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 #1719024


HENRYANDROSEY
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 Enclosure of Henry and Rosie (criticism welcome)

They have been in a 93x38x58cm tank, for nearly two years now and seem to have alot of room to move around.

i also have a tank for the female set up because she most likely to be gravid at the moment.

i haven’t got any pics added yet because i don’t know how to add them. can anyone please tell me how?



04/28/08  03:13pm

 #1719049


HENRYANDROSEY
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   Message To: HENRYANDROSEY   In reference to Message Id: 1719024


 Enclosure of Henry and Rosie (criticism welcome)

these are the pics





04/28/08  03:33pm

 #1719160


Marg
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   Message To: HENRYANDROSEY   In reference to Message Id: 1719049


 Enclosure of Henry and Rosie (criticism welcome)

Hard to tell from these pics... they ae rather small

You can crop them, or make them bigger, or whatever in the paint program on your computer...

If you have the originals from this collage... it would be easier to see them seperately :o)

Or take new pics and post them....

* * HOW TO POST PICTURES...
04/28/08  04:47pm

 #1720116


HENRYANDROSEY
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   Message To: Marg   In reference to Message Id: 1719160


 Enclosure of Henry and Rosie (criticism welcome)

this is the best pictue i have of my viv’.



i like this pic, i just added it because it looks intresting and unusual.



Critism, Advice for improvements Welcome!
04/29/08  02:53pm

 #1720771


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   Message To: HENRYANDROSEY   In reference to Message Id: 1720116


 Enclosure of Henry and Rosie (criticism welcome)

What are your temps in your cage.
04/29/08  11:13pm

 #1720868


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   Message To: HENRYANDROSEY   In reference to Message Id: 1719024


 Enclosure of Henry and Rosie (criticism welcome)

Quote:

They have been in a 93x38x58cm tank, for nearly two years now and seem to have alot of room to move around.



Are you housing them together? That can cause problems.
But I suppose since it’s been two years it’s a little late to say that.

You still might want to keep that in mind though.



04/30/08  02:59am

 #1720912


HENRYANDROSEY
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   Message To: Hissyfit   In reference to Message Id: 1720868


 Enclosure of Henry and Rosie (criticism welcome)

my temps are around 30 degrees cent + or - 2. and i will keep it in mind that i house 2 snakes together, one male and one female. i know this can sometimes cause problems, but i have had no major problems. and they have breed this year as well, and i said i wasn’t going to. it just happened lol. its there first clutch, so hopefullly, ill get some baby snakes.

ill double check my temps today.



04/30/08  05:48am

 #1720925


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   Message To: HENRYANDROSEY   In reference to Message Id: 1720912


 Enclosure of Henry and Rosie (criticism welcome)

30 degrees +/- 2 is too warm. That’s 86 Fahrenheit. You need the cool end not above 80 (26.5ish) and preferably more like 75 (24). The warm end can be 86 but it’s a little warm - I’d aim for not above 85 (29.5).

I still think you shouldn’t house them together. They may well hibernate together in the wild but this is probably because there is a lack of suitable places - or possibly they do it for warmth. In captivity we should aim to provide as little stress as possible. I, too, experienced my first episode of breeding from cohousing - the store I bought the snakes from said you could keep them together, and on further reading it seemed that they would not breed unless brumated. At least I learned from my mistake and have not housed a male and female together since - in fact I wouldn’t now cohouse two females or two males together either. I’ve become more cautious with more experience - as people often do.

If you put your male and female back together when she has laid her eggs, she will become gravid again and this could put a lot of strain on her, especially in her first year breeding. I think you should keep them separately permanently apart from putting them together for a day or so for breeding.
04/30/08  06:35am

 #1720930


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   Message To: Jessica71   In reference to Message Id: 1720925


 Enclosure of Henry and Rosie (criticism welcome)

Just to clarify that a bit more - some experienced breeders keep a few male snakes together or a few female snakes together, once they know their characters well enough - or both. But no sensible breeder keeps an adult female and an adult male together apart from very temporarily for mating. They will just keep breeding, it will stress the female out and it’s unkind. On other forums you would be absolutely slated for this - this forum is a lot more moderate, partly because there are a lot of beginners on it - having said that I like the friendliness of this forum. Read any good corn book or ask any experienced breeder and they will tell you this.

Also, from personal experience, I can tell you that sometimes when two snakes which are apparently "happy" together are separated, you find that the less confident one becomes more confident. I take that as evidence of their being happier housed separately. There are also reports of snakes which apparently "like" being housed together and when separated, go off their food. But in general these reports are very rare and the risks will always outweigh the benefits in housing an adult male and female together permanently.
04/30/08  07:01am

 #1721052


HENRYANDROSEY
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   Message To: Jessica71   In reference to Message Id: 1720930


 Enclosure of Henry and Rosie (criticism welcome)

well, when i separated the two of them it was as if they want to be together, also as the male is nearly twice the size, which might be for security. i understand your opinion, but i think that in this case they are suited better together. Maybe this is the case sometimes. i mean you might have a had a bit of bad luck in that one experience and therefore haven’t had housed any together since. i don’t know if that is the case. but if anything goes horribly wrong, and i mean horribly, then i will do the same, but until that day i will house them together. and I’m not being stubborn, but i would prefer to earn form personal experience, just like you did. this does NOT mean that i will attempt to make them up happy, stressed, etc. and thank you for your opinion i appreciate it.

so what do you think of my cage layout?

p.s. the temp is a steady 28 degrees C in the Viv’.

in the incubator which i got yesterday, the humidity is 90% and the temp is 24-26 degrees C. is this OK?

BTW she laid 12 eggs.
04/30/08  11:03am

 #1721121


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   Message To: HENRYANDROSEY   In reference to Message Id: 1721052


 Enclosure of Henry and Rosie (criticism welcome)

I understand the feeling of wanting to learn from experience because I often feel like that myself. Actually, you do come across as a bit stubborn - and I have a tendency to be like that too, so I recognise it in other people. I think your setup is not bad, but I agree that that hide should be moved from high up in the cage (you didn’t acknowledge two people pointing that out in your other post). As for my having learnt from a bad experience, it was no worse than your experience - it’s just that at that point, after doing some research, I decided not to do it any more. You have not yet reached that point. I just think perhaps you need to do a little more reading and thinking - Kathy Love’s cornsnake manual would answer a lot of the questions you’re asking, for instance. Yes, 24-26 degrees and 90% humidity is ok for the eggs, although you might want to turn it up a little to 28. Have you got a thermostat? What did you do for an incubator in the end? As for feeding after egg laying, feed small items at first - try a couple of fuzzies tomorrow. She may or may not take them, and may then not eat until after she’s had her post lay shed, but if she will, it’s ok to offer. Build up gradually back to normal sized items over a few feeds.
04/30/08  12:37pm

 #1721199


HENRYANDROSEY
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   Message To: Jessica71   In reference to Message Id: 1721121


 Enclosure of Henry and Rosie (criticism welcome)

thanks for the advice.

i have got a Styrofoam box, or however you spell it. I have got a thermometer inside the incubator and have a type of thermostat, but it isn’t a digital one. Also, in my egg box, i have a hydrometer, which is measuring just under 90% humidity.

with my Thermometer inside the incubator is now reading 28 degrees C. Umm... just a little question, does your incubator, tend to drop in temp. overnight, by 2or 3 degrees C?

p.s. where should i put that hide and where can i get some expanding foam filler from?
04/30/08  02:47pm

 #1721202


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   Message To: Jessica71   In reference to Message Id: 1721121


 Enclosure of Henry and Rosie (criticism welcome)

Thxs Jessic, just to let you know she has laid all 12 and has been fed 2 fuzzies today? should i feed her every 4-5 days or weekly?
04/30/08  02:49pm

 #1721214


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   Message To: Jessica71   In reference to Message Id: 1721121


 Enclosure of Henry and Rosie (criticism welcome)

As some of the eggs look slightly yellow, are they still OK, or is it because originally i didn’t have enough humidity, because if it does i have increased it to 90% now. so if it does might they turn back white?


As they are yellow should i put them in a separate container, as they might be dud? i was reading in an another forum that you shouldn’t cancel out any yellow ones, because they can sometimes hatch.

if anyone could give me any advice on improving colour etc, please let me now.

p.s. they are in a plastic tub with between 10 -15 hole sin the sides, i think, probably ten, and are mostly covered with vermiculite, until it is just covering all the eggs. then i have put about 1cm of sphagnum moss on top.
04/30/08  03:02pm

 #1721333


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   Message To: HENRYANDROSEY   In reference to Message Id: 1721214


 Enclosure of Henry and Rosie (criticism welcome)

About the hide - can you fit it in on the "ground floor"? Also, I’m not quite sure what you mean by expanding foam filler - sorry.

Your incubator setup sounds good. Don’t worry about temperature dropping slightly at night - this would naturally happen in the wild and there’s some evidence to show that healthier hatchlings result if there’s a slight variation in temperature.

With your female, you could try feeding her again in 4-5 days if she’ll take it - she may not as she’ll be soon shedding, in about a week. There’s no worry about over feeding when building up a female after egg laying - as long as she’s having small, easy to digest items at present, you can feed more often than you would usually. That’s a good sign that she’s had two fuzzies already - looks like she’ll recover well. Also, she’s definitely finished, has she? It’s always good to routinely check there are no retained eggs - although it sounds as though she’s fine.

Could you post a picture of the eggs? If some are turning slightly yellow they might be duds, as you say. Duds are often smaller than fertile eggs as well, and sometimes look "wetter". They don’t need to be in a separate container - fertile eggs are amazingly resistant to mould. Keep an eye on these yellowish ones - if they start moulding, they’re probably duds, but as you say some very weird looking eggs hatch sometimes so there’s no harm in continuing to incubate them anyway.
04/30/08  05:11pm

 #1721876


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   Message To: Jessica71   In reference to Message Id: 1721333


 Enclosure of Henry and Rosie (criticism welcome)

OK thanks Jessica, ill try and take a pic this afternoon, hopefully.
05/01/08  05:56am

 #1723193


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   Message To: Jessica71   In reference to Message Id: 1721333


 Enclosure of Henry and Rosie (criticism welcome)

The top two pictures show the happy snakes living together in one of their environments. Rosie is a Anerythrisitc corn and is about 4.5’ and weight just over 400g, not bad for a 2.5 yr old girl. Whilst Henry (the bigger) is a Motley corn. He is nearly 5’ at the age of 3 years and weighs 700g. See if you can spot the ’h’ shapes.




These are the eggs they produced in their first year of breeding. There are 12, not sure if all will hatch though :(, not all have hardened and grown :(

p.s. i don’t mean for her to get pregnant it just happened.

Thanks for looking, Andrew



05/02/08  01:17pm

 #1723407


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   Message To: HENRYANDROSEY   In reference to Message Id: 1723193


 Enclosure of Henry and Rosie (criticism welcome)

Those look like two normal corns to me. Certainly neither of them is anerythristic. This is an anerythristic corn. link Where did you get the idea that either of them was an anery?

Neither of them look like motleys to me either, although I’d need a more close up photo to be sure. If they both have checkered bellies, neither of them is motley. As I say, to me those are two normal corns.

This enclosure looks very small to me.
05/02/08  05:16pm

 #1723409


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   Message To: HENRYANDROSEY   In reference to Message Id: 1723193


 Enclosure of Henry and Rosie (criticism welcome)

As for the eggs, four or possibly five look fertile - I would say the rest are infertile.
05/02/08  05:18pm

 #1723574


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   Message To: Jessica71   In reference to Message Id: 1723409


 Enclosure of Henry and Rosie (criticism welcome)

Sorry, but i agree on every single thing jessica said...Jacob
05/02/08  08:16pm


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