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Crocs View Profile |
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| 03/08/05 10:56pm |
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MX 4 LIFE 16 View Profile |
Message To: Crocs In reference to Message Id: 269006 How big do dwarf Caimans get?
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| 03/09/05 06:53pm |
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Crocs View Profile |
Message To: MX In reference to Message Id: 269655 How big do dwarf Caimans get?
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| 03/09/05 07:51pm |
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MX 4 LIFE 16 View Profile |
Message To: Crocs In reference to Message Id: 269759 How big do dwarf Caimans get?
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| 03/09/05 09:47pm |
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CelticTigeress View Profile |
Message To: MX In reference to Message Id: 269930 How big do dwarf Caimans get?
Have you ever actually researched the potential Buy?Thinking "Now what happens if it gets six feet will I still want it?" the crocodillian species is NOT something to be kept due to it being Cool neat spiffy whatever the words are these days Its just as bad as some ignorant jerk getting a Gaboon viper JUST to have it. Now lets answer a few frequently asked questions.. by frequently asked I mean every bloody day because people are too bloody lazy to read the previous posts. No, if you put them in a fifty gallon tank they will not stay small would you stay 2 foot if your mother so kindly crammed you into a two foot sock drawer because she didnt go and purchase the crib when you were born??I mean parents arent ignorant, when you take on the responsibility of something that could POTENTIALLY eat you you take on the responsibility of a child so to speak.a demented child but a child.... See its not like having a bird or a bunny you can cuddle with feed stroke and love...oh and if you forget to feed and water it it withers and dies...nope not gonna happen...forget to feed your bloody croc species and your liable to lose a part of you you have grown attached to.Now Im not giving a bad name to them they arent as bad as people think but when starved, they will bite..even then they might bite sometime down the road...are you ready to have those lovely teeth sink into the warm fleshy part of your hand???or are you gonna forget about it once your bit and not want it anymore? There are two types of Herpers in this world.. those that have been bitten those that will be bitten.. Im the first of the two.....matter of fact one of my babies broke my bloody index finger..... What do they eat how big do they get what should I put them in.... let me answer all these together...If you HAVE to ask that if you HAVE to ask dis[position...forget about getting one..... Pick up a book and read... if your on here obviously you have internet....so type it up AND research...also if your a minor Most wont sell to minors, nor people without proper permits where applicable... and my BIGGEST issue.. you want to buy instead of bloody adopt one... so then we as rescuers (myself a few others) are stucvk with some malnourished forgotten case or the parents discover it in the bedroom and kill it or call us...we get swamped with more and well... then here one of us is fussing. Dont bother, if you have to ask common sense questions found in a book then forget of getting the caiman alligator what you want and read more.... start off with a nile monitor at least then they dont get....too big.... but they bite and you can start getting an idea... someone thinking they are ready for a large species of a carnivore like a croc after keeping an iguana for two years alive...wrong... Cloud, I know you might find this rude (I know you all gasp..celtic princess rude/?not her heh)but I am freuqented with emails with people,"I have had my iguana for two years I want to adopt a alligator do you have any"IF I find someone wanting to adopt AND I have one to go out snake lizard croc...I question them speak with them via phone and have them fill out a printed application.Its how I always ran things, due to my love for the reptiles. What others do is THERE business but coming here asking who has a gator for sale..aint gonna cut it....if your that needy then you can find one butr if your having to look do the research before we hear another horrid tale of a mistreated animal or it winds up with one of us guys because ti was to much to start off with.Again something like "Ive had a cornsnake for sixth months I want a hot" sixth months of ownin...Why bother? Those of us that keep hots have had YEARS of experiance want a hot? get a Green tree python and handle it every day JUST to get bit..then say "what if there were inch long fangs and venom" they are not a novelty nor an animal you can handle every day. they will make you WISH you were dead if they dont kill you. Alligators will LATCH on and hurt.... Both are NOT for the inexperianced...... and thats all I have to say about that..aside from Im about ready to take a break WITH Bam from here sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh Oh and if someone has told you,"An alligator only gets as big as the enclosure" I have some beachfront property in Arizona ill sell cheap...thirty bucks.You ultimately stunt their growth just a wee bit but they dont stay small.... keep that in mind "When you stare into the abyss the abyss stares long into you and when you battle Monsters see in the process you do not become one" Celtic |
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| 03/10/05 10:56pm |
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Paul n my boy Dawg View Profile |
Message To: Crocs In reference to Message Id: 269759 Relatively Small and Nasty
In fact the temperament of Dawg is yet to be determined. Diamond (Mitch) has only been cross breading these guys for 4 years. The 4 year olds i have met have been very docile and "tame" but who knows what happens 5...6....7.....20yrs from now. For me I will still love my guy no matter how nasty he gets. I spent my high school years in PNG and we had a pet salty...can not get much nastier and bigger than that.................. .........Dawg rumbles "grrrrrrrrr" "we’ll see about that" |
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| 03/28/05 12:54pm |
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Pocketracr View Profile |
Message To: Paul In reference to Message Id: 289201 Relatively Small and Nasty
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| 02/13/06 10:14pm |
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Pugmar View Profile |
Message To: Pocketracr In reference to Message Id: 649272 Relatively Small and Nasty
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| 02/19/06 10:22pm |
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Pocketracr View Profile |
Message To: Pugmar In reference to Message Id: 657926 Relatively Small and Nasty
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| 02/19/06 10:34pm |
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Krokadilyanguy3 View Profile |
Message To: Pocketracr In reference to Message Id: 657963 Relatively Small and Nasty
So, in other words, Unless you have a very large room, the enclosure will take up most, if not all of it. |
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| 02/20/06 03:23pm |
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Pocketracr View Profile |
Message To: Krokadilyanguy3 In reference to Message Id: 658882 Relatively Small and Nasty
and keeping a smaller, about 6 or 7 foot, by 6 or 7 foot, and as tall as needed so it wont escape, with a pond, which means it will be raised about 2 or 3 feet inside for the winter. the outdoor will be 10ft by 10ft, with a 6ft by 3 1/2ft pond give or take. |
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| 02/20/06 05:12pm |
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Snakeman102889 View Profile |
Message To: Krokadilyanguy3 In reference to Message Id: 658882 Relatively Small and Nasty
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| 02/20/06 11:35pm |
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Krokadilyanguy3 View Profile |
Message To: Snakeman102889 In reference to Message Id: 659825 Relatively Small and Nasty
Also take notice in the key words in the last post. Bigger the room the better, and the people I know who have dedicated whole rooms to thier animals are often larger than this, being as most homes I have been in and built usually have 12’x12’ rooms. I’m sure rooms are be smaller, but even a small 10’x10’ room will provide adaquate space for my above statement, only losing about 28sq. feet or so to my advise. A four foot animal can manage in a smaller cage such as yours, but it only provides enough room for the animal to move around without touching the sides of your enclosure, which is good but, just enough isn’t good enough for me. Besides, there’s more to keeping crocodilians than just ’enough’ housing.. I stand by what I said. |
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| 02/21/06 04:38pm |
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Pocketracr View Profile |
Message To: Krokadilyanguy3 In reference to Message Id: 660684 Relatively Small and Nasty
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| 02/21/06 07:20pm |
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Krokadilyanguy3 View Profile |
Message To: Pocketracr In reference to Message Id: 661031 Relatively Small and Nasty
In one’s mind, keeping crocodilians is like keeping fish. Nothing really fancy about keeping the fish itself, but if you have the enclosure decked out, that brings to life the fish. When you look at a gold fish in a small bowl, you think, "eh". When you see one in a very well decorated enclosure, you think "Now that’s something." Crocodilians are the same way. If one of us walked in to look at your place, and noticed you had a caiman, we would be neated towards it because you share the same passion, but in an enclosure like that, no one would be impressed. When people see my enclosures, even in pictures, my enclosures are what stands out. I get more responses about the back ground than I do the actual animals. This is also a reason why I have more pictures of the animals in the enclosures and not in my hands, like many other people have. In a 10x10’ enclosure, you will not be able to present your animal, just show it. Everything you tried to house with it will be demolished, but it’s liveable; I guess.. If you’re gonna do it, do it right. Good thing is, Paleosuchus generally grow slow, so that’s a plus and gives you time to fund your project. Your idea seems great, just need to upgrade the sq. footage. As for the zoos and keeping crocodilians, What zoos have you been too? Nearly every single one Ive been to had way more room than I recommend, and most had even more than I give. The two that didn’t; one housed an adult (13-15’) green anaconda with 3-5’ alligators and the other only had babies. Which picture are you more drawn too? Both are mine..
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| 02/22/06 03:56pm |
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Razeraze View Profile |
Message To: Krokadilyanguy3 In reference to Message Id: 662342 Relatively Small and Nasty
for a 4-5 foot caiman i think 50 sq feet should be plenty. |
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| 02/22/06 04:13pm |
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Pocketracr View Profile |
Message To: Razeraze In reference to Message Id: 662367 Relatively Small and Nasty
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| 02/22/06 04:23pm |
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Razeraze View Profile |
Message To: Pocketracr In reference to Message Id: 662383 Relatively Small and Nasty
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| 02/22/06 04:27pm |
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Krokadilyanguy3 View Profile |
Message To: Razeraze In reference to Message Id: 662388 Relatively Small and Nasty
Quote: for a 4-5 foot caiman i think 50 sq feet should be plenty.
With an enclosure that small, I can’t help but feel the animal is nothing more than a status symbol; or an animal in quarantine.. |
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| 02/22/06 06:51pm |
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Razeraze View Profile |
Message To: Krokadilyanguy3 In reference to Message Id: 662643 Relatively Small and Nasty
the same she would do in a bigger cage.
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| 02/22/06 07:20pm |
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Pocketracr View Profile |
Message To: Razeraze In reference to Message Id: 662693 Relatively Small and Nasty
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| 02/22/06 10:05pm |
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Razeraze View Profile |
Message To: Krokadilyanguy3 In reference to Message Id: 662643 Relatively Small and Nasty
my master bedroom is only 10x13. i have my boas cage in it
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| 02/22/06 10:16pm |
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Krokadilyanguy3 View Profile |
Message To: Razeraze In reference to Message Id: 663077 Relatively Small and Nasty
I would question someone’s monitor enclosure if they gave it the space as you described as the minimum. Yours look decent, the animal has space to move around in, however, a 50 sq. ft. enclosure would be just enough for the animal to turn. Be kinda hard to vary temps both in water and on land. You probably could live in your room, but you are still getting more space than the 5’ crocodilian, that is suggested to have only 50sq ft of ground space. Pock, If everyone followed most pet store examples, many animals would probably cease to exist. |
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| 02/22/06 11:35pm |
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Razeraze View Profile |
Message To: Krokadilyanguy3 In reference to Message Id: 663218 Relatively Small and Nasty
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| 02/23/06 12:09pm |
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Krokadilyanguy3 View Profile |
Message To: Razeraze In reference to Message Id: 663574 Relatively Small and Nasty
But since my living room has too many doors leading to the deck, I’m stuck with smaller versions of habitats for the indoors.
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| 02/23/06 03:14pm |
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Pocketracr View Profile |
Message To: Krokadilyanguy3 In reference to Message Id: 663743 Relatively Small and Nasty
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| 02/23/06 04:26pm |
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Razeraze View Profile |
Message To: Krokadilyanguy3 In reference to Message Id: 663743 Relatively Small and Nasty
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| 02/23/06 04:57pm |
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Krokadilyanguy3 View Profile |
Message To: Razeraze In reference to Message Id: 663892 Relatively Small and Nasty
Bleach has also been good. Baking rocks would work as well. |
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| 02/23/06 07:05pm |
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Younglife View Profile |
Message To: Krokadilyanguy3 In reference to Message Id: 664227 Relatively Small and Nasty
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| 02/25/06 08:55am |
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Razeraze View Profile |
Message To: Younglife In reference to Message Id: 666224 Relatively Small and Nasty
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| 02/27/06 02:53pm |
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How big do dwarf Caimans get?
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