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 #1172142


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 Pit Bull

I realize a lot of people do not like pit bull because they have recieved a ton of bad media attention and so on.

however, I am responsible owner of exotic pets I even have owned a dog of my own.

It was a retired greyhound that died of own age. I have always wanted a pit bull but since when I was younger I lived in my mother’s house so it was her rules.

I work usually every day usually until about 1pm or so and I have time on the weekends. i can spend with the dog. I realize these dogs can be aggressive but that depends on how the owner raises them.

I plan on buying a baby pit bull and properly raising it and keeping it in good health.

Since these are very active dogs when I get mine I want to give him jobs. Are these jobs below once the dog get a certain age? and what age can I start doing these jobs?

1 ) I wanted to walk my dog while he carries a harness type thing that can hold small heavy weight balls to gain muscle strength (is this ok? what age can i start this?)

2) I seen a video on youtube of a dog having fun by swinging from a bungee rope that was hanging on a tree (would this type of exercize help my dogs hind leg muscles?)

3) These dogs are also used by cops also to sniff out drugs and all that other stuff. I want to to be able to teach my dog how to find stuff also just for fun and also to exercize its mind (what age would I be able to do this at and how would i go about doing it?)

Long story short if anyone here breeds pit bulls or just owns one or two and can give me correct information on this specific breed I’d love to read it at all.

Also, is 800 for a female pit bull and 600 for a male (or vice versa) a good price to pay for a baby?

And of course all pictures are welcomed. Thank you.



02/13/07  06:00pm

 #1172180


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  Message To: BallPython2   In reference to Message Id: 1172142


 Pit Bull

I dont own a Bully breed but do own a dog. I have read with larger dogs, you want to limit their amount of exercise while they are young. I dont know if a pit classifies as a large breed dog, though. You dont want to put alot of strain on a young dogs legs. Exercises 1 and 2, I would not recommend until over a year old. The other one can be started anytime and the earlier the better. Look into SARs (Search and Rescue) and Tracking. You maybe able to find a local kennel club or group that does this type of training. I worked with a lady that did SARS with her Labs and Bloodhound. She on the Counties SAR team. They train rain or shine, hot or cold. It is extremely hard work, as I have been told. But it is very rewarding.

Exercise #2 that you stated, I personally see this as pointless. To me you are strengthin the dogs jaw, not the back legs. Why would one need to strength a dogs jaw other than for biting work? It maybe cool, but I dont see a need for any dog to do this. Not to mention it could be bad for their teeth!



02/13/07  06:20pm

 #1172233


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  Message To: HerpsinIN   In reference to Message Id: 1172180


 Pit Bull

in the video it looked like the dog was just having fun but ok... I can disregard that hanging thing..any other ideas to keep my dog in shape besides the normal walking it all day and playing with it?


Do normal pit bill owners (people who have these dogs for the RIGHT reasons not wrong reasons) use treadmills generally speaking to keep their dogs in shape lets say if its too cold or go out or something of that nature?



02/13/07  06:54pm

 #1172249


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  Message To: BallPython2   In reference to Message Id: 1172233


 Pit Bull

Agility is a great source of exercise for a dog. There are all sorts of dog sports. There is also flyball. Another thing that really isnt exercise but showing is something that you might like. It takes a lot of money and time, but some find it rewarding. I myself dont think it would be that fun, but that is my personal opinion. Look into getting the dog certified as a therapy dog and get the AKC Canine Good Citizen certificate. This would help the bully breeds A LOT, showing that the majority are not mean. Of course, the dog actually has to be good around people and not shy or timid.

Of course swimming is probably one of the best forms of exercise for a dog. No stress on the bones. If you google search dog sports or dog activities, I am sure a lot will come up.

It just all depends on what your dog enjoys. My dog was originally supposed to be a show dog, but the dog didnt enjoy it. So the breeder offered her to me instead of getting a puppy.

Good luck when you a dog. It sounds liek you are a responsible pet owner!



02/13/07  07:10pm

 #1172281


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  Message To: HerpsinIN   In reference to Message Id: 1172249


 Pit Bull

those sound like great ideas and I’m actually vert excited about getting the dog. you seem very helpful so I’ll ask you another question.

A friend of mine is giving me her 2 year old pit bull diamond. The dog lives with her and her mother.

I ask my friend if she would bring the dog over some time so my girlfriend and I could give it a once over and just spend some time with the dog before we decided to keep it.

should I try an over night stay with the dog even though I dont have a kennel to put it in? I wanted to do the over night to see how the dog would react to being around just my girlfriend and I is this a good idea? the dog never bites any one at my friends house and they also own a cat.

are there any "new owner friendly" activities you (or anyone else on this dog forum) can think of that can tell me if I should take my friends’ dog or just get a new puppy of my own?

If every thing does work out I will be buying a kennel for the dog for the time my girlfriend and I may not be home. However, as long as one of us is home she will be allowed to stay out just because dogs in general love human contact.



02/13/07  07:29pm

 #1172302


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  Message To: BallPython2   In reference to Message Id: 1172281


 Pit Bull

When I was working with the breeder about getting my dog, I went to the breeders house (over an hour away) to meet the dog. The breeder wanted me to meet the dog on its own territory so it doesnt get too stressed. About a week after I went there to meet the dog, she brought the dog to my place. She stayed here a couple of hours. She walked the dog around the house on a leash, the she let the dog roam on its own. After that, She gave me the leash and let me walk her around. We eventually went for a walk with me holding the leash and the breeder next to us just so the dog would get used to me.

We also had a contract to were if the dog and me did not work out with in 3 months, then I could return the dog and get my money back.

I feel that you can not tell if the dog is goign to be comfortable around someone in just a day. It takes a couple of weeks for the dog to settle into its new environment.

THis is what I would recommend. Go visit the dog at its original house. See how that goes. IF all goes well, then have the owner bring it over in a couple of days. You will be doing the dog a favor giving it a kennel if it is used to it. They feel as this is their safe place. I think that if the dog is in a new environment and is uncomfortable and doesnt ahve his/her safe place to go, there is going to be a problem.

Place your rules and limitations the first day it is in your care. Dont let it get away with anything that it wont be able to in the future. I also kept my dog on a leash attached to me for a couple of weeks. This helped with the bonding and she is now so attached to me! It is great! You can also have more controll of its bathroom habits.

I hope this helps and I know this is more than you asked for. If any of it doesnt make sense, let me know and I will try to explain it better.

Good luck!



02/13/07  07:44pm

 #1172335


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  Message To: HerpsinIN   In reference to Message Id: 1172302


 Pit Bull

Ok house training...usually if dog is house trained in one house he is house trained in another correct? if not should I take the dog outside for at least a 15 minute walk if i see it sniffing around corners as if its about to take a stress urine test on my rug? lol...

Also with a puppy to house train it do i buy a kennel one that is big enough for him to move around in but not pee in?

Then I take the dog out every 2 hrs or so? and then the next day take the dog out every 3 hours and so on until the dog can hold its pee and feces over night then take the dog out immediately in the morning to do its business?

Also, I was taught (from the dog whisper show and by vets) that when you want a dog to do its business outside you keep the dog on a routine so it knows when it has to go and you always go to the same place every time o the dog picks up the cue. and also you praise the dog after it does its deed with games, talking in a high excited voice and hugs and all that correct?

and if it does pee in the house (because you had the dog out for a while walking it but it just feels safer peeing in the house lol) how do you properly repermand it? do you say no in a stern voice while you are catching it in the act then put it in the kennel? or should it be done a different way?

also for puppies are you suppose to put the water bowl away for the night if the dog isnt fully house trained?



02/13/07  08:07pm

 #1172374


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  Message To: BallPython2   In reference to Message Id: 1172335


 Pit Bull

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Ok house training...usually if dog is house trained in one house he is house trained in another correct? if not should I take the dog outside for at least a 15 minute walk if i see it sniffing around corners as if its about to take a stress urine test on my rug? lol...



Usually, but it is in a new environment and can get confused and have accidents. The problem I had with my dog was she was used to an outdoor kennel where she could go when ever she had too. She used to never alert me that she had to go. I just too her out every so often and now she tells me when she has to go. Also, when I first got her, she would not go poop when we went out to potty. The only way that I could get her to poop was taking her on a walk. She has since started going out back with out walks, but she will still go on a walk no matter if she just went out back. I think it is the movement that gets her bowels going and digesting the food inside her.

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Also with a puppy to house train it do i buy a kennel one that is big enough for him to move around in but not pee in?



That is the easiest way I know of doing it. You might want to get a kennel that will be big enough for when it is an adult and just get one that has a divider in it to make it smaller. this will save you alot of money in the long run.

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Then I take the dog out every 2 hrs or so? and then the next day take the dog out every 3 hours and so on until the dog can hold its pee and feces over night then take the dog out immediately in the morning to do its business?



I believe the general rule of thumb is take the age of the dog in months and add (or subtractl; I cant remmeber which it is) one. This is the amount of time in hours the dog can hold it. So a 2 month old puppy will be able to hold it for 3 hours.

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Also, I was taught (from the dog whisper show and by vets) that when you want a dog to do its business outside you keep the dog on a routine so it knows when it has to go and you always go to the same place every time o the dog picks up the cue. and also you praise the dog after it does its deed with games, talking in a high excited voice and hugs and all that correct?



Dogs live on routines! After my dog was about done, I would CALMLY say good girl, good potty! I never got overly excited as then she would loose all thoughts and stop going to the bathroom. I never play with my dog when I take her out to go potty. That is its own trip. i will take her out to go potty. After she goes, we come back inside and then go back outside to play. That way she learns that potty time is potty time, and play time is play time.

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and if it does pee in the house (because you had the dog out for a while walking it but it just feels safer peeing in the house lol) how do you properly repermand it? do you say no in a stern voice while you are catching it in the act then put it in the kennel? or should it be done a different way?



If you dont catch it in the act, all you can do is be mad at yourself. You can only disipline if you catch the dog in the act. I would make a loud noise to get his/her attention and then grab the collar and cause slight pressure on it and take the dog outside and say go potty. If it is poop, pick it up and put outside. If it is pee, soak up with papertowel and put outside.

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also for puppies are you suppose to put the water bowl away for the night if the dog isnt fully house trained?



I would limit a puppies water intake while potty training. i would also limit the food. Feed in meals and if the doesnt eat it when given to them, then too bad. The dog must wait until the next feeding time. I would give the puppy water after each meal, after heavy exercise and play, and maybe a couple other times through out the day. Take the puppy out 15 mins after feedings and waterings too.



02/13/07  08:31pm

 #1172452


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  Message To: HerpsinIN   In reference to Message Id: 1172374


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Can an excessive of toys cause a puppy to become an adult territorial terror?

Is there / should there be a limit to how many toys a dog has? and should some toys get thrown out after certain period of time?

also when picking out a little one from a litter what kind of stuff should I look for in a puppy?

can do test like get close to the puppies and see which ones come rushing at me and which ones tend to shy away and stay closer to mummie?

can I have like a metal can behind my back and shake it twice to see which puppies it will scare and which ones it will attratch the attention of?

I read somewhere before that when puppies show a strong curiosity (sp) towards loud sounds and strange people it shows the courage , fearlessness and other traits that a perspective buyer would want...

is this the kind of test that should be done on my part?
besides looking at the health of the puppy around the eyes , legs, mouth, and nose?

what kinds of questions should i ask the breeder?

and can breeders sell puppies without their shots before a certain age and after what age do the puppies have to have their shots before they can be sold?



02/13/07  09:08pm

 #1172617


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  Message To: BallPython2   In reference to Message Id: 1172452


 Pit Bull

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Can an excessive of toys cause a puppy to become an adult territorial terror? Is there / should there be a limit to how many toys a dog has? and should some toys get thrown out after certain period of time?


I dont think that the amount of toys a dog has will cause problems. However, I dont see a reason for buying your dog more toys that he/she will play with. I see it as a waste of money, but again, this is my personal opinion. Dont get me wrong, I spoil my dog. But I dont go all out when it comes to toys. I think the dog can have the toy as long as it is safe for the dog to play with. A toy that has filling coming out of it should surely be thrown away for the safety of the dog.

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also when picking out a little one from a litter what kind of stuff should I look for in a puppy? can do test like get close to the puppies and see which ones come rushing at me and which ones tend to shy away and stay closer to mummie? can I have like a metal can behind my back and shake it twice to see which puppies it will scare and which ones it will attratch the attention of?


What to look for in a puppy all depends on what you want in the dog. There is a temperment test that the breeder can do when the puppies are 7 or 8 weeks old (something like that, not sure of the age). A reputable breeder should know the personalities of the puppies and should be able to match the dogs personality to your lifestyle. The making of loud noises is all part of the temperment testing that a breeder should do.


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I read somewhere before that when puppies show a strong curiosity (sp) towards loud sounds and strange people it shows the courage , fearlessness and other traits that a perspective buyer would want...


This all depends on the type of dog that you are looking for. The dog that you described in the above quote would be what I call a dominant dog. Some people can not handle a dominant dog, so they would look for one that isnt. OTOH, you maynot want a really submissive dog that is fearful as I feel these are more dangerous than dominant dogs. Again, the breeder should be able to place the right dog for your lifestyle.

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is this the kind of test that should be done on my part?
besides looking at the health of the puppy around the eyes , legs, mouth, and nose?


The temperment test should be done by the breeder. You should be able to feel comfortable with the breeder and to take their word. Yes, look at the puppy to see if there is anything wrong. Make sure the pups are in a clean environment. The puppies should have had atleast one vaccine, especially against Parvo, multiple dewormings, the parents should have the appropriate health testing done. You should also be able to meet and see the parents and make sure they are healthy. As for proof of vaccines on the parents and on Heartworm prevention if relievant in your state.

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what kinds of questions should i ask the breeder? and can breeders sell puppies without their shots before a certain age and after what age do the puppies have to have their shots before they can be sold?



I have kinda answered both of these questions previously in the post. Yes, breeders can sell pups taht have not been vaccinated. I cant remember at what age a dog must be vaccinated for rabies by law, but i think that varies by state anyways. Usually a puppy under 16weeks will not be able to have their rabies vaccines. But I feel that there is NO reason for a puppy not to have atleast 1 puppy vaccine booster. Also, deworming is important.



02/13/07  11:06pm

 #1179003


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  Message To: HerpsinIN   In reference to Message Id: 1172617


 Pit Bull

The hanging exercise you were talking about is called a springpole and most pitts really enjoy it and its a great exercise it works on the neck, back, and jaws it also works the hind legs if they are on the ground. My dogs love it.

Josh



02/19/07  12:03am


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