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#242339
Evanesce
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Hamsters as food for corn snakes? 
I was wondering if feeding pinkie hamsters to yearling corns was more harmful or beneficial in any way more so than mice. I’ve been reading some mixed opinions, so I guess I’m asking for a few more! --Thanks!
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02/07/05 02:09am
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#242389
SCSnakeman
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Message To: Evanesce In reference to Message Id: 242339
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
Either mice or hamster pinkie will provide the snakes nutritional needs and there won’t be any difference in the health of the snake either way. I don’t know the cost of hamster pinkies but, where I buy mice and rats, they sell hamsters as pets and they cost more. Also, many people will not care if you feed mice or rats to your snake but they will raise a stink if they know you are feeding it hamsters.
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02/07/05 07:46am
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#242635
Evanesce
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Message To: Evanesce In reference to Message Id: 242339
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
Thanks for the advice, I already have a couple hamsters, I was just going to breed those, and feed the ones I could not find homes for the the snakes. I find that they are much cleaner than mice, and would rather have them in my house even though they are a little more pricey and time consuming to keep and raise. Before I let them have a ton of little guys, I figured I’d discover if I was doing the snake some harm. Thanks again!
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02/07/05 03:44pm
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#242639
Red_skink
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Message To: Evanesce In reference to Message Id: 242635
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
NOO!! Plz dont feed live rats/mice/hamsters, thats so so so so soooo un humain(in captivity) Cant you feed them frozen rats/mice/hamsters
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02/07/05 03:50pm
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#242657
Michelinman51
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Message To: Red_skink In reference to Message Id: 242639
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
i wouldnt say that its inhumane, thats what they do in the wild. now the better arguement would be if you said that its dangerous for your snake, which is true. your snakes meal can harm your snake if your snake isnt hungry.
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02/07/05 04:07pm
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#242695
Bandit
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Message To: Michelinman51 In reference to Message Id: 242657
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
Actually, the hamsters aren’t "cleaner" than mice, it’s just that mouse urine is much stronger and smellier. Hamsters are descended from desert adapted rodents and they conserve water better and urinate concentrated amounts of urine less frequently. Gerbils are even better adapted for desert survival. Basically, a rodent is a rodent and it doesn’t matter what you feed your snake as long as it is size appropriate.
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02/07/05 04:35pm
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#242791
Hypokeetee
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Message To: Bandit In reference to Message Id: 242695
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
humain or not, its natural... I staged a crazy discovery channel hunt for my snake the other day. The viv had one cricket, an anole, and my corn.. It was a nature scene set in a 20g tank. anole eachs the crik, then the corn took down the anole... thats the order that it happens in in the wild, so I recreate it. some might say its in humain because the criket had no where to go, or that the anole was also trapt.. but come on we are all caging snakes in a 20g tank... plus humain is a human topic.... so... you know.. its all relative.
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02/07/05 05:45pm
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#242809
Red_skink
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Message To: Hypokeetee In reference to Message Id: 242791
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
i didnt mean it meanly, i ment dont you feel any guilt that you have just killed an inocent animal, and it felt pain? as if i had a snake i couldnt do the killing myself, i would have to buy re-killed food. And when i said in humain, i ment as in do u not feel guilty in killing the hamster not the circyle of life..so it would be in humain for you (am i spelling humain wrong?)
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02/07/05 06:00pm
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#242817
SCSnakeman
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Message To: Red_skink In reference to Message Id: 242809
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
Yep, you are spelling humain wrong. It is correctly spelled "humane". Also, there is no such word as un humain, it is inhumane.
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02/07/05 06:05pm
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#242829
Bandit
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Message To: SCSnakeman In reference to Message Id: 242817
 Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
I’m not sure I would want to buy "re-killed" food for my pet. Imagine buying pre-killed mice and having them reanimate like "Night of the Living Dead" and then having to "re-kill" them before feeding. Sends shivers up my spine! Brrrrrrr.....
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02/07/05 06:14pm
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#242830
Hypokeetee
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Message To: SCSnakeman In reference to Message Id: 242817
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
i bought a mouse once and my snake refused to eat it alive, only hapened once, but i felt letting the mouse run free outside, (still being baby blind) would actually be wrong.. istead i did the killing for my snake. Snake needs to eat, and as far as i know, mice are about as low on the food chain as possible, they are evolved to be eaten, i had to choke the little booger so that my snake could eat. and no, i felt nothing for it..
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02/07/05 06:14pm
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#242919
Michelinman51
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Message To: Hypokeetee In reference to Message Id: 242830
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
actually i dont really feel for the mouse. its natural, although i dont recommend feeding live, but i dont really feel sorry for the mouse.
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02/07/05 07:28pm
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#245114
Ripleyskeeper
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Message To: Michelinman51 In reference to Message Id: 242919
 Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
My snake was bit by a mouse and stopped eating, now all he eats is hamster cause he wont touch mice or rat.
As for feeding live, the only reason not to do it is .... READ ABOVE.
But inhumaine? Get a life. If you buy them pre killed then guess what..... someone killed them. They where not stillborn or aborted mice pinkies , somewhere along the way someone stuffed them into a freezer or whacked em on the head.
i find giving a good swing in a ziplock baggie on the edge of the table does the trick just fine. If you lucky the little legs will still be kicking a bit and the snakes natural instinct will kick in a bit more. Screw rodents...LONG LIVE MY SNAKE!
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02/10/05 01:23pm
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#245144
Red_skink
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Message To: Ripleyskeeper In reference to Message Id: 245114
 Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
so all you ppl think that it is not mean on the mouse at all, well roll on re-encarnation (cant spell:S) mebbe you people will be mice, lets just hope that the person who buys you isnt a snake lover but more of a human...with a concience. And "Ripleyskeeper" pre killed my are killed in a less painfull way (i hope)
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02/10/05 02:03pm
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#245145
Red_skink
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Message To: Red_skink In reference to Message Id: 245144
 Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
sorr i said mouse and i ment hamster:)
Red
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02/10/05 02:06pm
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#245166
Ripleyskeeper
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Message To: Red_skink In reference to Message Id: 245145
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
If I come back as a rodent I hope I do get fed to a snake...a worthy cause. Id rather have a split second skull crack on a table then being eaten slowly alive though. Think about it.
As well I have freinds who work in a pet store and sorry to tell ya..... not so humane the way your precious little furbags get snuffed. If its not a slow suffacation in a baggie its being tossed alive into a freezer and slowly froze to death, but at least they usually do it in groups so they die with their brothers and sisters.
Face it, if you own a snake you have to kill rodents to feed them. Dosent matter if you do it yourself or not the end result is YOU killed that mouse for snake food.. directly or indirectly.
I take it your vegaterian, ever see what KFC does to its chickens? A slaughter house for that hamburger from Mcdonalds? What about all the poor rodents and gophers and so on that are killed by farmers protecting or harvesting their crops? If you eat corn and the tractor killed a gopher think how guilty you’d feel...Huh.
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02/10/05 02:47pm
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#245175
Lozzer
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Message To: Ripleyskeeper In reference to Message Id: 245166
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
Putting the mice in the freezer is the most humaine way because wene ya get cold one gets tired and slowly drifts of to sleep and no pain comes to the mice.And mice don’t know there related to the other mice so does it matter.
I think its wrong and cruel to feed the snake live mice because the mouse hasnt got any where to run and if the snake isnt hungry the mouse will panic and attack the snake.
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02/10/05 03:14pm
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#245721
Bandit
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Message To: Lozzer In reference to Message Id: 245175
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
You’re not serious are you Lozzer? Putting the mouse in the freezer alive to kill it? That’s cruel and unusual punishment for sure! The poor thing will know it’s getting cold and will get distressed trying to find a warm spot. And, it takes time to die!The quickest and most humane way to kill a mouse is by smacking it against a table or the floor. It is fast and the shock doesn’t allow the animal to feel any pain or distress.
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02/10/05 11:49pm
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#245775
Jumjumopa
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Message To: Bandit In reference to Message Id: 245721
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
I live out in Fallbrook and we own a rabbit farm. When they overbreed, I usually throw a newborn in my corn’s cage and he loves it. I guess any type of rodent will work, I heard about a guy who fed chinchillas and stuff. As for feeling sorry about being inhumane, it doesn’t really bug me. I’d rather have it go to a good use than just kill it or let it free.
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02/11/05 01:12am
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#245841
Lozzer
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Message To: Jumjumopa In reference to Message Id: 245775
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
Bandit most mouse breeder do freeze theirs in the uk and i think ive read some where that if you breed your own in the uk your only aloud to freeze them.The mouse doesnt get stressed at all it just falls asleep and doesnt wake up.Here you can get arrested for cruelty to animals if you wack em agaisnt a table or floor.
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02/11/05 07:01am
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#245862
Ripleyskeeper
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Message To: Lozzer In reference to Message Id: 245841
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
Ask yourself, if you HAD to pick a way to go. A split second whack to the skull you never saw coming and your dead in under a second OR someone ties you into a garbage bag and throws you into a deepfreeze and shuts the lid.
There is ONE reason and ONE reason only not to feed live rodents to you pet snake and that is for the saftey of you pet that you paid a load of money for and are responsilbe to take care of the best you can. Thats it, screw all this moral objection crap about how to kill the poor pitiful mouse! If you had rats in your house youd snap those furry little SOB’s neck in a rat trap in a second.
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02/11/05 08:30am
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#245901
Lozzer
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Message To: Ripleyskeeper In reference to Message Id: 245862
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
jeeees does it really matter how you kill them there just mice.
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02/11/05 10:13am
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#245995
Red_skink
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Message To: Lozzer In reference to Message Id: 245901
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
all i was pointing out was that i think its a bit mean that live mice are fed to snakes, and i was also saying that i would feel cruel feeding them live and asking dont you, and i was pointing out that i wwould rather feed dead mice (and advise others as best as i could) because i would feel less mean and cruel as i never origionally killed it
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02/11/05 12:58pm
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#248149
Hypokeetee
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Message To: Red_skink In reference to Message Id: 245995
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
ok so as long as you dont kill the mouse and have nothing to do with hoodeenee’s next meal, does it matter how my snake eats? If i feed my snake live, but tell you I fed him f/t would it make you feel better?
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02/14/05 02:03pm
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#248175
Red_skink
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Message To: Hypokeetee In reference to Message Id: 248149
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
im mreally not botherd if you feed your snake live food, but i was just pointing out that i would feel guilty if i did. But what i have heard feeding live food can damage your snake, but it is entirly up to you:)
Red
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02/14/05 02:50pm
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#248271
Hypokeetee
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Message To: Red_skink In reference to Message Id: 248175
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
so is it inhumane because it will hurt the snake? or is it inhumane for the mouses pain’s sake? As far as I know death comes in all forms, the outcome is still the same. a meal for the snake...
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02/14/05 04:44pm
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#248279
Ripleyskeeper
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Message To: Hypokeetee In reference to Message Id: 248271
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
Damn, who new this was such a touchy subject?
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02/14/05 04:54pm
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#248302
Red_skink
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Message To: Ripleyskeeper In reference to Message Id: 248279
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
Ok your going to get me started again, and in my opinion i htink that it is inhumain for people to feed live mice or hamsters to snakes,but clearly not in your opinion. p.s it is illegal to feed live mice to snakes in england.
Red
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02/14/05 05:27pm
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#248329
Zack_TKE
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Message To: Red_skink In reference to Message Id: 248302
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
Well if anyone is arguing that killing a mouse is inhumane. Get Rid of your snake. Apparently you have nightmares and night sweats just because you’re killing a mouse. Most people like a few of you are giving a mouse a HUMAN brain. It doesn’t work that way. They’re main objective is to survive to mate. Sure each does have a personality and shake if scared but even bacteria moves away from a stimulus it doesn’t like. Besides if I was a mouse, I hope I’d get to mate a few times and then get strangled by a snake. Either that or die in a laboratory. And I’m pretty sure if you smack a mouse they won’t take you to jail. Let’s try to reasonable this is a Forum for snakes, not for tree huggers (in that sense). As lumberjacks say, try wipping your butt with plactic toilet. paper
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02/14/05 05:50pm
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#248367
Red_skink
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Message To: Zack_TKE In reference to Message Id: 248329
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
ok, i think i will have to strightn this out, im not a tree hugger and im not a veggie, im just poiniting out that me myself would not like to watch a mouse being killed in front of me as i think that it would be creepy watching it and not very nice and Inhumain to watch, as a human and not feel any sorry for the mouse. And i was trying to point out that why feed live and go through all that when you can just buy frozen mice and see no death, but sumthing that is already dead, and know to yourself that even though your feeding your snake a mouse whats dead, you shouldnt feel guilty as even if you didnt have a snke to feed a mouse to, that that mouse would of been killed anyway so you had no way to stop it. If you get me or am i just confusing all you people
Red
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02/14/05 06:26pm
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#249221
Bizzarro
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Message To: Red_skink In reference to Message Id: 248367
 Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
I’m I alone in getting a slight thrill when my snake snatches a live mouse out of my hand and eats it. It’s so cool! Come on guys!
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02/15/05 06:33pm
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#249269
Red_skink
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Message To: Bizzarro In reference to Message Id: 249221
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
see amd that i think is slighlty...creepy...lol
Red
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02/15/05 07:26pm
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#249509
Beardeboy16
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Message To: Red_skink In reference to Message Id: 249269
Hamsters as food for corn snakes?
That is untrue in the freezer it is painful for the mouse, More painful then if u give it to a snake, In the freezer the blood starts to crystallize and freeze and think of it as tiny shards of glass pumping through you veins it hurts the mouse more than the Snake would.
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02/15/05 10:37pm
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