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#1770672

Janyce
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2 corn together?

Could i put 2 corns in the cage?, i know that if i did they would have to be about the same size, and have big cage.

06/23/08 01:27pm

#1770713

Mrs. froggie
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Message To: Janyce In reference to Message Id: 1770672

2 corn together?

I was wondering that too. I have no clue though. Some one please answer.

06/23/08 01:57pm

#1770731

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Message To: Mrs. froggie In reference to Message Id: 1770713

2 corn together?

Its highly reccemended that you DON’T put two corns in a cage together. There are many reasons and here are a few:
-They could become cannibalistic.
-It could lead to unwanted clutches of eggs if they are of the opposite gender.
-It can stress the snakes out because Corn Snakes are pretty much solitary creatures except for breeding purposes.
-If you feed them in the cage you won’t know for sure if one snake has eaten or not.
-If health problems surface you may not notice and if one snake becomes sick and they share the same cage then they will likely both become ill.

Here are some that I can think of off the top of my head. There might be others. Its a risk to your animals health to put them together. Although some people have put snakes together and it has been successful, I would never risk the health of my animal to save space.

Allyson

06/23/08 02:07pm

#1770737

S*A*M
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Message To: Janyce In reference to Message Id: 1770672

2 corn together?

i just bumbed up the htread i started ages ago (yes i had a name change since then)

06/23/08 02:11pm

#1771646

RjAmelcorn
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Message To: S*A*M In reference to Message Id: 1770737

2 corn together?

You can put corns together, Just keep a close eye on them.
Feeding is the only time it comes dodgy. feed both corns at different times out side of the enclosure.

it is best to have multiple hides around each end of the enclosure so corns are not sitting on top of each other.
its best to house corns that r the same age and size together or one may be squashed by accident.

there is a little section in "Corn Snakes The comprehensive owners guide-Kathy love" this can give you a bit more info.

Hope it goes well if ur planning to house 2 corns together.

My Corns Angel, JD & Sparky

06/24/08 06:41am

#1771736

Bekers71
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Message To: RjAmelcorn In reference to Message Id: 1771646

2 corn together?

This topic was discussed on another forum I belong to. And I think most of us came to this conclusion--

If you want to house your snakes together, it’s up to you. Will some thing bad happen? Probably not. But can some thing happen? Yes Even if you have a 5% chance that some thing can go wrong are you willing to take that risk? I’ve read numerous post lately of people thinking they had 2 males or 2 females housed together, to find eggs. Some almost losing the female because she was too young. Others have told of one snake stop eating and the other eating great. And list goes on. It’s pretty simple really. Corns don’t stay together in the wild. They only seek each other out for breeding then go on their way.

Only you can make the decision to house them apart or together. I personally wouldn’t risk the health of my animal even if I knew it was only a 5% chance. There are plenty of people that have success with co-housing and plenty that don’t.

06/24/08 10:12am

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Message To: Bekers71 In reference to Message Id: 1771736

2 corn together?

It’s not safe if one is sick you won’t know which one and the other one can catch it so really I wouldn’t do it snakes don’t really like other snakes

06/24/08 02:18pm

#1801122

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Message To: Link24 In reference to Message Id: 1772022

2 corn together?

I have 3 corn snakes together and they are quite fine. Feeding SHOULD NEVER be done in the cage. we take the snakes out and place them into separate large paper bags (the kind you get from the grocery store) and we feed them in there. I have to admit the unexpected eggs happen (Our first clutch ever just hatched today) but as long as you have a good cage and you take care of them properly most likely nothing bad will happen.

07/18/08 09:02pm

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Sra
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Message To: Travinator121611 In reference to Message Id: 1801122

2 corn together?

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I have 3 corn snakes together and they are quite fine. Feeding SHOULD NEVER be done in the cage. we take the snakes out and place them into separate large paper bags (the kind you get from the grocery store) and we feed them in there. I have to admit the unexpected eggs happen (Our first clutch ever just hatched today) but as long as you have a good cage and you take care of them properly most likely nothing bad will happen.

Now I remember why I stopped giving advice on these forums...

07/18/08 10:23pm

#1802078

ILoveGreen
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Message To: Sra In reference to Message Id: 1801239

2 corn together?

I see what you mean sra.

I hate when someone chims in ands says "Oh look I’m doinf it and their all fine.......BUT....".

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I have to admit the unexpected eggs happen (Our first clutch ever just hatched today) but as long as you have a good cage and you take care of them properly most likely nothing bad will happen.

See.....what if the female was too young and died from egg binding from being bred too early? Would you seperate them then? What if the female has a male try to breed with her again right after laying and it stresses her out too much and she gets sick? These are all things to take to heart.........and think if you truely care what happens to your corns...they can’t tell you when somethings wrong.

I keep my 2 adults in seperate 29 gallons. I have 5 yearlings in 7 gallon critter keepers and 10 babies in shoebox sized tubs.

I got my first clutch last year(7/07) because I thought I would but the 2 together(same tank) for some pictures and BAM! Good for me that they were both of age and weight :)

07/19/08 04:48pm

#1802142

Corns Are Best
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Message To: ILoveGreen In reference to Message Id: 1802078

2 corn together?

I keep my Carolina Corn with my Bloodred Corn and no problems.

But I do take them out one at the time and feed them apart in a plastic container, in case the one who isn’t feeding tries to munch on the others food, which can lead to cannibalism.

Just use common sense, and in my experience in pets generally, do not take everything dictated in books you buy too literally, as they are just guides and nothing more than that. (useful information allot of the time, but not all of the times)

07/19/08 05:30pm

#1802278

Herpnut
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Message To: Corns Are Best In reference to Message Id: 1802142

2 corn together?

Me too Sra! Just wait until one snake is sick (if they know it’s sick) and they dont know which one is the sick one with irregular feces or bleeding. Then they pay double everything because once one is sick it’s bound to spread to the other. We all learn form mistakes. But dont come crying to us when one of your snakes are sick and you dont know which. We already did all we could by telling you not to house together.(Well most of us) Also, this is not just to the OP, its to everyone keeping corns together.
Good luck which ever route you choose.

07/19/08 07:14pm

#1802509

ILoveGreen
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Message To: Herpnut In reference to Message Id: 1802278

2 corn together?

Usually the person who housed 2 or more snakes together...that ends up with them sick is to embarrassed to come back here and tell us...because they know we said it was a bad idea.

07/19/08 10:15pm

#1803284

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Message To: Janyce In reference to Message Id: 1770672

2 corn together?

I have 3 corns in a tank together and they do fine. What I was told by breeders is that you can keep them together if they’re together from hatchlings (which all 3 of mine have been) and to feed them in feeder tanks, which I also do. Each snake has their own feeding tank and I tend to keep them in the tank for 5-10 minutes after they eat so they can calm down and get out of eating mode. I have 4 hides in the tank, but all three tend to curl up together in the same hide.

07/20/08 05:58pm

#1803300

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Message To: Silvrrose In reference to Message Id: 1803284

2 corn together?

Curling up together is known as a sign of fighting for dominance of that hide in a peaceful manner.

07/20/08 06:08pm

#1806402

Corns Are Best
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Message To: Herpnut In reference to Message Id: 1803300

2 corn together?

Since when was there such a thing as a snake psychotherapist?

Some of you do talk a load of nonsense don’t you?

I live in the UK, and near enough all our reptiles are NOT wild caught, but domestic breed.

If you quarantine any new comers, as the same for any pet, you should not have a problem should you now.

You might as well not keep fish together, or dogs, or rodents or any pets for a matter of fact, just in case one might get ill.

We all might as well not even come into contact with any other human beings in case we get a cold or something.

Think about what you are about to say, before you try to make a mockery out of somebody trying to help somebody who asked for help, you plonker.

07/23/08 05:03pm

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Message To: Corns Are Best In reference to Message Id: 1806402

2 corn together?

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You might as well not keep fish together, or dogs, or rodents or any pets for a matter of fact, just in case one might get ill.

The point is that males will fight to be "in charge". When they curl up together in a hide...it’s likely that the more dominate snake is on top of the pile...the other will be stressed by him! Also when the snakes get alittle older a unknown female could get egg bound by having been bred too early.....or even die from it.

Those are good enough reasons for me :)

07/24/08 11:45am

#1807344

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Message To: Corns Are Best In reference to Message Id: 1806402

2 corn together?

I have 22 snakes .. and I have 22 enclosures. It’s been my experience that people who keep their snakes together just don’t want to spring for the extra $30 it takes to run to Walmart and purchase an aquarium or the $6 to purchase an appropriately sized tub.
Snakes are solitary animals... so comparing them to "keeping rodents or dogs or cats together" is like comparing apples to oranges. Rodents do better while living in colonies... a lone rat will NOT fair well... they are healthier and happier when they live with other rodents. (I also have quite a few rats and mice...so I speak from knowledge and experience) Snakes on the other hand are NOT social animals... that is why they are able to take care of themselves right out of the egg... or in some cases..from live birth. They do not need or want their mothers. They prefer to be alone...ever notice that they are in their hide most of the time??????
Now to answer the question about keeping them together... I was transferring my small snakes from their tubs to larger enclosures last night...and it was SO tempting to put my male and female Abbott’s line Okeetees together... but my common sense won and they are in separate containers. I mean seriously... unless you are going to sit there 24/7 how will you know which snake ate... which one had a regurgitation... which one shed ..which one pooped???? And unless you’ve just got money laying around with nothing to do with it.. I’d much rather pay 1 vet bill than 2... what happens if one gets mites... internal parasites... a RI? This isn’t rocket science people... just use common sense. If you have 2 snakes and can’t buy 2 enclosures.. for whatever reason then in my opinion... you really don’t need to have 2 snakes.

~smiles~

Susan

07/24/08 01:08pm

#1807389

Corns Are Best
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Message To: SusanC In reference to Message Id: 1807344

2 corn together?

Firstly, I keep them in a proper 4ft x 2ft x 2ft vivarium which cost £170 ( that’s about $340 to you yanks), so do not assume one is a cheap-skate, and secondly my 2 so-called experts, I have personally witnessed my bloodred sleeping on top my Carolina corn and at other times the Carolina sleeping above the Bloodred, so what you’re saying about the domination of one over the other, is a load of codswallop!

As to feeding, you feed them separately, like what an educated person would think of doing.

And finally, as to snake mites, you can only get them from other infected snakes. THE WORD WE USE IS ’QUARANTINE’. That’s right! If you buy a new snake, keep him or her separate until you’re 100% sure that it is clean and healthy.

I sometimes wander why I bother with such imbeciles!

07/24/08 02:05pm

#1807484

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Message To: Corns Are Best In reference to Message Id: 1807389

2 corn together?

I’ve noticed with my 3 that they’re always changing as to who’s on top (kinky) but, like I said, I was told that if they’re together from the time they’re little, which all mine have been, they’re just used to it. Naturally, they may be solitary animals, but, like all lifeforms, they can adapt to their surroundings if necessary. These three only know living together, they’ve never had a tank to themselves. I can see where putting two older, solitary animals suddenly together could cause problems, but I don’t see an issue if they’ve always been together and don’t know any different.

07/24/08 04:09pm

#1807531

Corns Are Best
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Message To: Silvrrose In reference to Message Id: 1807484

2 corn together?

Well said Silvrrose, there is always the exception to the rule. I am also informed that snake do not like to be touched on the head, but all mine (including my bull snake) enjoy nothing more than a good light head massage or their chin stroked.

I used to keep a parrot of which I trained to fly to a bin poo into it, by repeatedly placing him on the rim every time he moon walked (they do a type of moon walk when they are about to poo)

This is the difference of wild and domestic.

The same reason we no longer swing from trees, but write our opinions on a forum like this one.

Every creature can change with its surroundings and with re-education, as a domestic dog was once a wolf,
a snake is the same.

07/24/08 05:15pm

#1807579

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Message To: Corns Are Best In reference to Message Id: 1807531

2 corn together?

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I sometimes wander why I bother with such imbeciles!

Maybe you shouldn’t bother posting on this forum if all you can do is think your always right and insult other members for saying what works for them. I have 20 Corn Snakes right now all in their own "home". We are saying all the bad things that can happen because we have been into corns for a long time and have gathered all of our knowledge from experience we had ourselves or what we have read on other forums...many bad stories! :) Ya it can be fine....but why risk it. :)

How old are your snakes that you guys keep together? When their adults are you prepared for eggs or early breeding consciouses?

07/24/08 06:50pm

#1807710

Silvrrose
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Message To: ILoveGreen In reference to Message Id: 1807579

2 corn together?

Totally away from the topic, but 20 snakes! Egads, where do you find the time to feed them all? Feeding day is a big issue in my house and I only have 3! (big issue mainly because my 2 year old daughter HAS to watch them eat and I’m not allowed (per her instructions) to be near the tanks while they’re feeding, so, until the red and snow learn to stop eating the darn things butt first or learn to squeeze it first, I have to watch from a small distance. I really wish they’d learn to eat propertly. The albino squeezes them so hard she’s popped the guts out once or twice. Ew.) Anyway, that’s my ramble for the evening.

07/24/08 09:01pm

#1808459

Sra
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Message To: Silvrrose In reference to Message Id: 1807710

2 corn together?

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Naturally, they may be solitary animals, but, like all lifeforms, they can adapt to their surroundings if necessary.

You guys are so right!! Let me put my five foot Bredli in with my foot-long Nicaraguan Boa, hell, I’ll even throw in the rest of them, like my Ball Pythons, and my Rainbow Boa! They’ll adapt!! One of them has an RI, but the rest will adapt!

Come on. I can guarantee all of the posters on this thread going against the correct information have not been in this hobby for long. If you choose to be an idiot and throw your snakes in together, then that’s your business. But don’t get on here and actually tell people it’s okay. It’s not. It’s been proven over and over again that the downsides far outweigh the benefits of housing snakes together.

07/25/08 03:35pm

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Message To: Sra In reference to Message Id: 1808459

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07/25/08 05:16pm

#1808565

Silvrrose
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Message To: Sra In reference to Message Id: 1808459

2 corn together?

Then, Sra, I guess I should tell every breeder I know that they’re wrong in housing their snakes together, forget that they’ve been doing it for 15 years or more and make a living off of it. You know best, I suppose. And making assinie remarks like housing different species together just illiustrates your arrogance. Note the topic is housing 2 CORNS together (for clarification that means the same species.) And, if you’d read what I said, I said housing them together FROM THE TIME THAT THEY ARE BABIES. I can’t for the life of me understand why you refuse to note that detail. I never once said throw two adults used to being on their own together. Stop being such an arrogant twit and try actually reading what people are saying. You might actually learn something.

07/25/08 05:45pm

#1808575

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Message To: Corns Are Best In reference to Message Id: 1808532

2 corn together?

...(-)_(-) you guys need to cool down...wasnt there another thread that happened to be EXACTLY like this? I remember the conclusion being
THE DECISION IS UP TO THE OWNER BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN OPINIONS!!!!

SERIOUSLY!!! All you guys are achieving is bad feelings towards one another. We all know that there are good and bad conclusions to housing 2 snakes together. Its is ones buisness and NONE ELSES on what they do!!!

What you guys should be doing:

STOP TRYING TO BITE EACHOTHERS HEADS OFF THROUGH YOUR COMPUTERS AND GO BACK TO HELPING WITH PROBLEMS NOT STARTING THEM!!!!!!!!!!!

07/25/08 05:52pm

#1808613

RjAmelcorn
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Message To: Drag737 In reference to Message Id: 1808575

2 corn together?

wow, this forum has gone way out of control with this subject.

there is no harm putting corns together of the same species, age size etc,
just keep a close eye on them!!

07/25/08 06:31pm

#1809052

KiruSama
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Message To: RjAmelcorn In reference to Message Id: 1808613

2 corn together?

Sorry this is a little off topic but,

Sra,

What happen to those snake in the pictures? Is it a disease or something?

Thanks

07/26/08 12:40am

#1809091

Skyler, kai, pepper
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Message To: KiruSama In reference to Message Id: 1809052

2 corn together?

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I mean, if humans can have an abortion, I don’t think a snake would be such a big issue would it Sra you ’TWAT’

Wow sara you are suppose to sound like the un-educated 1? And no none of these people on this site are telling "porky pies" (cute name for a fat rat or something lol) about owning 20 snakes! It really isnt that hard especially if you plan on breeding!!! And please do not come at me with your english slang because i am not a "yank" (by the way that isn’t all americans) I know the meaning of the slang words you may choose to call me!

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What happen to those snake in the pictures? Is it a disease or something?

If these are the same pics I have seen MANY times they are snakes that have ate other snakes and have been unable to digest! Therfore causing not only 1 but 2 snakes its life!!

And to the OP and no1 inbetween I highly advise AGAINST housing your corns together.. There may be the advantage of it being cheaper to only get 1 enclosure! But if you house them together and 1 gets sick with RI because of stress what IF the other gets it even if it doesnt would you not rather take both to the vet to be safe rather than sorry?!?

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Now I remember why I stopped giving advice on these forums...

Yeah me too it seems like a waste of time! Especially since the people saying to do it are saying to do it because they do it!.. No actual educated information given out on there part! But it is worth TRYING to save a snake or twos life!

07/26/08 01:37am

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