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Hello, I have been researching lizards for a long time Chameleons have sort of been a weak point because there is a lot of different and controversial information out there. I decided I would leave it a weak point until now.

My Water Dragon Angus passed away a few days ago (RIP ANG) and now his empty viv staring at me has got me wondering...


OK so dimensions....

5ft tall - 6ft wide- just under 2ft deep.

I know they need mostly screen if not all screen enclosure. The fresh air flow is best for them.
This enclosure is not finished being built yet but I was planning to put poly coated screening over the place where the plexi-glass doors were going to go.

Along with a screen on the top. Enough Ventilation? Do I need a fresh air exchanger... thingy?

(the bottom of the pic shows a tank which will be housing something else and the floor built into the enclosure.







Now I have been doing a lot of research and I understand that its not just a lizard you put in a tiny box and say there ya go. I have currently with my Angus passing away 1 male water dragon, 2 female leopard geckos, 2 male green anoles, 1 male 1female red ear slider turtle.

I am not a beginner and am well experienced. But I do need help and opinions

With that size enclosure could I house a male and female? Perhaps but a devider straight down teh middle? Remove the devider if I wish to breed at a much later date or something? Do I need the devider? I will be able to take care of any possible breeding, eggs, and hatchlings. Could I do two females and one male in that enclosure????

I notice that some people (and well justified) here make a lot of comments abotu experience and research. So to avoid all that and get to the point my web site is on my profile along with allexperts.com which I am a "expert" in category reptile, iguana, turtles. My work is also seen there.

Thanks
Yexi



06/28/08  03:33pm

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the enclousure with a divider which seperated each compartment would be a really good sized tank for them and the screen idea is usually an issue in hot area’s if i remember right and please correct me if i’m mistaken you live in europe? if you live somewhere where the air is really cold outside then large well ventilated wooden tanks with a glass panel would be fine. Yeah you just move the female into the males enclosure when you need to breed them and they can breed 3 times a year. The females are like chickens in that they lay eggs regardless of breeding and they will be infertile if they haven’t been in contact with a male. As i said in the other thread they are so territorial that ANY lizard chameleon or not, male or female anything they will almost definitely kill. i hear veiled’s need at least 30 inches of height and lots to climb on and from what i hear you can keep them in roughly 12 cubic feet tanks (3x3x3 feet) but a 5 foot high 2 deep and 3 wide enclosure would be great for a veiled so yeah if i where you i would get a male and female (only if you want to breed because there is that risk of her becoming egg bound) if you dont wanna breed them get 2 males and keep them in the dimensions i mentioned

not bad for purely based on research eh?

oh i think you may already know this but MBD is a huge issue with captive chameleons do whatever you can to avoid it the legs should be a v shape at the knee/elbow/whatever not a u shape but yeah other than that maybe someone who has a chameleon currently can help?



06/28/08  04:13pm

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Thanks Chez, I live in the US on the north west coast. Summers get hot Winters get cold :) not too extreme on either LOTS of rain though... little humidity.... stupid climate :D


Yeah i know they lay infertile eggs and I am prepared for that and eventually I wouldnt mind tryign to breed them so I think I will look into a male/female pair.


I have seen pictures of Chams eating leopard Geckos.... I think I might have to move the enclosure to a different room... perfect view of my leos... they would be able to see the anoles, the leos and the turtles... not good :|

And I am sure it woudl stress the heck outta the leos and anoles.

Do you think if they were in view of Diego that it would be a problem? I dont know... I think Diego could take them lol... he is my macho dragon. lol

MBD seems to be huge/common problem in all of them... I will keep a close eye out for it though thx



06/28/08  04:47pm

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well if its anything like the UK (not sure if you’ve been her before) then ure tank will be fine.

yeah they aren’t fussy lol.

haha yeah sounds about right for the anoles cant imagine a leo getting a big deal of it though lol.

yeah Diego will be seen as a major threat Chameleons seem to hate everything lizardish that isnt small enough to be food. So a 3 foot male water dragon would anger any chameleon beyond belief

from what people tell me more chameleons die of MBD than natural causes not too sure u can say that about other species lol



06/28/08  08:11pm

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Not sure about being like the climate there ... never been... but it rains A LOT here lol

I can move the cage so they cant see the little guys and the little guys dont get stressed.... but the only other place in the hosue I can think of now is straight across the room from monster Diego! :D

You would be surprised how many people come to me asking for help that their Leopard Gecko has MBD.... everyday it seems I get a question about it.

That and Bearded Dragons...

Perhaps it is because they are the most common lizards though... There are more Leos and Beardies in the pet trade then just about anything else yknow?

Dont know any percents...

I will have to find somewhere for the lizards to all get along and not feel threatened... I know the anoles and the geckos would definately feel threatened by Diego. Heck my 10yr old sister feels threatened by them. When she comes to spend the night she wont even sleep in the living room LOL

:D




06/28/08  10:30pm

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haha it rains a lot here too

ahh well where the anoles and gecko’s would seem like a snack to the chameleons diego would almost deffinately be seen as a rival and cham’s really suck when stress is concerned

just find some kinda arrangement that allows you to put the chameleons facing away from all the other reptiles

yeah not a surprise particularly bearded dragons since they have high calcium needs

yeah everyone has a leopard gecko these days even here in the UK

haha my sister will come and handle puff (my water dragon) or she will come down and handle fluffy (ball python), castro (red tail boa), rambo (burmese python) or aphrodite (very grumpy jungle carpet python) but diill always scared her, he was kinda conditionally tame he would let me handle him and play with him like he was a puppet but anybody else and it was frill up and teeth out he wasn’t afraid to bite them either lol.

haha does he bite? or is it random phobia

is there no rooms in your house that have a fair bit of space? when i move out after college and university i’m gonna dedicate a room to my reptiles not sure how ide keep my sticky tongued friend from being scared maybe put him in the living room or something lol



06/29/08  07:39am


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