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 #2029103

 Mice for food?

hay all! =)

I was just bumming around on youtube and saw a bunch of vid’s showing V-chams eating mice.
my questions are, are thay good for them? and if so how often could thay eat them?

any advice would be helpfull. =)

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 #2029619

 Mice for food?

i agree that pinkies, even small ones are not the best feeders, and certainly not for frequent feeding, however i used to feed my bigger veileds (no longer keep veileds) the smallest pinkie i could find, a ONE TIME feeding after about 6 months of having them, just as a precaution, to be sure they were getting a full nutritional spectrum , so they would get a brief shot of blood and natural calcium (bones), something that they dont normally get from insects, and never had any problems , it is common knowledge that veileds in the wild often eat things other than insects , like rodents, lizards, and small birds if the opportunity presents itself , but they are wild and have a much higher metabolism than any captive veileds , but consider this, most calcium supplements are derived from ground oyster shells , and one thing is for sure, there has never been veiled that eats oysters

 #2029625

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 #2029699

 Mice for food?

my only point was, that the calcium derived from something like a pinkie , might be be easier to assimilate, than say , a dusted cricket , particularly when mixed with a blood and other goo, as for crickets, i think dubias make a better staple , much meatier , less exoskeletal , and better to raise your own insects if possble for a #of reasons , and if one has to raise insects, dubia are a much better choice than crickets , less noisy, less smelly, breed faster and much less maintenance in general

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 #2029904

 Mice for food?

they dont fly, cant climb glass or plastic, kinda slow , dont dart as much as regular cochroaches, like to eat all the stuff that you would like to gutload with, arent noisy like crickets , dont die as easy as crickets, genarally speaking they dont cheww on your animals at night like crickets, and they cant get out of their feeding cup any way , they are easier to breed than crickets, dont smell like crickets, set them up in a 18" tall rubbermaid ,(or a thousand other ways) / you get a self perpetuating starter colony , furniture, starter roach food ,(its ok for startup but i dont want my chams eating large quantities of it, its mostly made of crushed dry dog food), egg flats, starter care sheet, water crystals , 2pcs aluminum screen and about 150 roaches at least, with already breeding adult pairs , babies, feeder size, if you just have one cham you can conservatively start using feeder size right away, takes about 10 minute to clean their cage every 3months or so and you will never have to buy another cricket again if you dont want to . if you have more than one cham i would order another 120 feeders , for every cham so you dont deplete your colony before it gets going , put a smal heet pad under it, and in a few months you will have more roaches than you know what to do with (thats why so many people sell them

 #2029906

 Mice for food?

forgot to include price, prices vary but starter colony about $50, another $10-20 for every additional 120 feeders

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 #2030494

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i agree, thats the main drawback of dubia , after sitting in a feeding cup for several minutes they can become almost motionless and just sit there looking like little rocks or something, unlike crickets who will still be moving hrs later, thats why i only feed a few dubia at a time, what i estimate will be immediately eaten, if any dubia are sitting motionless in the cup after 15 min later, i put them back in the colony and use fresh ones next feeding

 #2030505

 Mice for food?

maybe i was lucky or maybe it was the particular supplier, but when i got my colony it had several already breeding adult pairs and and a good population of little tiny ones (1/4" or less) , i have been feeding 4 chams ever since i got it several months ago and cannot imagine ever running out, it is my staple ,but i do supplement with other feeders, and that relieves some of the pressure on the colony