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#1703387
No_glory
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Victoria Stilwell 
ok i have don’t know if any of you have heard of her or not but she is on a show called it’s me or the dogs. personally this woman is my favorite dog trainer..i would use her methods over cesar any day. i was just wondering if any one else has seen the show and what they think of her?
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04/14/08 08:06pm
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#1703494
Sw1c
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Message To: No_glory In reference to Message Id: 1703387
Victoria Stilwell
never heard of her or the show. allot of cesars i woudlnt do either but he is also last resort for allot of cases. and he does say allot what he does need have proffessional do it not to try yourself. i prefer cesar over bra form at the end of my leash by far.
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04/14/08 08:55pm
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#1703563
No_glory
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Message To: Sw1c In reference to Message Id: 1703494
Victoria Stilwell
Quote: prefer cesar over bra form at the end of my leash by far.
huh
i like her better because she does not use a dog fear nor does she use force to make a dog learn. she runs from the dogs point of view. i like her methods seem so much more humane then cesars.
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04/14/08 09:26pm
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#1703580
Sw1c
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Message To: No_glory In reference to Message Id: 1703563
Victoria Stilwell
cesar doesnt hurt them, i missed the D. what cesar does is makeds them confront fear and shows them its not always a bad thing. and his tugging and claw thing at neck is to similate what dogs do naturally and isnt hard, just enough to get there attention before they move to higher level of excitement. remember cesars shows are generally cases where owners have tried training and others and were told they cant help. and the pull on leash isnt hard, and when "kicks" flank it not a kick it a push. once again when dog is about to hit a point where verbal commands wont work. his system is rehabilitation. i havent seen other person so i couldnt say though. he isnt using dogs fears to make them behave either, hes trying get rid of the fear. Mind you ive seen a few shows where owner though was being to physical, then he showed them how much force actually used. owner after said she felt liek idiot but i dont blame her. but if i ever get chanvce watch the other show i will. hopefulyl one day i can see it.
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04/14/08 09:35pm
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#1703602
No_glory
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Message To: Sw1c In reference to Message Id: 1703580
Victoria Stilwell
this lady gets the same problems. one was an owner who had a highly aggressive pit bull, i mean she opened this door and the dog had to be muzzled to even allow strangers in the house. There was no force used. the dog was able to go into public and be around people. Cesar in one epsoide i watched used a tennis racket to keep a dog back from biting him..that to me is playing on a dogs fear. where is Victoria if a dog is a biter trains with a muzzle on and works hands on with the animal. idk i like her better the cesar.
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04/14/08 09:48pm
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#1703657
Sw1c
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Message To: No_glory In reference to Message Id: 1703602
Victoria Stilwell
he used the tennis racket so he wouldnt get bit, it wasnt because dog afraid was more for him not to get bit. and to look bigger. to play on fears would need be more threatening like use fear as punishment. but ya its two dif ways of doing it and im pretty sure allto of them overlap as well.
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04/14/08 10:16pm
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#1704097
Skyler, kai, pepper
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Message To: Sw1c In reference to Message Id: 1703657
Victoria Stilwell
I love that show and her methods are great!!!!! I have started using some of the things she says to do not that my boys are misbehaving just they dont like to listen (as men dont lol) and think they can get away with what they want. After listening to her methods and the ease of the training I started using her methods and they work wonders!!!
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04/15/08 11:07am
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#1755588
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Message To: No_glory In reference to Message Id: 1703387
 Victoria Stilwell
she is awesome!
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06/08/08 10:45pm
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#1755790
FutureVet123
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Message To: No_glory In reference to Message Id: 1703602
 Victoria Stilwell
I have watched most of the It’s Me or the Dog episodes, and I LOVE them!!! She can get any dog under her control in a matter of minutes. The difference between her and other professional trainers is her fearlessness. Dogs can sense nervousness, and she never shows fear or backs down. She safely shows the dog that she is boss without the use of choke chains, etc. There was one particular episode that pleased me beyond belief. There was an extremely vicious, dangerous German Shepherd that had to be locked up securely in a cage with a top so it had no possible chance of escaping. This dog was snarling, snapping, trying to bite, showing it’s teeth, jumping and lunging on the cage wall, and Victoria calmly entered the cage without as much as a look of desperation or a second thought, and without a leash, a spray to get it to retreat, something to defend herself, etc. In under 10 seconds she had the dog calmed down and willing to listen. In about 2 minutes she had the dog obediently following her every command. Cesar uses precautionary tools, and I think that anxiety rubs off on the dog. Victoria is fearless and doesn’t need those tools.
-Peaches and Jeni
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06/09/08 09:34am
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#1756101
Senshokukiba
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Message To: FutureVet123 In reference to Message Id: 1755790
Victoria Stilwell
I like Cesar better because he uses "force" when training dogs. I’m a firm supporter of choke chains, shock collars, and similar training tools. Plus, he always seems layed back.
Victoria’s approaches, in my opinion, are too gentle. I realize that all of the dog’s she’s trained respond well to her methods. I just believe she would get better results if she was more like Cesar.
I know it’s rude to "judge" people, but... have you guys noticed what she wears? She usually wears tight, leather pants. Sometimes she’s seen holding what appears to be a whip. It looks like she’s ready to put a show on at the circus with some tigers.
I do give her kudos for being able to contain herself when she faces so many stupid dog owners.
Actually, Victoria uses force as well. She forces dogs to do differant tasks and actions. All dog owners actually force their dogs to do things.
There was one episode that I watched where Cesar was trying to get a hound used to people. The dog was extremely nervous and terrified of humans. Well, he "forced" the dog to like humans. When the dog was kenneled, he’d sit near it with his back facing the dog. Eventually, the dog started to be less nervous. In this case, I think what Cesar did was a good idea. The owners of the dog could have put the dog to a sleep in an instant. They wanted to help the dog though. I think most dogs would rather live nervously than be killed. What do you guys think?
I’ve never used Cesar’s or Victoria’s training methods. I use Richard Wolters’s methods. My family’s had great dogs because of Wolter’s methods.
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06/09/08 04:38pm
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#1756273
Amyers
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Message To: Senshokukiba In reference to Message Id: 1756101
Victoria Stilwell
I LOVE both shows to tell you the truth but in my opinion I like Cesar better. when I use Cesar’s techniques on my dogs they listen. I let them walk on the side of me and not ahead. I think some of Victoria’s techniques are good but I like Cesers better.
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06/09/08 07:25pm
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#1756473
1baikim
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Message To: Amyers In reference to Message Id: 1756273
Victoria Stilwell
I am a fan of both shows. I personally like Victoria’s show more than Caesar’s. Someone mentioned the whip earlier, which looks to me to be a leash. That appears to be just a shot in the opening of the show. Anways, I have personally used some of the techniques featured in both shows and for me the ones featured in her show have had the best results.
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06/09/08 10:32pm
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#1756909
FutureVet123
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Message To: 1baikim In reference to Message Id: 1756473
Victoria Stilwell
I am a little stunned by her black leather and tights, but the "whip" is, actually, as stated above, a black leash, and it is just used for the credits and the introduction, she doesn’t use it.
-Peaches and Jeni
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06/10/08 01:38pm
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#1757418
Rae rae
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Message To: FutureVet123 In reference to Message Id: 1756909
Victoria Stilwell
well i like watching both shows. however i do have to say i’m more fond of cesar. i’ve read his book cesar’s way and everything he does makes sense. he was raised in mexico watching feral dogs in their natural habitat and also watched their "pet" dogs. they didn’t necessarily have pet dogs but had dogs that worked and were useful. he said he had never heard of problems with dog behavior until he came to america because people’s way of thinking is that a dog is a baby or a child rather than a dog. anyway my point is that i’ve never seen a book by victoria, i don’t know if she’s written one or not. i’m also very surpirised that on her show they mention that she’s never been bit. i’ve been bit by a basset hound, a chihuahua, a bird, hamster, cat, rat, and even a fish. i’ve worked for petsmart, now i’m a vet tech, and i train dogs as a hobby. it just tells me that she doesn’t have as much hands on training with the dogs like cesar does. he gets in and gets dirty with the dogs where she just lets the owners do all the work. yes i know the owners need to do the work so they can be trained but all she does is talk, there’s no action. at least from the shows that i’ve seen.
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06/10/08 09:56pm
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#1757888
FutureVet123
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Message To: Rae rae In reference to Message Id: 1757418
Victoria Stilwell
Quote: feral dogs in their natural habitat
Feral dogs don’t have a "natural habitat." They are dogs that are abandoned and left to breed and freely wander. Dogs will still be domestic.
Also, a dog trainer doesn’t need to get "hands on." I’m not exactly sure what you mean by that, but from my point of view, a dog shouldn’t be taught using physical correction and shouldn’t learn to react from fear or from touch. Victoria always maintains the dog’s trust and obedience using vocals and hand signals. And never once has a dog outdone Victoria. Even the out of control Sibe couldn’t dominate her. She had the dog neutered, taught it who was alpha dog, and worked on basic obedience. I will not use Casear’s training methods, because using touch is how you get dogs to fear you, and a TRUE dog trainer and animal lover should be able to "connect" with the dog and not have to touch it.
-Peaches and Jeni
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06/11/08 12:34pm
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#1757933
Senshokukiba
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Message To: FutureVet123 In reference to Message Id: 1757888
Victoria Stilwell
I guess I’m not a true dog trainer then. And I guess my father and many of our friends aren’t either.
Those who use physical punishment to correct behavior in dogs atually do connect with them. I’ve got a very close bond with Jake, one of my dad’s German Shorthaired Pointers, despite the fact that I’ve swatted him a couple of times.
Studies have been done before in order to prove which dogs make the most loyal dogs. In one study, a scientist would spoil one group of dogs, only abuse the others, and then abuse and spoil the last group of dogs. His study determined that dogs who receive correction, guidance, and love turn out to be the best dogs. He also discovered that they’re the most loyal.
Using touch training, as I like to call it sometimes, doesn’t always result in a fearful dog. Even if you don’t physically punish your dog, it can still become fearful. Some thing as simple as yelling or stomping can make your dog scared of you. In my opinion, screaming at a dog is far more worse than swatting its butt. Most dogs can’t stand being yelled at.
All dog trainers use some sort of hands on training method. Some thing such as pushing a dog’s rump to the ground to get it to sit could be considered physical training. Everyone’s used some kind of hands on training in the past.
If physical punishment is used correctly, dogs won’t grow up to be fearful.
FutureVt123, don’t critisize my training methods because you dislike or disagree with them.
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06/11/08 01:51pm
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#1758411
FutureVet123
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Message To: Senshokukiba In reference to Message Id: 1757933
Victoria Stilwell
Senso, I’m sorry I insulted you, I really didn’t mean to. I want you to know that I really do respect your training methods, I now see how well they work, and I truly understand the bond you have with Jake! Once again, I apologize for insulting you and disrupting the post.
My opinion is just that Victoria is better, feel free to disagree.
-Peaches and Jeni
p.s. She doesn’t yell, she just is firm. And I have no problem with pushing the rump, turning the head with a finger, etc. I just don’t like the thought of a dog being forcefully slapped across the face, which I understand you don’t do.
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06/11/08 10:42pm
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#1758448
Dragongirl6
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Message To: FutureVet123 In reference to Message Id: 1758411
Victoria Stilwell
I LOVE Victoria! Cesar kind of annoys me, but I think it’s more of a personality clash : )
In my opinion, it is ok to occasionally (not hurtfully) swat a dog if he is doing something he knows is inappropriate, but I have found that a consistent, loud, low throated NO is usually more effective. It gets the dog’s attention quickly and gives you the opportunity to give a command.
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06/11/08 11:03pm
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#1758472
No_glory
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Message To: Dragongirl6 In reference to Message Id: 1758448
Victoria Stilwell
my dogs get a swat on the butt when they r not minding well....but other wise it’s a firm no that gets their attention..swatting how ever dose not work for our dobie as thanks to the stupid shock collar my parents r using to stop barking..when ever u swat him or even touch him to quickly he yipes...i hat the stupid thing..but oh well...i think some dogs work well with a gentle apporch (sp) and other better with a more hands on..like our pointer mix..her attention span is about that of a 2 yr old so using a leash on her and moving her in to sit and lay works better then telling her things..then harley our dobie works better with hand signals and words..it’s all on a dog personality if you ask me.
i like victora more because you can use her methods at home...i mean what kinda of dog training show is it when a huge message flashes that says DO NOT TRY AT HOME?
and to who ever said she has not written a book she has two books out in the U.K which makes since because that is where she lives...her books are called " it’s me or the dog and Fat dog Slim Dog i bought the diet book when my dog callie ended up getting highly over weight...it’s great if your a frist timer trying to learn about doggie nutrition...the other book i don’t think is out in the us and i don’t plan on going back to the u.k again any time soon..so i can’t get it
but as i said every trainer is differnt as is any dog
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06/11/08 11:31pm
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#1763100
Breeder
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Message To: No_glory In reference to Message Id: 1758472
Victoria Stilwell
I personally have used some of her methods with friends dogs. Like I am considered a threat to one of my friends because the dog was abused by a male roughly my height. So I used Victorias methods and now the dog is unafraid and even comes to me!
I love VS
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06/16/08 07:29pm
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#1766499
Flamingflower
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Message To: Breeder In reference to Message Id: 1763100
Victoria Stilwell
Victoria Stilwell, hands down. Her methods are simple to enforce, and are great for those who keep their dogs as pets, as there is no screaming or threat involved. So long as the method works, there is no ’too gentle’ in my opinion, and many, including myself, would rather have their dogs trained gently and effectively than roughly (or even with consequence) and without guarantee. The dogs learn using a language they understand and pick up on easily, which is also practical and does not call for harming or frightening the animal. She shows that she is dominant without the use of force or abuse, and it is for this principal reason I choose and like her.
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06/19/08 04:48pm
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#1766528
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Message To: Flamingflower In reference to Message Id: 1766499
Victoria Stilwell
I think I like Victoria better than Cesar. Cesar is okay, but as someone said before feral dogs are still dogs, and any dog (Canis Domesticus) is not a pack animal like a wolf. I dislike Cesar’s idea that dogs are pack animals They are not. Dogs being social animals have social units where there is a ranking system, but it is not a true pack. Packs are well organized and are used by wolves mainly to hunt. It is learned by young wolves and is not passed through genetics. That is why Fido and Rover will not be killing caribou in the wild. Instead dogs are scavengers who rely on us for food. So although dogs need to understand we are their leaders and not beneath them, Cesar should use another word for pack so people do not be confused by the whole wolf idea. Victoria understands the ranking system and she uses positive reinforcement along with obedience to help the dog behave. Like Cesar she believes in not having a dog be a "baby" but instead a dog, and emphasizes on nutrition and exercise.
They are both good rehabilitators of dogs but I like Victoria better than Mr. Milan.
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06/19/08 05:15pm
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#1766556
FutureVet123
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Message To: Imageckosmiley20 In reference to Message Id: 1766528
Victoria Stilwell
The thing about Cesar is that he’s like "Oh, okay, I can train any dog. Just give me 3 hours to ask questions, 2 days to observe, 2 weeks in my "boot camp," 1 week on training and socialization, and after another couple of days, BAM!" It reminds me of that rebate commercial that asks why we put up with more expensive electronic stores when walmart is really cheap. Victoria just walks in, takes about 20 minutes to ask questions, anywhere from 1 hour to 1 day to observe, and then by the next day the dog’s all good to go. She doesn’t take all the "extra" steps. She’s like the 5 minute trainer who cuts to the chase where Cesar’s like the 5 WEEK trainer who rolls over every unnecessary detail. It bugs me SO much to the point I can’t even watch his show anymore that he has to take so long and observe and take breaks and expose the dog to a million different places he’ll never need to experience, and the problem isn’t really fixed, it’s just curbed. It’s like he doesn’t have a backbone to "boss" the dog around in a decent way.
-Jeni
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06/19/08 05:30pm
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#1766565
1baikim
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Message To: FutureVet123 In reference to Message Id: 1766556
Victoria Stilwell
Does anyone know if Cesar keeps tabs on the dogs that he’s worked with to make sure all is still going well?
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06/19/08 05:38pm
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#1766603
Imageckosmiley20
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Message To: 1baikim In reference to Message Id: 1766565
Victoria Stilwell
I think at the end of his show he finds out how the dog is doing, but as far as seeing how the dog is doing long after his sessions with the dog and the owners, I’m not sure. I would like to hope so, so if the problem happens again he can help the dog.
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06/19/08 06:08pm
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#1768080
A.P.B.T_4_Ever
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Message To: Imageckosmiley20 In reference to Message Id: 1766603
Victoria Stilwell
Victoria also is great because she makes the owners do the work and she will not just use her methods the owners learn as well
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06/20/08 10:18pm
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