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#105479
Spunkers303
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Toy Poodle Changing Color? 
I have been baffled by my mother-in-law’s Toy Poodle Tiffany. She is AKC registered as an Apricot Toy, but as you can see from the picture below, she is white...she was born Apricot and was Apricot for her first year to year and a half...then she turned white!? She has traces of Apricot hair through the white but...what happend? I’m not very familiar with Poodles I never had interest in them, but Tiffy is such a sweetie and her color has boggled me far as long as I’ve known her. Can someone please explain why this cute little apricot pooch was scared white? 
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07/23/04 09:21am
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#105622
Tojuco
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Message To: Spunkers303 In reference to Message Id: 105479
Toy Poodle Changing Color?
Hi there. I have a champagne poodle who is now 4 years and has turned creamed color. She birthed a solid black poodle who was registered as a black poodle. That poodle is now gray. So I guess you really don’t know what you are getting until the poodle is older. Go figure.
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07/23/04 12:57pm
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#105751
Spunkers303
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Message To: Tojuco In reference to Message Id: 105622
Toy Poodle Changing Color?
I guess so...lol. I thought Tiffy was an odd ball having that happen...my mother-in-law will be happy to hear she isn’t. She came from show lines too...hmmm...I guess Tiff lucked out becoming my in laws poodle and not a breeders or a handlers. Thanks for sharing!
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07/23/04 03:42pm
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#105756
PinksPal
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Message To: Spunkers303 In reference to Message Id: 105751
Toy Poodle Changing Color?
I have a Toy Party Poodle. Thats whats listed on her papers. She is white with one black ear, and brown spots on her back. She is 12 yrs old now,when I got her she was 1 1/2 and was apricot color with the brown spots. Now she is white with brown spots.
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07/23/04 03:50pm
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#105793
Spunkers303
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Message To: PinksPal In reference to Message Id: 105756
Toy Poodle Changing Color?
Is it brown skin spots or hair spots? That is exactly like her! She is 12 also.
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07/23/04 05:05pm
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#105937
PinksPal
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Message To: Spunkers303 In reference to Message Id: 105793
Toy Poodle Changing Color?
The skin and hair both are brown. At first I didnt’ think she was a full blooded poodle. The vet that sees her says she is a very rare poodle.Her name is Lacey and she is my baby doll.
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07/23/04 08:56pm
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#106039
Spunkers303
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Message To: PinksPal In reference to Message Id: 105937
Toy Poodle Changing Color?
Our vet never said Tiffany is rare....said Tabby my 19 yr old husky/shepard is a rare case, but not Tiff...lol He said Tiffany’s skin color pigments are almost like a human liver spot. They don’t produce any brown or black hair, but they are very visible through her white coat. They supposedly come with age...I can see that since she never had them before the age of 9 or 10. Has your poodle experienced any seizures at all? Tiff has...at first they associated it with Lymes and Chronic Pneumonia, but she was cured of that and she just had one the other day...been a year since the last one when she was treated...just curious if it is breed specific with the agingt process.
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07/24/04 12:25am
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#106092
PinksPal
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Message To: Spunkers303 In reference to Message Id: 106039
Toy Poodle Changing Color?
Lacey has never had any seizures at all. As you can see by looking at her picture she is blind in one eye and starting to go blind in the other. That picture was made during cold weather so her hair was long and fluffy. She has no lower teeth left at all and is beginning to loose her top teeth. She has problems jumping now too. I have started thinking about having her put to sleep,but I can’t bring myself to do it. She doesn’t seem to be in any pain and I don’t want to lose her! What would you do if she were yours?
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07/24/04 04:00am
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#106169
Spunkers303
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Message To: PinksPal In reference to Message Id: 106092
Toy Poodle Changing Color?
I could never bring myself to put any of my "kids", as I call them, down unless they are suffering. I am blessed...my 19 year old Husky/Shepard is very healthy and was even hit by a car 2 years ago when she broke loose and came through it without even a scar...If she got so sick or hurt where she would be physically impaired and required surgery to fix it, I’d have her put down. I’d rather do that than risk losing her on the operating table. If she was to have cancer or leukemia...I would treat it with a pill and love only until her time came or I see her begin to feel uncomfortable enough to have her put down. If your little girl is still happy and healthy let her be. You both reap the benefit of it. As with humans she develope ailments like the not being able to jump and run like she use to, but thats the curse of aging.
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07/24/04 12:18pm
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#375967
Qtpawzpoodles
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Message To: Spunkers303 In reference to Message Id: 105479
Toy Poodle Changing Color?
Apricots have what is know as the fadding gene. It is VERY common for an apricot poodle to become white. Infact more often than not apricots will become white. It is the rare apricot with excellent color genes that will hold its color.
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06/19/05 07:28pm
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#375972
Qtpawzpoodles
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Message To: Tojuco In reference to Message Id: 105622
Toy Poodle Changing Color?
This Solid back puppy that you are referring to is know as a blue. Blues also carry the fading gene especially since your female is champagne. Blues from birth will have a chocolate colored highlight to them. You can see this if you take them out into the sun or hold them under a nice light to see the color.
As far as knowing what color you are going to get a good breed should know the poodle colors. However some colors that are born dark such as blacks or browns can not be told if they will lighten until 6 weeks. At this time a good breeder will know if a black puppy is going to be blue or silver or if a brown puppy is going to be cafe au lait or silver beige.
As a poodles coat does not full mature until they are 2 yrs of age for some breeders it can be hard to tell coat color especially when getting into the more exotic colors. Unfortunately AKC and the other clubs require us to immediately mark the puppies color when registering a puppy so many breeders have to guess at the final color the puppy will be.
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06/19/05 07:36pm
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#375973
Qtpawzpoodles
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Message To: Spunkers303 In reference to Message Id: 105751
Toy Poodle Changing Color?
Just because this puppy faded doesnt mean that the breeding was bad or that her color is bad. This puppy could still have been shown if it was show quality regardless of her color fadding.
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06/19/05 07:37pm
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#375984
CelticTigeress
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Message To: Qtpawzpoodles In reference to Message Id: 375973
Toy Poodle Changing Color?
Certain breeds of animals do that.
Here we deal with TB SBs and Arabs as horses... a desired color is what we call a Gray youll remember them if you see a Horse thats white with black around the nose and up the legs...facinating thing here..
Grays are white horses but are called grays for ap urpse when they are born they are a black as they age they lighten to white with the plack skin beneath. Lippazaners are the same way the only white horse that is not born like this and change are Albinos... My Grandmother had a registered Apricot that turned pure white no traces of Apricot...no worries as someone stated its the "Fading gene"
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06/19/05 07:46pm
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#375985
Qtpawzpoodles
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Message To: Spunkers303 In reference to Message Id: 105793
Toy Poodle Changing Color?
Parti means that a poodle is more than one color. The parti is one of the original colors of the poodle along with mismarks or abstracts as they are called now by the UKC and the solid blacks. You can have a parti skinned poodle that will produce parti coated puppies also without being parti coated itself. It is not necessarily a rare color at all. Although many breeders call it rare. In the beginning AKC allowed this color in the conformation ring but after the 1800’s the color was considered a fault. No one can find the reason why. In fact if you want to look closely at the poodle it should be all other colors of solids that should be considered a fault after looking at the history of the poodle. Many breeders after the 1800’s either gave these parti colored poodles away as pets or culled them after birth. This has seriously depleted the gene pool for the parti colored poodles. UKC allows these colors now in the conformation ring. We hope that one day soon AKC will pick us back up in the conformation ring. Parti colored poodles are registerable with the AKC but just cant be show in conformation. With all the publicity the multicolored poodles have been getting this year in the UKC ring and with the great numbers that are being Championed AKC wont be able to ignore these colors forever. Parti and Phantom colored poodles (with the Doberman like markings) have been highly sought after in other countries for years.
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06/19/05 07:48pm
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#375987
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Message To: Spunkers303 In reference to Message Id: 106039
Toy Poodle Changing Color?
Seizures are a comon problem in the toy poodles and other toy breeds. It is a genetic defect. And this dog should never be bred. Hopefully she wasnt. The parents of this poodle should also never have been bred. Did you notify the breeder of this problem. The breed really needs to know so that she can contact other owners of the ofspring of these two dogs and find out if the problem is only with the one puppy or if it is wide spread.
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06/19/05 07:52pm
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#376139
Spunkers303
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Message To: Qtpawzpoodles In reference to Message Id: 375987
Toy Poodle Changing Color?
Tiffany was a freebie from a pet store, not from a private breeder and this was long ago, because of a hip problem and no she was never bred. This is an old post...I made this post almost a year ago. Bringing up old posts overlaps all newer ones that may require quick responses.
-Brandy
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06/19/05 10:39pm
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