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#893001
Sargent_horvath
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Dark Colours?? 
Before i have removed my male from my female (veiled chameleons) the female has been showing colours i havnt seen before, it was dark brown, some green spots and yellow. They are removed right now but i am going to put them back together in another week for them to breed. What were these colours, the male didnt even touch her and she was showing these colours all day, was it stress??
Jesse 
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07/19/06 01:20pm
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#893032
Pacman500
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Message To: Sargent_horvath In reference to Message Id: 893001
Dark Colours??
yes definately stress. The female wasnt receptive so she showed the male just that. If any colors are exibited, you should seperate them and then give it another try next week
Austin
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07/19/06 01:36pm
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#893177
Sargent_horvath
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Message To: Pacman500 In reference to Message Id: 893032
Dark Colours??
Ok thanks Austing, yea there seperated already and im gunna just give it 1 more week to go and hopefully itll work out good.
Jesse
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07/19/06 02:50pm
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#893331
Pacman500
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Message To: Sargent_horvath In reference to Message Id: 893177
Dark Colours??
yeah watch em carefully when ever they come into contact good luck
Austin
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07/19/06 04:03pm
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#893841
Jonas77
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Message To: Pacman500 In reference to Message Id: 893331
Dark Colours??
I dont get it. You have them together usually, but separate them for a while? It should be the other way around.
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07/19/06 07:34pm
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#893862
Jonas77
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Message To: Pacman500 In reference to Message Id: 893331
Dark Colours??
I dont get it. You have them together usually, but separate them for a while? It should be the other way around.
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07/19/06 07:39pm
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#893866
Jonas77
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Message To: Pacman500 In reference to Message Id: 893331
Dark Colours??
I dont get it. You have them together usually, but separate them for a while? It should be the other way around.
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07/19/06 07:39pm
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#893874
Jonas77
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Message To: Pacman500 In reference to Message Id: 893331
Dark Colours??
I dont get it. You have them together usually, but separate them for a while? It should be the other way around.
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07/19/06 07:39pm
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#894020
Dragos mom
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Message To: Jonas77 In reference to Message Id: 893874
Dark Colours??
No, Jonas, he’s been trying to introduce them to mate periodically, although they are awfully young and he has been advised to refrain from breeding her until she lays at least one infertile clutch. But aren’t the brown colors with yellow spots gravid coloring? I’ve only really ever seen your and Alan’s gravid females. DM
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07/19/06 09:42pm
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#895047
Alan Johnson
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Message To: Sargent_horvath In reference to Message Id: 893177
Dark Colours??
Sarg
When we last discussed this(3.7.06) i advised you to wait at least 2 months before trying to mate them again
as in my opinion they are still to young.From wot you told me last time she could very well be pregnant and this is why she is rejecting him .SO PLEASSsssssssss LISTENnnnnnnnnnnnnn don’t put them together again for at least another 2 months thus ensuring if she is already pregnant she will have laid them.
AJ  
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07/20/06 02:03pm
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#895050
Alan Johnson
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Message To: Sargent_horvath In reference to Message Id: 893177
Dark Colours??
Sarg
When we last discussed this(3.7.06) i advised you to wait at least 2 months before trying to mate them again
as in my opinion they are still to young.From wot you told me last time she could very well be pregnant and this is why she is rejecting him .SO PLEASSsssssssss LISTENnnnnnnnnnnnnn don’t put them together again for at least another 2 months thus ensuring if she is already pregnant she will have laid them.
AJ
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07/20/06 02:05pm
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#899325
Sargent_horvath
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Message To: Alan Johnson In reference to Message Id: 895050
 Dark Colours??
Yea they are seperated, they were already seperated before i made this forum, they were seperated right after our last discosion over seperating them, im just asking how long they should be seperated for now and im getting answered for 2 weeks and 2 months, someone give me the aboslute correct time.
Jesse
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07/22/06 04:05pm
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#899442
Alan Johnson
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Message To: Sargent_horvath In reference to Message Id: 899325
Dark Colours??
Sarg
The answer i gave was 2 months, this is to give her enough time to lay her eggs if she is already pregnant so pleas just hold back on putting them together until you are sure she is not already gravid .
These are a few older ones off my female when she was last gravid hope this helps .
My female is again showing singes of being ready to lay again for the fourth time i and others on hear try so hard to slow this down because off wot it takes out off a female to produce all these eggs so pleas just hold back on rushing them that’s really all i am trying to get across to you there is no knead to rush things that are going to happen one day
AJ
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07/22/06 05:09pm
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#900667
Sargent_horvath
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Message To: Alan Johnson In reference to Message Id: 899442
Dark Colours??
Ok thanks for the info AJ, they have been seperated but i wanted to know, which one should go in the smaller cage for now until i buy a bigger one, it fits him well but shouldnt the male be in the smaller one for now for my female to hvae space to lay her eggs and space to move.
Jesse
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07/23/06 12:35pm
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#900834
Pacman500
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Message To: Sargent_horvath In reference to Message Id: 900667
Dark Colours??
If the egg laying box is large then you need to give her room but a male really should be in a larger cage. If we had your cage sizes we could help more.
Austin
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07/23/06 02:38pm
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#900895
Timbo08
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Message To: Pacman500 In reference to Message Id: 900834
Dark Colours??
I havent been keeping up with this topic. Just how old, or should i say how young, are the chameleons your trying to breed. Are they related? Oh and your female wont need a laying box as jackson chameleons are live bearers, all of the babies are wraped in a membrane sac which is then dropped from the females cloaca to the ground.
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07/23/06 03:29pm
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#902625
Alan Johnson
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Message To: Timbo08 In reference to Message Id: 900895
Dark Colours??
The Cham,s he is trying to breed are Veild Chameleons he is trying to breed
AJ
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07/24/06 02:22pm
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#902738
Timbo08
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Message To: Alan Johnson In reference to Message Id: 902625
Dark Colours??
thats why i get for not following the post better. A.J. How old are they?
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07/24/06 03:14pm
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#902776
Alan Johnson
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Message To: Timbo08 In reference to Message Id: 902738
Dark Colours??
From wot Sarge has posted they are about 6 or 7 month es old and in my opinion and others on hear they are still to young to start breeding . My advise to Sarge all the way through this has been the same(wait ) So Sarge if you will pleas understand this time and let nature take its course she should be okay to begin trying again in a few months .After we see she is not pregnant or she lays the eggs she may be carrying
AJ
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07/24/06 03:36pm
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#902988
Sargent_horvath
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Message To: Alan Johnson In reference to Message Id: 902776
Dark Colours??
Ok well i have my male in the smaller cage and i am going to have them seperated for a long time, but yesterday, some of my dads friends came by and one of their sons had some chameleons so he looked at my reptiles and told me that my female was pregnant because his son actually raises and breed em. My male and female are not from the same batch and they look like they can be maybe 7 months old. Alan if u will listen they are seperated okay so please understand that because u keep on saying that they are not, im going to wait a long time okay. One of my tanks are huge and its a 100 gallon, the other one my make is in is not big and quite small but im waiting to get another one soon.
Jesse
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07/24/06 05:40pm
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#903013
Alan Johnson
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Message To: Sargent_horvath In reference to Message Id: 902988
Dark Colours??
Sarge not meaning to sound disrespect full hear but can you tell me where in my post i say you don’t have them separated at the moment .All i have done is try to advise you on breeding them if you don’t require my help just tell me to mind my own business by all means but don’t ever say things i have said or written to you on this thread that are not right PLEAS !
AJ
PS I don’t normally put this on the forum i would however like other peoples opinion concerning this as you have really ppppppppppppp me offfffffffff
Might i just add if you decide not to take my advise in the future ,hope everything works out okay for your chameleons in the future
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07/24/06 05:57pm
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#903033
Dragos mom
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Message To: Alan Johnson In reference to Message Id: 903013
Dark Colours??
Alan, I think all of us realize that you are doing your best to help advise Jesse but I fear the deed is done.
Jesse: That’s why I posted what I did regarding your original query. It appears she may already be gravid and constantly re-introducing her to the male now is bad for both of your chams. THAT is what Alan was trying to convey to you. Jonas, Alan, Timbo, Sunburst-ALL agree that it is unwise to turn your little female into a breeding machine at 7 months. It shortens their lives considerably. Now PLEASE follow the advice of these experienced individuals to help her safely lay her clutch. She is YOUR chameleon, you decided to breed her and now you must do everything you can to provide her with a good diet, proper laying area and prepare to incubate these eggs you desired for her to have. We’ll ALL be here to help you. Good luck. DM
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07/24/06 06:09pm
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#903340
Sargent_horvath
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Message To: Dragos mom In reference to Message Id: 903033
Dark Colours??
Ok i am sorry Alan i was just getting a little frustrated but im sorry okay, now i wanna get this through nice and easy, i hvae my male in the smaller cage and i have te female in alot bigger cage and im sorry i wasnt trying to make them a breeding machine but a few people on RZ said that it was okay to breed after 6 months old so i listened to them because my plan with my 2 chameleons was to breed them at 1 point but 6 or 7 months old wasnt really wize and i shouldnt of ever listened to the people and get everyones opionion. Now i do have an incubator that stays in the 80s in temperature. Now since she isnt the biggest to breed how much eggs should she be able to lay?? Thanks everyone and thanks DM and Alan.
Jesse
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07/24/06 08:34pm
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#903958
Alan Johnson
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Message To: Sargent_horvath In reference to Message Id: 903340
Dark Colours??
Jesse
If i could say how many eggs she will lay i would but i cant no one can it all depends on so many things .But wot i can tell you is that my own ,s first clutches were small 40 then 43 then they took a jump the 3rd being 63 so who knows just up her feeding slightly and dust them well and hopefully mother nature will do the rest .
AJ
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07/25/06 02:35am
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#904397
Dragos mom
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Message To: Alan Johnson In reference to Message Id: 903958
Dark Colours??
Jesse: I believe that most breeders try very hard to lower the number of eggs to make it easier on their females by carefully controlling their dietary intake and supplementation. You don’t want to starve her, but do not over-feed her. make sure her food is very carefully gut-loaded with a variety of greens and then dusted with supplements per your regular schedule. I don’t know about Alan, but in my other herps, I increase my calcium supplementation during my females’ gravid stages and for several weeks after they lay. Begin to set-up her laying area, keeping the substrate at proper moisture levels and providing a means to enter and exit the area without difficulty. Luna said several months ago that she cuts the bottom out of a paper bag and puts it around the laying area to provide privacy for her female and I think for her first time your female may appreciate this, too. Good luck and keep us posted. DM
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07/25/06 12:22pm
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#904659
Sargent_horvath
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Message To: Dragos mom In reference to Message Id: 904397
Dark Colours??
OK Thanks Alan and DM, yea i wouldnt want her to lay to many eggs and would like to keep it nice and slow. Now when they did mate how many days do you think it would be until she layed the eggs and once she lays the eggs how many days will it take to hatch because i wanna make a calender date. Oh and i will start to use alot of calcium and feeding her as much as she wants. Oh and what i have been doing looks alright but tell me if this is okay, what i do is put maybe 20 crix in a tupperwear container (only for my female) and i set the container to the bottom of the cage (they dont jump out of the contanier because they becmome calm) and she regualry just goes branch to branch and she eats out of the container until shes done eating, so can i do that. Ill make sure to get a picture of my tank too, what it contains is a real tall looking palm tree and a hanging plant (a fern) that hangs from a branch.
Jesse
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07/25/06 03:00pm
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#904746
Boothy
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Message To: Sargent_horvath In reference to Message Id: 904659
Dark Colours??
after breeding my female veiled she was digging 20days later so i put her box in filled with sand and vermiculite(moist) but not to wet and she dug a few test holes and then i went over to my buddies to leave her alone for a few hours and when i came home around 11 that night she had just finished laying her last egg and she started barryin them up and i woke the next mourning to her sleeeping and sooo thin and then i took a small paint brush and slowly took the sand away and it took me liek 3 hours to get all 69 eggs and now iv had them incubating for about 74 days now so if ya need any questions ask jonas77 or alan johnson they were the ones that gave me adive that worked perfectly but every chameleon is different so when your female starts scratching at the bottom put her lay box in her cage and she will do what mother nature taught her to do but keep me posted how things are going and the best of luck to you
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07/25/06 03:44pm
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#905447
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Message To: Boothy In reference to Message Id: 904746
Dark Colours??
Ok Thanks Boothy, i will be keeping eveyone posted how everything is going and iim pretty sure that she can be laying in maybe even 10 more days if i am correct but man i cant wait for this. Thankyou evveeerrryyonnee for helping me on this forum i made, it really helped me and i just hope i get through this process good. I will be getting a container tomorow and i shall put some vercumlite in there and i will put it moist, ill keep you updated tomrow.
Jesse
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07/25/06 09:35pm
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#907054
Sargent_horvath
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Message To: Sargent_horvath In reference to Message Id: 905447
Dark Colours??
Hey guys i have a new thing i wanted to ask about my chameleons colours, i woke up this moring and found a diffrent new colour i have never seen before, she looked more calm because the male is gone but she had these coulours, it was nicely green and it had some red on it, it had alot more green but just red spots and patched all over, what is this.
Jesse
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07/26/06 05:27pm
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#908374
Alan Johnson
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Message To: Sargent_horvath In reference to Message Id: 907054
Dark Colours??
Jesse
you are most likely to see many more colors as the days get ever closer to egg laying day
AJ
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07/27/06 11:15am
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