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 First time with baby jacksons, looking for advice

Hello everyone, sorry I haven’t posted in a long time. This is my first time in the chameleons forum, so let me give a quick intro. My name is Richard, my wife and I run a very successful and very responsible pet supply store somewhere in VA. I have never advertised here, and never will. We both love animals and live with a great number of them, too long a list to put here. I have learned a lot from these forums and care sheets. Now, I am faced with a new challenge and am excited to learn. We came home from the Maryland Reptile Farms show in Richmond today, and when we arrived home, my wife found baby chameleons.

We had bought 2 Jacksons a while back from our distributor, while we were buying for our store, and the idea was to breed them. Of course, being busy and all, we have not done it as we wanted to learn how to do it before we did it. It seems Dharma had other plans, since she was gravid when we bought her (we did not know that). we set them up in separate screen cages and they are doing great. As i said, when we got home, there were at least a dozen babies. Right now, until and if we hear otherwise, we are separating the babies from Dharma (if you are wondering, the male was named Karma, and yes I know it is probably an overused name, but everyone needs a Karma chameleon) and are setting them up as we would the adults, except feeding 1/8th inch crickets. Luckily we own a pet store so we are able to get all the supplies we need in the middle of nowhere at 8:00 on a Sunday night.

So, my question is: Is there anything else we should do or should not do to insure the best environment for these guys. As I said, we are setting them up the same as the adults, Zoomed screen cage, terr liner, powersun 100w set up off the cage to disperse the heat some, live pothos (Dharma has a hibiscus and Karma has a ficus), and several decorative fake vines and plants. We are setting them up in the bathroom, since it is the only place we still have room for pets, it is climate controlled and gets humid at least once or twice a day during showers. They also have a dripper and get sprayed 3-4 times daily. As mentioned earlier, we plan to feed 1/8th inch crickets, unless we hear otherwise.

Thank you to all in advance for any advice you may give, I look forward to hearing from y’all.

Richard



07/26/09  08:19pm

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  Message To: ThePetCastle   In reference to Message Id: 2045833


 First time with baby jacksons, looking for advice

Wow-congrats! Not an unheard of story when buying livebearing species. The trouble is, and I am not trying to disourage you-just stating the facts, is that the babies of livebearing species are VERY hard to keep alive. Now-it CAN be done, a good friend of mine had the same thing happen with a female jacksons and kept all of the babies alive! The first thing about baby Jacksons is put them in a screen cage and make sure the temperature is not higher than high 70’s in the basking spot. Most people kill baby Jax with too high heat. If you set them up with a live plant and in a screen cage and mist 5X daily you have a better chance. Mom will eat them, so it is good that you separated. I would NEVER use a Power Sun on baby anythings, let alone Jacksons. Get a linear UVB Reptisun or Reptiglo 5.0 tube for the top of the cage, and than maybe a 40w bulb for basking-remember-no higher than around 78 degrees in one corner. Baby Jacksons are major eaters-so pin heads and fruit flies galore! 1/8 might be a little big-but don’t get the tiny pins-they are a waste.



07/26/09  08:32pm

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  Message To: ThePetCastle   In reference to Message Id: 2045833


 First time with baby jacksons, looking for advice

Welcome ... and congratulations on the babies :)

Good, sound advice from Juli all around. And ABSOLUTELY lose the PowerSun. Jackson’s are a montane species, even adults can’t handle a Powersun 100w. Keeping temps on the cooler side is a must for Jackson’s, even more so for babies.

Best of luck!



07/26/09  08:52pm

 #2045904


ThePetCastle
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  Message To: LunaC   In reference to Message Id: 2045856


 First time with baby jacksons, looking for advice

The power sun will be removed, didn’t really use tonight anyway, we’ve had storms rolling trough and power has been iffy. We will get a linear tube tomorrow, as for the crickets, there really is nothing between pins and 1/8th according to my supplier, and we don’t have access to fruit flies right now. Had we known we would have picked some up at the herp show today. We are using a zoomed screen enclosure that has basically the same screen as any screen door, are there any suggestions for keeping the small crickets in the cage, or shall I just learn to live with small crickets loose in the house (I have already adjusted to small and medium crickets for our other pets).

The final tally, unless we missed any, is 16 live with 2-3 not looking so great, and 1 still born still in an egg-like sac. Other than the few weaker looking ones, they all seem very strong and have definate attitude, most of them tried to bite my wife as she was pulling them out to re-home them.

What about supplements, we usually use the repcal brand and the herptivite and calcium without D3 seem to do well for our herps (we usually buy whole lots of baby beardies at 1-2 weeks old and raise them ourselves in the store until they are 5-6 inches and eating both crickets and veggies very well). On occasion we use jump-start by r-zilla for our weaker guys. Anyway, do the baby chameleons need any calcium or vitamin supplementation (we usually dust the adults food with calcium 1-2 times a week).

I will update from time to time and if I can, will post pics. Thanks to all for your help, it is greatly appreciated, and any other advice will be also.

Richard



07/26/09  11:05pm

 #2045907


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  Message To: ThePetCastle   In reference to Message Id: 2045904


 First time with baby jacksons, looking for advice

Sorry, I have one other question. Is there anything I can do for Dharma? We have put a few crickets in, along with waxworms. She is eating, and looks and acts healthy. Other than just giving birth, she seems perfectly normal. Thanks again.

Richard



07/26/09  11:08pm

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  Message To: ThePetCastle   In reference to Message Id: 2045907


 First time with baby jacksons, looking for advice

fantastic, we will of course need to see some pictures, i also have baby jacksons born 07/29/09 and can be seen elswhere in the forum under the post "welcome to the jungle" , baby jax get dehydrated super ultra easy , they also inhale water super easy, generally i am against aquariums as cham housing but personally i feel a 10 gal aquarium makes a better nursery for the first 6-8 weeks before you move them into a screen cage , it makes it easier to keep a close eye on them, and also raises and stabilizes humidity, and it makes it easier for them to find their food and keep track of how much they are eating ,and you dont have to worry as much about tiny feeders escaping and easier to see how much food is left in the cage, pinheads make a good first food, so do hydei but they get bored with them quickly , you can get true pinheads and true 1 week crickets from the chirpntime cricket farm on ebay, as soon as they get 2 weeks old you can get regular houseflies (cultured not wild , & not blue bottle) they are about 1/2 the size of blue bottle flies and it will be a lot easier for them to find and get to in a 10 gal , you can put the flies in the fridge and immoblize them long enough to put about 30 in at a time, you can see when they are all gone, so they dont escape when you open the cage. when they are 30 days you can move onto 1/4’ cricks and blue bottle flies. word of warning they are little debris eaters, keep your substrate covered, i use a paper towel cut to fit and the edges tucked between the substrate and pot, the plants get sad looking quickly, so i rotate at every cage cleaning (about once every three days) the previous posters (julirs&lunaC) were right in recomending ditching the powersun, it will cook them neonates regardless of temp, my personal preferance is for the zilla combo dome with the desert 25 circular and a 25w black light (not blacklight) night halogen, it puts out a very subdued light , but , heat is not needed, they (neonates) are perfectly happy at 75* and are perfectly ok at 65* at night,try not to exceed 80* ever, i mist at least 10 times a day but just a fine two sprits, not so much that they actually get soaking wet , some times if they seem extra thirsty i will switch to a solid stream and just squirt the plants wherever they are not, i use bamboo skewers leading to each corner, so they always have a way to get back up to the plants, they will do the glass confusion thing , just put a skewer in front of them and it distracts them, they will crawl right onto it every time, also i keep a white terry cloth liner cut to size on the bottom, i have several so when they cage gets dirty, i just put them all in a container and pull everything out rinse the tank in the shower and put it all back together as quickly as possible , (takes 5 min) i have my plants trimmed so i can leave the lid off most of the time , if you leave the lid on they will all be on the screen in short order, i dont like leaving them in the upside down position for extended periods, so thats why i leave the screen off whenever i can, but if you need to get them all out it makes it handy , just wait until they are all on the screen and remove it , rather than trying to physically get them off of the screen, just lay it upside down and they will all start racing off , as far as the supplementation thing, i have given them one dose of reptivite and dust twice weekly with rep cal once with d3 once calcium only , hope i have covered most of it and if you have any probs feel free to email directly ; i will get back to you sooner than posting in the forums good luck



07/27/09  01:47am

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  Message To: Xanthoman   In reference to Message Id: 2045952


 First time with baby jacksons, looking for advice

when i cut out a duplicate picture i also cut out my email so here it is again ;

mom



07/27/09  01:56am

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  Message To: Xanthoman   In reference to Message Id: 2045953


 First time with baby jacksons, looking for advice

my email doesnt seem to be getting through, so i will try one more time, if it doesnt get through it must be getting removed by the moderator, if necessary you can always pm me @ cf forums ,my email is; , i missed a couple of things any way , if you use a 10 gal tank you can prevent hydei from getting out, even without the lid on , by wiping the inside upper inside rim with veggie or olive oil,and if the weaker ones are not eating there is one thing you can do ,if they will gape (they usually do for the first few days)make a liquid with a tiny dash of reptivite (about the equivalent of 2 or 3 grains of salt)the same for calcium, crush about 30-50 pinheads (refridge first to make them immobile),wouldnt hurt to even add an orange cube to the mix, crush it all really well and mix with a tablespoon or two of water, filter through a fine screen like a teabag filter, put the liquid in a dental syringe (the type with a curved tip ,no needle) and when ready to use let ONE drop hang off the end of the syringe when one gapes just touch the drop to his tounge , do not try and squirt or you will most likely drown them,keep refridgerated for future use, also if you get any fruit flies dont bother with melongaster , and keep your culture on a coaster on some fly or shelf paper,mites cannot be avoided and they love to attack ff cultures, you dont want to be dumping mites on them when you sprinkle your ff on them, but i would switch to one week cricks as soon as you can,by week two you should be able to use two week cricks (1/8") and the smallest of dubia if you have any available, also put 1 or 2 orange cubes in the tank to keep feeders alive & hydrated, they will congregate on the oc and having a tiny branch or two over the oc makes a good hunting opportunity , keep me posted and let me know if you have any questions, xanthoman



07/27/09  11:58am

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  Message To: Xanthoman   In reference to Message Id: 2046076


 First time with baby jacksons, looking for advice

one last thing, i would try and get them a couple of hrs of real sun asap , its ok to do in the 10 ga. [with the lid off (if you go that route)] but keep a temp probe in it and a spray bottle handy to control temps, you can also lower temps by spraying outside of cage , do not leave tank or cage unattended or crows will instantly spot and kill the neonates, how exciting, i will be waiting to hear back



07/27/09  12:13pm

 #2046119


ThePetCastle
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  Message To: Xanthoman   In reference to Message Id: 2046084


 First time with baby jacksons, looking for advice

Thank you so much for all the advice, we really appreciate it. This is Elaine, the wife. I’m at home with the neonates today. I’ve moved them into a 10g, with a ReptaSun 5.0 and a 25W daylight bulb to warm one side. I’m getting temp readings of 78 at the warmest spot, 72 at the coolest, with a general ambient temp around 75. All 16 seem to be doing well so far - all are very active. They have a repti-hammock, a large fake plants with lots of small leaves and stems in the bottom on top of paper towel, one live pathos, and several bamboo skewers so they don’t get stuck anywhere (thanks for that idea, BTW!).

Since we weren’t expecting these little guys, all I have to offer them right now are 1/8" crickets. I’ve dropped a few in, but no one has eaten yet. One was hunting and really tried, but he seemed to be having a hard time figuring out how to use his tongue. He got a little better each try, but the cricket was too fast for him. I have pinheads coming on Wednesday, but I’m worried about what to do in the meantime. You mentioned tiny dubias before. We have a colony of lobster roaches, with plenty of tiny babies. Would those be okay to offer? Also, I have a colony of mealworms. Normally, I wouldn’t even think about feeding mealworms to baby anything, but, just until I get my pins on Wednesday, would it be okay for them if I offer some of the extrememly tiny mealworms? These would be much smaller than anything they sell in the stores - probably about the size of x-small phoenix worms. I just don’t want anyone to go hungry while I’m waiting for the pins to arrive.

Thanks again for all the advice. I’m taking pictures so we can get some posted here soon, hopefully.



07/27/09  01:19pm


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