartment and i sent it to a florida refuge. now i have a dwarf caiman and when that gets huge i’ll send it as well and get another one. there’s nothing wrong with that.
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02/24/07 08:18pm
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#1186475 Simbaah
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Message To: Ligator In reference to Message Id: 1185982
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  You are right, Dwarf caiman only get 3 to 4 feet on average and 5 feet tops but on the other hand I would keep an alligator or caiman or whatever I bought for life cuz the refugee camps for crocodilians are swamped with unwanted gators and crocs and caiman that people bought and no longer wanted when they got to big so sometimes the refuge shelters get full and cannot take anymore, well you will often see messages on refuge sites saying that they may not be able to take any more gators or whatever cuz they are all full and it costs alot to feed them and few people will adopt a bigger gator. Now anyone can keep a dwarf caiman for life, anyone with a roof over thier head and an extra room or at least half of a large room, I dont think you will ever have to give your dwarf caiman away unless you live in a one room studio apartment with a nosey land lord. But yeah thats just how I feel, I think you will be fine to keep your caiman for life but on a better note you could sell a full grown dwarf caiman for twice as much or more than twice as much as you paid for it but a big gator would be hard to even give away you know. Peace.......
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02/25/07 05:05am
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#1186926 Buddy&Konas
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Message To: Simbaah In reference to Message Id: 1186475
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  DID ANYONE NOTICE SHE SAID SHES TURNING 13 YRS OLD??? I dont think an 13 yr old should get an caiman!! much less an dwarf Caiman...
How are you going to supply the money to feed it ? an indoor/ outdoor enclourse?? The fliter pumps for the ponds.. two ponds two vivs???
Caimans go for more money in canada just because they are illegal out here in most provinces so you should check with your wildlife and game in your province..
Caimans are not easy pets they cost thousands of dollars over their lifespan..
Vet- do you know if an good reptile vet that will actually treat an Caiman???
What do you plan to feed it ???
Please do about 3 or 4 yrs worth of reserarch and wait until you are at least 19 or 20 and have a job and can afford to keep one.. I dont know your parents but i dont think they are going to want to shell out so much money on an illegal reptile..
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02/25/07 01:55pm
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#1188252 Ligator
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Message To: Buddy&Konas In reference to Message Id: 1186926
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  3 to 4 years research?!?!?! What are you smoking bro? Give me some! This is the type of stuff I am talking about. Getting a pet caiman IS NOT this HUGE life changing ordeal as most people here would have you think. I am 34 years old and have had alligators and caimans for well over ten years and all the research I did was just having it. You need ponds? No. You need thousands of dollars of special equipment? No. Absurd. "outdoor" enclosures and NOT NEEDED. I lived in Manhattan and there is no way I can put my caiman and alligator outside. And it will thrive for years inside just as healthy. I am not attacking anyone but I think most of the advice on this website is exagerated if not "copy and pasted" from some other website. you want a caiman? go get one.
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02/26/07 11:29am
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#1188321 Simbaah
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Message To: Ligator In reference to Message Id: 1188252
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  I do agree with another thing that you said, crocodilians dont cost thousands of dollars to keep and they are not that hard to keep either, I have no idea what they are spending thousands of dollars on anyways, I dont understand how you could spend that much on them keeping them, if you know how to build like I do and know how to be thrifty then you can build a great enclosure for cheap indoors or outdoors. But I still believe that if a person is to get one they should plan on keeping it. Alligators do need more room though, at least a basement or garage, I like the indoor enclosure idea better because it would be hard to move a big gator indoors and outdoors for winter and summer. Unless a person lives in the country in a warm southern state they should have indoors plans cuz in a populated area little kids might creep into the enclosure or teenagers sneak in at night not to mention the problems that nosey neibors can bring. But if a person lives in an apartment they should get a dwarf caiman and not attempt to own a gator until they move into a house or get thier own property. I wish I did live in the country cuz I would have a crocodilian for every acre of land I owned. But space is an issue for most people and I think its good for the owner to want thier crocodilian to be happy or content with the enclosure and space they have and not cramped. Now for every crocodilian taken into captivity there is someone who has to deal with it wether by choice or becuase its there job so if someone buys one its thier responsibility, not the zoo or other places, I think the only reason for an owner to give one to a shelter is for sudden bad circumstances like they lose thier job or lose thier home or become ill and are not strong enough to handle it but not becuase they plan from day one to give it away, if everyone did that they would have to start destroying the unwanted crocodilians and they still do sometimes. The old saying is count up the cost before entering a war and choose your battles wisely. Peace.......
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02/26/07 01:32pm
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#1188605 Ligator
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Message To: Simbaah In reference to Message Id: 1188321
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  bro you aint keeping ANY pet for 70 years. it’s a nice fantasy and sounds real moral but it aint happening.
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02/26/07 05:14pm
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#1188905 Bigolgator
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Message To: Ligator In reference to Message Id: 1188252
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  Ligator i understand your point, but some people including myself, take owning crocodilians very serious. And want to give these animals the best life for as long as we can. Just because a caiman will eat,bask and swim indoors does not mean that it is healthy. Nothing is better for these animals then natural sunlight and being outdoors. I am fortunate to have 6 acres and that I can keep my gator outside for the summer. I have seen a huge difference in him. The first 4 years he was 100% indoors but when he reached 4’ I put him outdoors. He is now over 6’ and growing. I cant imagine sending him off to a rescue/farm because hes big. I will have him until i die and then my kids will get him. And i have spent thousands of dollars over the last 7 years. I have made more enclosures for him them I can count, he started in a 55 gal tank, 180 gal tank, 150 gallon preformed pond, 250 gallon pond now he has a 1000 gal pool. Everytime I upgraded his ponds I upgraded his filter and water heating systems. Plywood,indoor/outdoor carpet,heat lamps, food, electric bills, water bills all this adds up. I am upgrading his outdoors enclosure this spring. I will spend $1000 easy on chain link fencing and renting a back hoe. Some people go the extra step for their pets and some are satisfied with watching them eat live food.
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02/26/07 07:52pm
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#1189069 Simbaah
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Message To: Bigolgator In reference to Message Id: 1188905
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  Now I see how you spent thousands of dollars but as for me I would have one small enclosure and one big enclosure instead of upgrading again and again, I wonder why you didn’t get a big pond first but I agree with everything you said, out of everyone on this forum I would take advice or correction from you before alot of the people on here you know cuz I know how serious you are about it, I am just as serious, I just dont live in the country with a few acres, well at least not yet, Ive been thinking about renting to own a farm house somewhere when I could just get an apartment but I am willing to spend more money so I guess I can say that my crocodilians come first cuz a serious owners life pretty much revolves around thier animals. But you can find some good deals on old houses but then again if you get a good deal the chances are you will end up with a spooky old house with lots of noises at night lol And It will be hard to find a lady to exept my ready made family lol Peace.......
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02/26/07 09:28pm
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#1189164 Ligator
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Message To: Bigolgator In reference to Message Id: 1188905
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  That’s great that you can do all that. But my point is that you don’t have too. You can. But you don’t have too. And the "kids" on here make it seem like you need to rent a seperate studio apartment just for your caiman and that is ridiculous. There are alligators and caimans in Manhattan apartments and they are doing just fine. Sure they could be doing better outside but inside is fine too. Let’s also understand that these animals shouldn’t be "kept" period. It is our own selfishness that prevents us from seeing that. We are all guilty of that crime. So none of us are better than the other. Wild animals belong in the wild.
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02/26/07 10:17pm
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#1189172 Bigolgator
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Message To: Ligator In reference to Message Id: 1189164
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  Point taken.
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02/26/07 10:21pm
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#1189182 Bigolgator
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Message To: Simbaah In reference to Message Id: 1189069
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  Sim, I didnt want to put a hatchling in a large pond to start, the biggest pond I have now (1000gal) I just found about 6 months ago. If I had known of these size pools I would have bought it vs the preformed ponds.
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02/26/07 10:26pm
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#1189716 Toki99
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Message To: Bigolgator In reference to Message Id: 1189182
Im looking to buy 1 dwarf caimen  hi repti lover you live in newmarket ontario?
do your parents know about the laws in newmarket becuase i know for a fact that if u get caught with that caiman not only will they take it away from you but your rents will be getting a 5000 dollar fine to
thanks
kirk
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02/27/07 12:18pm
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