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#1728127
Link24
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 Really need to look every thing ok what ya think
what does everyone think of my cage
and heres storm
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05/07/08 02:19pm
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#1728166
Yasha
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Message To: Link24 In reference to Message Id: 1728127
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Oh boy.. Okay first of all if you want us to approve your set up you should have posted your temps and humidty levels, since those are most important. Also do you have a UTH or is that red light your snakes only source of heat?
If it is you need to get a good desert grade UTH and a thermostat/dimmer switch to control the temp and put it under the tank in one corner of the tank. I dont’ know how much the light is giving off, but Corns are nocturnal so the light is doing little good to him, and they don’t like to bask in the sun like diurnal reptiles. They prefer to slink out at dusk or just after the sun has gone down, to lay on the sun heated road and forest floor patches heated by the sun. The UTH simulates this effect basically, since it is a hot spot on the ground they can lay on, in the dark, and (preferably) under a hide so they feel secrure also. No snake wants to lay out in the open, they only do it in the wild because they have no other alternative where they can feel secure and get the heat they need.
If that is their only stress it’s okay, but captive reptiles have higher stress levels then wild snakes because they are on display in a glass box, and so forcing the snake to bask is not helping the stress levels at all.
Your set up is...sparce. You have no hides (that rock pile does not count as a hide and even if it did you would still need 1 more minimum) on the hot side or on the cool side. These can come from pet stores, or can be simple halved toilet paper rolls. Baby snakes LOVE halved toilet paper rolls. ^_^ When picking a hide to use, note that it should be just barely bigger than your snake. They love to feel the hide on all sides of their body and so if you get one that is a little big, don’t be afraid to plop it down over a little pile of aspen, so the snake can bury into it. He’ll love it!
That is another thing. You snake is very young, and you have no plants at all in it’s tank. The general rule of thumb with babies corns is that, if you can see them, your tank needs work. No baby snake will parade itself out in front of us unless it has no other choice because they are prey to EVERYTHING in the wild. They prefer to hide behind things on their way to whereever they are going.
Providing lots of visual barriers, plants etc. including covering three sides (or at least the back) of the tank with paper, or aquarium backing helps them to feel secure when they are traveling to thermoregulate. Not doing so can seriously stress your baby snake to the point where it may not eat, or worse, it will be so scared to move, that it will die of heat exhaustion or freezing because it didn’t want to chance moving out in the open.
For my babies I always have four hides, one in each corner of the tank (each with a plant draped over them to partially cover the entrance and to make the tank look nice), as well as a natural hide made of a rock, a branch, some vines and their water dish in the center of the tank so that when traveling they have very little open space to cross.
Even having a better substrate such as shredded aspen bedding, would help your little guy out, because they can bury themselves into it and tunnel to wherever they need to go, completely out of sight. From what I see you are using repti-bark, and for corns that is a no-no, since it can be hard on their skin and has been know to be a prime location for mites and other parasites to hide. Never beleive what they pet store or the bag tells you, that’s another rule....
And...other than that I guess I pretty much have you covered. Improve those few things and your snake should have a happy long life! ^^_ good luck!
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05/07/08 03:05pm
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#1728167
Yasha
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Message To: Yasha In reference to Message Id: 1728166
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*slaps head* I just saw the amrgarine container on the not side of the tank...So you do have 1 hide, though it is WAAAY to big for that little guy. sorry about that!
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05/07/08 03:07pm
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#1728171
HENRYANDROSEY
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Message To: Link24 In reference to Message Id: 1728127
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those rocks seem to be a bit dangerous, i had the same problem, or a they glued together, (using non-toxic glue.) Because as the snake gets bigger it will attempt at pushing it for a place to hide, then they might fall. if they push so much that it might fall even when the snake is not in between the rocks, and it might that the snake is underneath it. i am only thinking of your snake, so don’t take this a criticism but advice. My main advice, is remove or find a suitable way of support the rocks, OK
Andrew
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05/07/08 03:09pm
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#1728208
Link24
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Message To: Yasha In reference to Message Id: 1728167
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I do respect what you say but aspen is not good it causes problems that comes straight from my vets mouth and he like hiding under the bark my older snake loves it he loves the attention out in the open and he has always had that lighting the pet store I go to is very good has a true vet working there they take excellent care of there reptiles no sand nothing so my oldest has grew up just fine like that in fact when i come around my oldest snake Binky’s cage she always looks up at me and wants out the lighting i use is right the pet store I go to gave me everything I need he is a vet and know alot about reptiles that’s all he sees so i did a good job with my oldest snake he is big and healthy and I am doing the same with this one I don’t want it to be shy and jumpy and he won’t because I am doing everything as I did with my other one and she is so tame so sweet and is not afraid of me at all and my storm will be that way to I am going to change that hide it’s not dark enough in there see my oldest has a hide and it’s dark in there so that’s where she goes if she wants it dark and if she wants it light she will sit out in the open so I have never heard of snakes totally like darkness in the wild they have a choice go in there hole where it is dark or go up in the light and i do the same with mine and as for the Uth they don’t always need it my temps are fine 80 85 so thanks for your help
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05/07/08 03:33pm
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#1728213
Link24
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Message To: HENRYANDROSEY In reference to Message Id: 1728171
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the rocks are glued i thought of that too thanks
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05/07/08 03:36pm
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#1728223
Link24
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Message To: Link24 In reference to Message Id: 1728208
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as for mites and parasites i have used it for over a year and mine has never had mites or parasites the pet store I go to is not one of those big stores I totally trust this place they have a true vet there that only knows about reptiles I have had no problem with bark but with aspen my vet says he has seen alot of problems with that
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05/07/08 03:44pm
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#1728240
Link24
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Message To: Link24 In reference to Message Id: 1728208
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this is binky eating
this is storm eating
this is binky
this is storm my baby
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05/07/08 03:56pm
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#1728255
Marg
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Message To: Link24 In reference to Message Id: 1728240
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Ack!!! I can’t even Read this... what happened to using PUNCTUATION?????
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05/07/08 04:06pm
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#1728287
Link24
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Message To: Marg In reference to Message Id: 1728255
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why do I haveti use punctuations it can still be read
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05/07/08 04:23pm
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#1728307
Link24
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Message To: Marg In reference to Message Id: 1728255
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so what if it doesn’t have punctuation it can still be read
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05/07/08 04:40pm
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#1728471
Corny221
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Message To: Link24 In reference to Message Id: 1728307
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coming straight from my vets mouth, aspen is the absolute best thing for corn snakes
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05/07/08 06:49pm
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#1728500
Link24
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Message To: Corny221 In reference to Message Id: 1728471
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no it’s not I Don’t know what vet you talked to but I did my research i have called more then 5 vets I have had my snake almost 1 year and 6 months never has threw up it’s food never has refused a meal very healthy and aspen can cause resperatory infections and other things but we all have our own point of views it doesn’t mean ur right it doesn’t mean i am but I have been raising them this way with out a problem I have read things on here about people having mites and they are useing aspen I have never had mites so I must being doing everything right why don’t everyone look it up more research it more call different vets like I did BUT I DId do alot of research
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05/07/08 07:21pm
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#1728566
Sairhead21
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Message To: Link24 In reference to Message Id: 1728500
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I’m sorry but I agree with everyone else. Your enclosure needs work. Why post this if you aren’t going to take advice? Did you call 5 reptile vets who specialize in corns?
Also, how do you know your corn "likes attention"? Is it because she’s always out in the open? That could easily be explained by the light. If you don’t have a UTH, she has to go to the middle of the tank (where there are no hides) to get heat. What other research did you do besides calling a few random vets? Did you read any books?
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05/07/08 08:07pm
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#1728661
XAvaritia
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Message To: Sairhead21 In reference to Message Id: 1728566
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I also have to agree with everyone else on this--aspen bedding is the best recommendation for corn snakes. Reptibark won’t cause too much of a health problem but everyone is just warning you about possible health problems. The only possible problem with aspen I can think of is the snake having impacted bowels because the person didn’t remove the snake from the tank during feeding time.
It also does need either paper covered on three sides or some plastic (safe!) plants to make sure the snake feels more secure. A stressed out snake means big trouble. The hide, like it was said previously, may be a little too big for a baby snake of that size, maybe you can stick crumpled newspaper in it if you don’t have another one.
Also, just because your first snake turned out tame, doesn’t mean that by doing the same with the second, it’ll also be the same. Snakes, like people and all other manners of creatures, are BORN with certain personality dispositions and won’t change it just because you are raising it a certain way.
We have no way to confirm whether you really did call five vets, but what we can tell you is the combined research that everyone has done before and direct you to sites all over the internet. I would do a google search on corn snake care to double check. If a reputable site does say what you are doing is correct, then by all means, share it with us. Otherwise, it’s just hearsay.
Quite frankly, I don’t understand what makes your vet any more reputable than anyone else’s vet. The point is, even though your vet may say so, there are tons of sites and information out there, including from very well known breeders that say otherwise. People make mistakes, it’s not impossible.
Punctuation makes sure we read "A panda goes to a resturaunt, eats shoots and leaves." instead of "A panda goes to a resturaunt, eats, shoots, and leaves." Having punctuation, even commas, makes sure what you type won’t be misread depending on its order.
If you are extremely confident in what you are doing, by all means, keep going, but the point of asking for help is being open to opinions. When people on this site give you advice and tell you what you’re doing could be wrong, it’s not an attack on your personality or anything and I don’t see why you have to take it so personally. Everyone here wants the best for the animals, that’s why we have them and take such meticulous care of them.
Anyway, no matter how much research a person does, there is always more tips and ideas and information to be learned, even with corn snakes.
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05/07/08 08:54pm
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#1728743
Sw1c
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Message To: XAvaritia In reference to Message Id: 1728661
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ok the light thing being an issue wrong. corn snakes dont see the red lights liek w do. however the temp myay not be right as for uth i have gone through 5 and not one worked so i doint use. i use ceramic heater that fits intot he light socket. aspen is not a bad substrate. you may have been thinking pine or cedar(or vet may have) those can cause troubles because in wild the wind blows the chemical that makes the smell around. in tank it sits and settles and can cause trouble. i personally use eco-earth/bed a beast. ive had no issues with it at all.
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05/07/08 09:58pm
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#1728760
Link24
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Message To: XAvaritia In reference to Message Id: 1728661
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i did go to google and searched it and it said what I use is good one and as for aspen some of it says good somes says not good I prefer bark and my baby is healthyshe eats every week has never refused she’s not nervous being out in my living room with us I did call 5 vets I go to a very good vet right now the Dr. specializes strictly reptiles he does more then that he study’s them how they live everything he is really good so I know what I am doing is right I plan on getting a different hide but a snake in the wild didn’t live with aspen they lived with bark and dirt and they lived with dark and light and around people and not around them I take good care of my snakes i care for them very much I admit I had the wrong hide in there I wasn’t thinking also when I first got her she was skittish jumpy and now she is just fine knows me I spend alot of time holding her with all my reptiles I do I love them all so just because I don’t use aspen doesn’t mean I am wrong bark is good they lived with it not aspen. everyone has their own opion and how they have their reptiles but just because it is not like your doesn’t mean it is wrong.
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05/07/08 10:15pm
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#1728783
Link24
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Message To: XAvaritia In reference to Message Id: 1728661
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I never asked for help in the first place I was just showing everyone my set up i never asked if i was wrong or right all in all no one is wrong everyone does things different and bark is not bad you can get mites in aspen too I read it when I looked it up I also read that bark is good too and i also read that aspen is good but then in other places it said aspen is bad so I never asked for help was just showing my tank cause when it comes to my corn snakes I know how to take care of them and if they have a problem I go straight to the vet I don’t wait for answers so I am sorry if people here don’t like it you guys attact me i didn’t i was really proud of my set up one thing wrong i need a better hide but i can go to my other site bearded dragon community form and get treated with alot more respect and i do feed my snakes out side the cage because if I feed inside they can get cage aggressive my oldest snake binky knows when it is feeding day and feeding time I feed her same day same time same with storm but storm don’t know yet like binky so I am gonna continue the way i am cause I like it it’s normal for them
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05/07/08 10:39pm
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#1728788
Sw1c
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Message To: Link24 In reference to Message Id: 1728783
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no offence link, but you do need more cover for them, and aspen allows for easier burrowing, and when buy asen the proper companies actually us a chemical that doesnt hurt reptiles to kill any mites.
as for not askign for help your topic was "Really need to look every thing OK what ya think" they told you what they think. also didnt see hydrometer or the thermometers to make sure cool and warm sides right temps and humidity proper.
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05/07/08 10:43pm
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#1728819
Link24
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Message To: Sw1c In reference to Message Id: 1728743
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thank you sw1c my temps are 80 85 i know about pine or cedar i use bark and everyone thinks it’s wrong yea i know i need a new hide
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05/07/08 11:05pm
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#1728837
Link24
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Message To: Sw1c In reference to Message Id: 1728788
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yea a lot more bark I will be getting more tomorrow ran out I do get it I am not done with my cage I need a better hide and more bark mine has no problem hiding under the bark but i just need more of it as for asking yea i guess that’s what i said but i didn’t mean was it OK but I’m sorry i said it wrong I will not change the bark and put more bark in it and get a better hide and i plan on putting a black material around it with Velcro around it to hold it up to make it look more dark and a back ground
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05/07/08 11:20pm
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#1728841
Danny S
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Message To: Link24 In reference to Message Id: 1728837
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huh?
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05/07/08 11:23pm
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#1728865
Scaly
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Message To: Link24 In reference to Message Id: 1728837
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I agree with everyone, why would you post this asking what everyone thought, just to try and argue with all the people telling you what they think? Also, I’m curious why would you ever call all these supposed vets you say you’ve talked to unless you already had a problem, even then you would have gotten the receptionist or maby a vet tech on the phone, the vet would have been way to busy to talk to someone on the phone whom wasn’t even a client of theirs, and didn’t even have a pet with an issue. I’m sorry but I think that isn’t true, you might have talked to that first one who gave you bad advice, or perhaps you didn’t listen closely and pay attention to their advice, just like your doing here.
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05/07/08 11:42pm
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#1728869
Link24
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Message To: Danny S In reference to Message Id: 1728841
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for get the last post i was being disturbed how I was trying to say i am putting more bark in there I know I don’t have enough i ran out my snakes don’t have a problem hiding under the bark and I am getting another hide and i didn’t think about the way I have asked (Really need to look every thing OK what ya) OK I am sorry for that but i know bark is not wrong i have always used it I was mainly trying to show everyone I plan on putting Velcro around the top and putting this black material around the cage making it look darker
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05/07/08 11:44pm
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#1728889
Link24
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Message To: Scaly In reference to Message Id: 1728865
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scaly i am not arguing and as for my vet he does answer the phone to me or calls me back i have been using him since i got my first snake Binky and I was just saying sorry about my title i didn’t’t realize i asked if everything was OK I didn’t’t mean it that way i was showing everyone what I have done so far and then everyone was saying my lighting was wrong which it is not bark isn’t’t good well I believe it better then aspen they lived with bark and dirt not Aspen and my vet wrong u are very wrong i have been seeing him for 1 year and 3 months with Binky then came my leopard gecko which my daughters friend stole from me then came spike and now storm so me and my vet it’s not like any vet I know him i call him when i want home or work so you really should be caring of accusing me of lieing and just wanting to argue I said I was sorry i didn’t’t realize what i have said
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05/08/08 12:02am
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#1728905
Link24
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Message To: Link24 In reference to Message Id: 1728889
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I JUST WANNA SAY i am sorry I did ask I didn’t mean to I was just trying to show everyone what I have done so far and as for temps I use a gun to check it I really didn’t realize I asked what you guys thought untils it was brung up so sorry I was just showing you I am afraid of aspin I have heard to much stuff about it as for my vet we are like friends in a way I have been seeing him for along time and he sees my babys when I call I am not the only one there are others he talks to and sees so I am sorry again I didn’t mean to argue I love this site
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05/08/08 12:29am
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#1728934
Scaly
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Message To: Link24 In reference to Message Id: 1728905
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Link 24, tell me what vet you see, I also live in California. If your Binky was thriving so well as you first claimed, then why would you have been seeing a vet with it for the last year and 3 months??? You have to admit it doesn’t make any sense or sound very believable, and if this vet is so good, then why did you have to call all those others?
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05/08/08 01:48am
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#1728984
Marg
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Message To: Scaly In reference to Message Id: 1728934
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Using Punctuation makes it easier to deturmine the End of a sentance, and the begining of the next.
I am not going to address any of the issues.
I have told Link in the first place, a Long time ago,
when he got the First snake, that they need "cover",
and everything else he Needs to get, but obviously
he does not Listen.
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05/08/08 06:37am
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#1728995
Luvlizards
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Message To: Marg In reference to Message Id: 1728984
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I think it looks nice; and I like how the rocks are glued together, and that you used roundish rocks instead of flat . . . it gives it an interesting look, one that your snake clearly finds satisfactory from what I could see of your pics you posted in the BDcommunity forum . . . don’t let people’s comment bother you . . . I know it seems like they are ganging up on you, but they all just really love snakes and want to point out anything that could be potentially harmful in their eyes . . . people give advice because they care :) Your snakes are beautiful, by the way.
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05/08/08 06:56am
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#1729082
Link24
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Message To: Luvlizards In reference to Message Id: 1728995
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thank you luv very much I Am not done with it I know I need 2 more hides and I love snakes too but I don’t feel using bark is bad but i am no where near done with her cage I have said sorry to everyone cause I really meant to show everyone what I have done but I did ask is everything ok and I didn’t catch that so I am sorry everybody as for my vet no I have never had to take binky cause of sick I bring her in for check ups testing her ppop make sure no parasites the name is emergencey pets they take in emergency’s and they have a reptile dr in there that sees reptiles so thats how i know him met through a friend I care for my snake very much my older snake has 2 hide a branch I just got this snake handed to me so I am not done with it thanks luv very much I just not use to being ganged up on the other forum I go to for beardy’s they help with out jumping all over people they are very nice about it, there are nicer ways to help but I did help argue here I know everyone was trying to help but bark is not bad and I will continue to use it it looks natural the wild didn’t live with aspen but this is my choice and everyone should not jump all over me because I use bark sorry again
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05/08/08 09:24am
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