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 Still one hatchling not eating

Ok, three have eaten. Its been two full weeks since first shed. One still is reluctant. If it does not eat next week, what should I do? Im really concerned with that one. Its startin to look a bit thin. The others are all fatties and healthy.

Ive scented with leopard Geko urates, and tried live and F/T. Feed in the evening and left over night undisturbed. Any other suggestions?



10/02/09  01:00am

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  Message To: Fairy Frog Mother   In reference to Message Id: 2079322


 Still one hatchling not eating

Have you tried braining the pinky? I’ve also heard of some success with cutting the pinky in half (while it’s frozen) then thawing and offering it. I know that sounds gross but it all depends on how far you’re willing to go.



10/02/09  01:41am

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  Message To: Raprapper713   In reference to Message Id: 2079336


 Still one hatchling not eating

Ive brained the F/T ones every time. I cant bring myself to do that to a live pinky though.

Sorry forgot to mention that.



10/02/09  03:12pm

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  Message To: Fairy Frog Mother   In reference to Message Id: 2079475


 Still one hatchling not eating

Yeah I meant with frozen anyway, I don’t use live. Hmmmm I don’t really have a lot of ideas on problem feeders, sorry I can’t help you out.



10/02/09  03:51pm

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  Message To: Fairy Frog Mother   In reference to Message Id: 2079322


 Still one hatchling not eating

You can try scenting with tuna or chicken broth, or even a smear of dish soap. You can also cut one in half as already mentioned. It’s gross, but do-able. If none of these work you can try a small anole lizard. Corns love ’em, I’m told.

As a last resort, you may have to force feed. Hopefully not. Good luck!



10/02/09  06:39pm

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  Message To: EvilTrailMix   In reference to Message Id: 2079568


 Still one hatchling not eating

Thank you.

I asked two different biologists at the Academy of Sciences yesterday, and they told me to do what Ive been doing. Har!

Ill use one of the bigger pinkies ( a couple in the pack have been 2-3 day old size pinks) and try bisection ( I know its not really any different than butchering a chicken and eating it, but yeah, still gross!) Maybe Ill try chicken broth first...then tuna.

The other three have all eaten second meals now. Just this one wont eat.



10/04/09  11:48am

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  Message To: Fairy Frog Mother   In reference to Message Id: 2080168


 Double Check to Make Sure . . .

It’s shed completely. Unshed skin on a hatchling will have a glossy, "dehydrated" feel about it . . . I only have to wear 2.0 magnifiers on my aging eyes for most stuff, but for close up work I have a pair of 4.0’s to really look at detail, and that’s what i did with the smallish "runt of my litter" (who’s doing fine now and had two pinkies for his last meal).

Can’t wear ’em all the time, of course, or I’d wind up dizzy . . . Well, dizzier than my normal mode . . .

I’d go with the smallest (day old maximum) live pinky I could find and put it in a warm, dark private container where it would have nothing to concentrate on but eating (making sure it’s well hydrated before hand). I’d put it in in the evening and not disturb it and leave it overnight . . .

I was demonstrating feeding last weekend on the hatchling I sold through a local shop (Hooray!), and one of them was kind of shy despite all having good appetites. I used one of those paper "Chinese Food" containers (I save them when I get mice in ’em to augment my breeding), and it did the trick. Those things aren’t secure enough to keep a hatchling in for long, so I’d put the snakeling and the pinkie (you can try with a tiny anole as well) in one of those and then inside something secure like a CritterCage . . .

Just some thoughts . . . Unfortunately, a lot of baby snakes die, and it’s just something we have to accept even though it’s painful . . .

Good luck. Keep us posted. A lot of people are learning from your sharing . . .



10/04/09  03:10pm

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  Message To: Concolor1   In reference to Message Id: 2080223


 Double Check to Make Sure . . .

You could try this:

Using a bar of Ivory soap, wash the pinkie and rinse very well. Put this pink in a small deli cup, with holes, in a dark quiet place over night.
If that doesn’t work then wash the pink and rub it all over a lizard and put it in the deli cup again.

This is what I did when I worked at a breeders. It was surprising how well this worked for some of the non-eaters. My main job was feeding and maintaining the newborns esp the non-feeders. Unfortunately some just don’t make it.

Sometime removing the scents from the pink will encourage the baby to eat. You can even wash them live, you just have to do it very fast. I was washing about 100 or more at a time and I never drowned one.


Good luck with the little guy and keep us posted.

OX



10/04/09  04:57pm

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  Message To: OX   In reference to Message Id: 2080255


 Double Check to Make Sure . . .

Thanks.

Yeah, Ive been feeding at night and leaving over night. Ive put em in deli cups but that was no dice as they didn’t like being moved. Right now I have them in medium sized Glad ware containers (aprox. 5"x 8" x 4" high) which are only semi translucent with lots of small holes punched in. As I’m only going to keep one for myself and one for a friend until she has her own place...the teacher who owns the parents wanted to keep the other two, if they both make it. Her last clutch of eggs didn’t because he had the incubator too hot from what Ive been told.

3 have taken second meals just fine. The one still hasn’t taken its first. Will try chicken broth tonight though and a small paper sack, see if that does the trick.

They did shed perfectly. I have them on coco fiber to keep em moist but not TOO humid ( but put the pinkies on a jar lid to keep em out of the substrate to head off impaction issues- they really seem to enjoy burrowing- and its just deep enough to let them) and these are half on a heating pad, half off- and temps are right around 80 on the warm side 75 on the cool.

I handled the one I’m keeping yesterday, then fed it over night and it ate its second meal just fine. I haven’t handled the others much, just twice in the three weeks since they’ve been born, once to feed in deli cups, and the other time to move into individual glad ware containers, so they shouldn’t be stressed from handling. Ill worry bout handling when all have a couple good meals digested fully.

I don’t have lizards, but I was given some Leopard Geko Urates, which has been just the trick for the others. One has only eaten live, but I’m pretty sure I can get it to eat FT now. As the store near me gets new mice in weekly, I can pretty much only get day/hours old live pinkies on Tuesdays when they get them in. Mostly they have been getting frozen but Ive had better luck with live for the first meal. The second didn’t seem to matter. This store is the one who gave me the geko urates. Ha! They have one woman there who breeds her corns and doesn’t usually have problem feeders who has given me some good advice.

ha and you guys have way more information than the folks I talked to at the Academy of Sciences. I’ll have to share this info with them too.



10/05/09  01:29am

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OX
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  Message To: Fairy Frog Mother   In reference to Message Id: 2080415


 Double Check to Make Sure . . .

The lizards that I used were anols that I caught in the yard. After scenting, I let them go for later or froze it. Depended on the time of year. The breeders that I worked for used sani-chips as bedding and a layer of newspaper for them to hide under.

Oh, I forgot of a supplement that can be used for non-feeders. I can’t remember the name of it at the moment but I found it at petsmart. It is in a small tan box and it is a powder that is mixed with water and you use a syringe to give it to them. For a snake that small only a small amount is used. It is stressful, but I don’t think it is as stressful as shoving a mouse down their throat. It might be worth a shot and it should give the little guy some energy. It can be used for just about any reptile. I have even used it for a beardie once.

Keep us posted!
OX



10/05/09  03:33am


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