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 #1942261


Welshy6
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 Help toilet problems?!

Hi i’m not usually on this page, let me introduce myself quickly, I’m usually in the lizards & snakes forums, this is my cat sparky wen we first got him about 8 weeks ago, we got him from a farm, his mother was technically half wild, living in the barn catching mice and eating scraps the farmer put out, he can be a bit of a hand full, scratching & biting alot




and this is him now




My problem is he has been litter trained since before we got him, but has recently started weeing any where & every where, he still uses the litter tray but it only seems he uses it for pooing in, but not weeing, the thing is he is going in peoples shoes, in the box that we keep the kids homework in, on cusions, on the floor, the settee, well any where he feels really, is there any methods that may stop him doing this and start useing the litter box for both weeing & pooing, he is not allowed outside as we want to get him done first so he is not breeding with other cats, resulting in unwanted kittens, so if any one could help that would be great, also what is the best way to stop him from biting and scratching everyone especially the kids?



01/29/09  01:58pm

 #1942279


KrazyKelli
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  Message To: Welshy6   In reference to Message Id: 1942261


 Help toilet problems?!

If he suddenly shifted from using the litterbox to not using it at all, you need to see a vet to rule out things like urinary tract infections. They can be seriously uncomfortable for anyone. The next thing to do is fix the cat, as he could be spraying to mark territory. This is not something to wait on, as the more potent the smells he leaves behind, the more of a chance he’ll reuse that area.

Third: what are you using as a litter? What brand are you using?


To tame the cat a little, you or your kids need to play with him more. I recommend playing with gloves on if he’s a serious biter, as bites that break the skin can sometimes lead to the ugliest infections (usually to the point of going to the hospital). The play times should extend from thirty minutes to an hour a day and I recommend string, balls, and mice with the tails removed. If by biting you mean he chases and grabs onto ankles or he has moments when he simply wants to be left alone, then those are instinctual traits and something you may have to live with.



01/29/09  02:29pm

 #1943172


Rae rae
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  Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 1942279


 Help toilet problems?!

i’ve seen people with the same problem come into our clinic. first and foremost we check them for urinary tract infections. it’s because they know it hurts to pee. they then begin to assiciate the litter box with pain. next, if that’s not the problem, it’s a behavior problem. we then have these pills we can give to the cats that generally make them much more loving, use the litter box, and be an all around better cat. of course nobody wants to keep their cats on meds their whole life so it is best to see if you can fix the problem without them. but for the one case i’m talking about, this woman really tried everything with no success. so it helped her out a lot. good luck.



01/30/09  05:39pm

 #1943495


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  Message To: Rae rae   In reference to Message Id: 1943172


 Help toilet problems?!

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we then have these pills we can give to the cats that generally make them much more loving, use the litter box, and be an all around better cat


I’m curious. What is this pill exactly, and how does it work?
It doesn’t sound very appealing to me...but I’m not trying to start anything lol. Just going to point that out right now. I’m intrigued...



01/31/09  03:56am

 #1945685


Dragongirl6
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  Message To: MissSkyTheGecko   In reference to Message Id: 1943495


 Help toilet problems?!

Can’t say for sure what she was referring to, but it sounds like Prozac. Really a last resort, especially for an unaltered kitten who hasn’t seen the vet yet.

1) Get him to the vet to be checked for a urinary tract infection. He’s at the age where he probably needs vaccines/wormings/a check up anyway.

2) GET HIM ALTERED!! He will never stop peeing inappropriately if he isn’t altered.

3) Until you know what’s going on, keep him in a small room (the bathroom works best) to break his bad habits. Even if it is a medical issue, allowing him to pee inappropriately can start bad habits that last a lifetime, healthy or not. It is NOT cruel to keep him in the bathroom while you’re not supervising. It’s like crate training a dog, they have a room where they are safe, comfortable, and have very quick and easy access to the litterbox. Besides that, there are no alternative places in the bathroom to use as a litter box because nothing is absorbent (like carpets, towels, furniture, etc.). While you’re asleep, out of the house, or not supervising, you know kitty is safe and not getting into trouble.


Good luck, please keep us updated! If it does turn out to be behavioral (which I doubt, at this point), let us know. I can give you a lot of other tips but you need to get him to the vet to start with.



02/03/09  01:15am

 #1945690


Dragongirl6
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  Message To: Welshy6   In reference to Message Id: 1942261


 Help toilet problems?!

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he is not allowed outside as we want to get him done first so he is not breeding with other cats


I REALLY strongly urge you to never allow that cat to go outside. Letting him outdoors, altered or not, will make him more territorial, more likely to spray/pee inappropriately, and more likely to revert back to being feral (his mom was feral if she was living in a barn without much human interaction).

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what is the best way to stop him from biting and scratching everyone especially the kids?


Do you have any other cats? Once he’s neutered, if you don’t have other cats, you really should get a second one. It is natural, and necessary, for cats to bite/scratch/hiss/pounce/stalk/hunt/play with each other. If there isn’t another young, playful cat in the house all of this energy becomes focused on you (or the kids). Once he has a playmate, these problems should start to diminish, but you basically treat them as their mom would. If he does something inappropriate, scruff him and say a low-throated no, then ignore him for a few minutes. He’s biting/scratching for attention, so by ignoring him you will be teaching him that he doesn’t get what he wants by biting. Without other cats or mom to learn from, you’re all he has. So be as consistent as possible, use the bathroom as a training tool, and don’t be afraid to show him who’s boss.

Good luck with him.



02/03/09  01:22am

 #1945700


KrazyKelli
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  Message To: Dragongirl6   In reference to Message Id: 1945685


 Help toilet problems?!

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Besides that, there are no alternative places in the bathroom to use as a litter box because nothing is absorbent (like carpets, towels, furniture, etc.).



I wouldn’t say that. I had a male cat that loved pissing in the bathtub every time the litterboxes were slightly dirty. Not that I ever complained, since cleaning a bathtub is ridiculously easy.



02/03/09  02:36am

 #1946334


Dragongirl6
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  Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 1945700


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I had a male cat that loved pissing in the bathtub every time the litterboxes were slightly dirty.


Yes, a lot of cats will do that (my male cat does that himself), but my point is that with a clean litter box, the bathtub isn’t as attractive to pee in.



02/03/09  10:39pm

 #1946363


KrazyKelli
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  Message To: Dragongirl6   In reference to Message Id: 1946334


 Help toilet problems?!

I don’t know... Then there’s the issue of cats who litter toss all over the floor, knocking their excrement all over the place, followed by the risk of the cat pissing on the litter on the floor instead of in the box. If this problem should ever arise, lidded litterboxes are the way to go. =P

But I’m messing with you. Not everything is straightforward in solutions (fact, I don’t believe the medication solution will work for every cat, either) and it’s fun to try and cover all bases should a problem arise.

I may as well bring it up now, though I have no idea where the owner of this thread went, some cats absolutely refuse to piss on certain litters. Pellet litters such as Feline Pine is one. The second I changed to it, brainwashed into thinking it was the best thing on Earth, I found that my cats pissed everywhere but the box. The same goes for some brands of heavily perfumed litters, but not as harshly. Absolute misery, that one. Though in this case I don’t think litter is the issue, it’s the cat not being fixed.



02/03/09  11:35pm

 #1946399


Dragongirl6
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  Message To: KrazyKelli   In reference to Message Id: 1946363


 Help toilet problems?!

Haha I HATE feline pine!! Not only have I never met a cat that actually likes it/uses it consistently, it builds up phenols very quickly that are toxic to most any small mammal, including cats. Combine that with a covered litter box and you’ve got a URI waiting to happen...

My favorites are World’s Best, Ever Clean, and Cat Country. The crystals work ok too, they just don’t clump so the peeing is kind of gross...



02/04/09  01:25am

 #1948178


Welshy6
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  Message To: Dragongirl6   In reference to Message Id: 1946399


 Help toilet problems?!

well we have an appoinment with the vets next week, so we’ll see how that goes.

No we do not have another cat but we do have 2 jack russels, which the cat gets on really well with, he is playing with them, but they only have access to the kitchen, we dont have a kitchen door but we do have a baby gate which the cat can get threw so that he can have his own place away from the dogs if he wants, but he does enjoy being with the dogs alot.

Any way I’l let you know how it goes at the vets

Thanks guys



02/06/09  12:47pm

 #1959704


Fairy Frog Mother
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  Message To: Welshy6   In reference to Message Id: 1948178


 Help toilet problems?!

Add to the above very good advice...clean any place he has peed with Natures Miracle, or some other enzymatic urine cleaner. I used to keep a quart or gallon under my sink for all kinds of uses. It got the mold smell out of a tent a friend had put away with dew on it...It gets out blood stains pretty well too, and the smell of vomit out of matresses! Sorry, I know its gross...but if you have kids or pets, you know these things occur.



02/26/09  04:34pm

 #1972572


Webbieweb1999
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  Message To: Welshy6   In reference to Message Id: 1942261


 Help toilet problems?!

i realy dont know how to help but hey better than poop.......oh god it smells



03/22/09  12:43am

 #1976188


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  Message To: Welshy6   In reference to Message Id: 1942261


 Help toilet problems?!

My husband’s family owns a dairy farm in Virginia, and there are lots of "barn" cats around. I was attacked by one last year, and was on antibiotics for three weeks! The State tested the cat for rabies. Luckily, the test came back negative. Anyway, my advice to you would be to return your cat to the farm environment before everything is destroyed and someone really gets hurt!



03/28/09  06:56pm

 #1980406


Dragongirl6
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  Message To: SciGirl   In reference to Message Id: 1976188


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My husband’s family owns a dairy farm in Virginia, and there are lots of "barn" cats around. I was attacked by one last year, and was on antibiotics for three weeks! The State tested the cat for rabies. Luckily, the test came back negative.


How much actual experience do you have with cats? "Barn" cats are not genetically different from any other cat, they just haven’t been socialized in the same way as a cat that grows up inside with people. The cat doesn’t have rabies and cats really can’t do that much harm to a person, especially if they’re vaccinated and healthy.

You say you were "attacked" by a barn cat. What provoked the attack? I work with hundreds of feral cats and know for a fact that a true feral barn cat will NOT go anywhere near you if given a choice. Either the cat that bit you wasn’t feral or something happened to upset him/her.

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Anyway, my advice to you would be to return your cat to the farm environment before everything is destroyed and someone really gets hurt!


Everything is not going to be destroyed. This kitten is displaying KITTEN behavior, not barn cat behavior. Sure, he’ll need some extra socialization, but you can’t go around adopting animals and then dumping them back outside if they don’t meet your every need. You should always get an animal keeping in mind that the worst CAN happen and that no matter what, you are prepared to deal with the challenges and issues that come with raising a pet. The same goes for having children. The original poster came here seeking behavioral and training advice, not to be told her cat should be dumped outside because he has too much energy.



04/05/09  03:18am


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