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ToxicxxxKitty View Profile |
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| 05/02/08 10:03pm |
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Sw1c View Profile |
Message To: ToxicxxxKitty In reference to Message Id: 1723659 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
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| 05/03/08 02:18am |
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KrazyKelli View Profile |
Message To: ToxicxxxKitty In reference to Message Id: 1723659 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
How do we know that the dog didn’t see the running children as prey? Dogs have a predatory instinct to chase running things. Most dogs will also mouth things (usually in the form of toys). Now I’m not saying the dog escaped to eat the children, but all is possible that it could have bitten one as the children showed fear or were fleeing. Even then, if I were mother to these children and saw some large dog chasing them off leash towards the house, I would not hesitate to call police or animal control. If one of the children was bitten, or even nipped, there’s even more reason to state that the dog is out of control. We don’t know that the cop instantly shot the dog without warning. That’s here say. We don’t know what the dog did to get shot, we don’t know the circumstances of the moment. The owner of the dog obviously wasn’t around to see every detail as she didn’t know her dog escaped in that time. The dog, in the moment, could have gone after the cop when confronted. The cop could have used mace first. As said, the details are way too leaned in the favor of the woman that owned the dog to know everything that occurred. All we do know is that the cop felt that he had no other choice but to shoot the dog. Now I’m not saying this didn’t happen, but cops (and the aspca) don’t normally go on runs to pick up loose dogs with the intent to shoot at something from a distance to put it out of its misery - which kind of appears to be the picture painted in the first post. The woman would not have been sued for having a bad fence, but would have been fined heavily for the dog escaping and any incident that followed. She could be sued if one of the children, some bystander, or the police officer was bitten. Even then, if she was going to keep a large dog breed with an already bad reputation, she should have gone through measures to prevent this escape. That must have been some big hole or one very flimsy fence. Lastly, we - on the internet - do not know the disposition of that particular dog. You may say it’s nice and friendly, the owner’s friend (ie, your mother) may have said something similar. But we aren’t there, on that scene, in the past, seeing that dog. Even then some dogs when loose or in a frenzy of excitement can act completely opposite to their disposition at home. We, none of us, don’t know this. I’m obviously not there to see what would happen if a pitbull, rottie, or other large dog broke free from a yard and ran about the neighborhood. So, yeah; I think giving us an incomplete, heavily one-sided pitbull story on a dog forum known for heavily protecting pitbulls on an issue we shouldn’t honestly nose our business into is a bit on the lame side. And I want anyone that posts to think over all the details that may have happened - in and out of the first post. Not all dice have one face, and not all stories are cut and paste clear-cut. |
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| 05/03/08 12:10pm |
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Animal lover! View Profile |
Message To: KrazyKelli In reference to Message Id: 1724026 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
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| 05/03/08 07:52pm |
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Senshokukiba View Profile |
Message To: KrazyKelli In reference to Message Id: 1724026
I’m sick and tired of people saying that people who dislike pit bulls and not other dogs is racist. It’s like saying that people who don’t like chocolate milk, but like plain milk are descriminating. It’s also like people saying that people who prefer non- venemous reptiles to veneomous reptiles are racist. It’s also the same thing as saying you dislike a certain dog breed because of its coat type or eye color. It’s not racist! Do some actual research! Just because someone dislikes a certain dog breed, it doesn’t mean he or she is racist. Pit bulls are naturally more likely to attack humans and other animals. All dogs bred to fight and gaurd are more likely to attack. The same thing goes for dogs bred to be dominant, tenacious, protective, etc. Deal with it. |
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| 05/04/08 02:13pm |
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SusanC View Profile |
Message To: Senshokukiba In reference to Message Id: 1724886
BTW..where in SC was this? I’ll check it out. I am from Georgetown... just outside Myrtle Beach |
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| 05/04/08 04:17pm |
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Animal lover! View Profile |
Message To: SusanC In reference to Message Id: 1724999 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
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| 05/04/08 07:13pm |
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ToxicxxxKitty View Profile |
Message To: SusanC In reference to Message Id: 1724999 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
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| 05/04/08 09:37pm |
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Senshokukiba View Profile |
Message To: SusanC In reference to Message Id: 1724999
Quote: I have pure bred pit bulls that wouldn’t bite a freaking flea if it were biting them.
That’s nice. I didn’t state that every single existing pit bull attacks. Plus, you need to remember that not all pit bulls are alike. Not all pit bulls are gentle like the one’s you’ve described. If your dog did have fleas, I gaurentee you he’d bite them. Quote: Don’t stereo type a dog just b/c it has pit bull in it’s bloodline. I’m not exactly stereotyping. It’s a fact that pit bulls and other similar dogs bred to fight or gaurd are more likely to attack. Don’t tell me I’m stereotyping just because you dislike what I’m saying. I don’t agree with you, but I’m not going to tell you you’re being mean or that you’re incorrect.
As I’ve explained, pit bulls are more likely to attack. Some pit bulls will be more aggressive than others, some less. It all depends on genetics. Quote: I have been bitten by freaking labs... and poodles... and have NEVER been bitten by a pit bull. This seems like a great supportive sentence. When you look closely at it though, you should notice a few things. First, we have no idea what kind of history these dogs had. We don’t now if they were sick or not. We don’t know whether they were fixed or what their personalities were like.
I can see you’re trying to support the old "any dog can bite" statement. Well, that is true. You need to remember that some dogs are more likely to attack though. Who cares if you were bitten by a lab or a poodles? I’ve been bitten by German Shorthaired Pointers, Akitas, labs, setters, retreivers, Border Collies, and a variety of other dogs. No one can take your information into consideration though because we don’t know a lot of information about the dogs you’re talking about. Perhaps you played roughly with the lab. Perhaps you startled him. Perhaps he was untrained. You don’t give enough detail. Quote: People raise their animals to be what they are. This is true to some degree. Pit bull enthusiasts seem to forget that raising a pit bull in a loving and caring environment doesn’t alter its genetics or background. Even if a pit bull is given a great deal of attention, it still holds onto its genetics.
I’d like to add this. Pit bull enthusiasts accept posotive information about pit bulls without any trouble. When negative information regarding pit bulls in produced though, they need supportive details, statistics, sources, and similar things. Pit bull enthusiasts look for everything they can in order to prove that pit bulls are harmless. This is why they’ve accepted that old "pit bulls are only dog aggressive" bull. To me, this is a very funny statement. It makes me laugh. I actually used to believe that. After thinking a bite though, I noticed there was something wrong with it. I noticed that only fighting dogs such as pit bulls are supposedly dog aggressive. I realized that no one claimed that Scottish Deer simply wanted to hunt deer. I noticed that no one claimed that bear dogs only wanted to hunt bears. We don’t even know who developed that statement. We have no proof that varrifies it. We have no evidence that really supports it. Everyone accepts this information without thinking. We don’t even take a minute to look between the lines. Dogs bred to hunt deer won’t just try to hunt deer. Dogs bred to gaurd chickens won’t just try to gaurd chickens. And dogs bred to herd sheep won’t just try to herd sheep. So... why do we think that pit bulls only want to fight or be aggressive towards other dogs? Dogs bred for certain purposes don’t just focus on one particular species. A dog bred to run down game will run after an moving object, whether it’s living or not. A dog bred to herd sheep will herd anything, including humans, cats, and chickens. Pit bull enthusiasts claim that pit bulls are like other dogs, while supporting the fact that they’re only dog aggressive. They’re contradicting themselves. If you think about it, pit bulls are one of the only breeds that people claim focusses on a certain animal. This dog aggressive thing was obviouslly created in an attempt to save or redeam the pit bull. Pit bull enthusiasts say that I’m stereotyping. Well, if I am, so are they! If they go about claiming that pit bulls are just dog aggressive, they’re being stereotypical to some degree. They’re judging the breed. |
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| 05/05/08 05:56pm |
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Senshokukiba View Profile |
Message To: Senshokukiba In reference to Message Id: 1726141 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
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| 05/05/08 05:58pm |
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No_glory View Profile |
Message To: Senshokukiba In reference to Message Id: 1726142 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
There are few breeds that have been long documented with the attributes of the American pit bull terrier. This breed has been document all the way back to the middle ages. during those times the pit bull or bandog was used as a hunting or gripping dog. they where not fought yet but they had originated as boar hunters as well as herding dogs..the pit bull was used more commonly during this time as a bulldog..hence where the bull came from in Pit bull...they would heard cattle for butchers gripping the bull by the nose until the butcher could get there to take over. During these times the pit bull was required to be human friendly as they needed to be in order to be controlled as working bull dogs. it was then that the sport of bull bating originated this is where many dogs are let loose on to a bull to kill it. The sport was soon outlawed.(thank god). As that was outlawed the idiots who still needed their fill of killing starting facing off their dogs(dog fighting). At the beginning these dog where still used for there original purpose of hunting and as cattle tamers( as i call them). About 90 years later the u.k.c was created..this is still the only reputable(sp) registry that a person can register their APBT with. The pit bull or bulldog was them renamed the American Pit Bull Terrier. The pit bull terrier was still being bred to be human friendly as even in the fighting ring this breed needed to be handled back then real dog fighting gentleman would cur or kill off any dog that could be a treat to humans as they did not want to run the chance of being bitten by their own dog during a fight. It was when the pit bull migrated to America that is was bred down from the large bull dog..while some strains are kept large (thus creating the American Bulldog) most bulls where sized down as it was becoming more popular as a show dog. Also as well as a few breeder as this time where breeding fighting lines (though still not as popular) these dogs traveled with the pioneers in the early 1900’s. eventually around 1886 dog fighting was starting to be looked down on more as more as this happed dog fighting was outlawed causing it to go under ground. From 1890-1948 the pit bull became a very popular breed and was only used by a small portion of the population as a fighting dog. the dog started to be valued more as a good natured family pet. There are many novels written during this time such as bulldog by max brad written in 1925 and the gas-house pup by R.g Kirk. The pit bull became popular as pets and a mascot. many people who wanted to represent their business or their team as strong would use the pit bull as a mascot. in the early part of the 20th century the pit bull was the perfect family dog as it was hardy and would easily accompany men on their daily walks. as the times changed and the world became more sophisticated (sp) man no longer wanted a dog that was a good natured side kick..they wanted a strong dog that was pure bred thus causing the pit bull to fade out of popularity and the dogs such as Doberman and setters to fade in. thus causing a new era of dog fighting as the pit bull was forgotten about dog fighting was once popular again. many stupid men where breeding to get a game bull dog not a house pet. Thus creating the few lines of pit bull that still exists today..these lines are registered to places that cater to dog fighters. These lines can be recognized as dogs who are nervous, small and hardly recognized as a pure breed at all. The pit bull was then still thankfully bred by a few u.k.c lines that wanted the perfect non-fighting bull dog. in 1980 the pit bull once again gained popularity only this time as a "fad" breed such as the Doberman once was and the American bull dog. During this time a rise was seen on pit bull attacks due to poor bred animals and poorly educated owners. The pit bull will most likely always be associated with the sport of dog fighting but as well as said thousands of times by well educated historians on the pit bull this dog has never been bred to be human aggressive...considering human aggression and animal aggression are two completely different things. The pit bull is still a working dog at heart but in the hands of the wrong people they are forced to participate in dog fights..thankfully a few people are still trying to save the breed and they are doing it well. While this bad rep can never be wiped clean it will hopefully someday be made a little better. This is all I’m gonna say on the matter as that’s a heck of alot of stuff to type as well it’s my 2 cents. end of my reply |
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| 05/05/08 07:47pm |
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Turtlemom View Profile |
Message To: No_glory In reference to Message Id: 1726280 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
When I was a kid, German Shepards (then known as "police dogs") and Dobermans were the feared, "vicious" breeds. Later, the Rottweilers took over that status. All were originally bred for their protective, aggressive personalities. Fortunately, those breeds now are known by most as great, loyal family pets. Though Pits have a tougher reputation to recover from as a breed IMO, I’m sure in years to come they will prevail and lose that moniker. I grew up with a Daschund, the only dog to ever bite me until very recently when a friend’s Chihaua nipped me. Daschunds were bred to hunt badgers. Any dog expected to run into a hole and fight a vicious animal like a badger had to be agressive! But no one fears that breed. I think because of the size difference. Who can hate a "hot dog"?! ;) And smaller dogs tend to do less damage if they do bite than big dogs. So that’s my 2 cents. Give the pit breeds some time and another breed will come along to take over their rep. and the cycle will continue. |
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| 05/06/08 12:33am |
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Senshokukiba View Profile |
Message To: No_glory In reference to Message Id: 1726280
Quote: this dog has never been bred to be human aggressive Where’s your proof? Yes, and a Border Collies never been bred to be herd people, and a Black Mouth Cur’s never been bred to hunt elephants. This doesn’t mean anything though! Dogs were never bred not to be aggressive towards one specific creature. It’s difficult to make a creature go after one specific animal. I understand the whole "dog fighter enthusiasts ehtuanized all dogs that showed human aggression" thing.
Quote: considering human aggression and animal aggression are two completely different things. This is an interesting statement because humans are animals. I believe I understand what you mean though.
Pit bull enthusiasts argue that pit bulls are like any other dog, yet they agree with you. By doing this, they’re supporting the idea that pit bulls aren’t like other dogs. Pit bulls are what I call a "special dog". People make "acceptions" specifically for them. Pit bull enthusiasts will tell you that pit bulls are only dog aggressive. If you ask them if an Irish Wolfhound just wants to hunt, deer, etc. though, they’ll tell you no. By doing this, they’re supporting the belief that pit bulls are differant, that they’re unlike other dogs, and that they can be stereotyped. Dogs don’t have specific target species. A pit bull that’s been bred specifically to be aggressive, tenacious, etc. will be more likely to attack a human. This is the truth. If someone produced pit bulls that were submissive, reserved, willing, etc., I doubt that the pit bulls would be likely to attack. The fact is that dogs with certain personalities, genetics, and temperaments are more likely to attack. |
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| 05/08/08 04:29pm |
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Hhllpp View Profile |
Message To: ToxicxxxKitty In reference to Message Id: 1723659
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| 06/08/08 10:37pm |
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Rae rae View Profile |
Message To: Hhllpp In reference to Message Id: 1755580 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
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| 06/10/08 10:14pm |
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Animal_lover06 View Profile |
Message To: Rae rae In reference to Message Id: 1757444 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
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| 06/12/08 04:10am |
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XxxShoc+Collarxxx View Profile |
Message To: Animal_lover06 In reference to Message Id: 1758593 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
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| 06/12/08 12:30pm |
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Senshokukiba View Profile |
Message To: Rae rae In reference to Message Id: 1757444 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
Quote: they were bred for their aggression toward other dogs but their AFFECTION towards people
I don’t really believe you can breed a dog to be affectionate. I think it’s more of a learned or trained characteristic. Dogs with good qualities are bred together, but don’t always produce puppies with those qualities. No one can truly breed a dog to be affectionate. You’re making acceptions for pit bulls. An Irish Wolfhound was bred to hunt wolves, but doesn’t just go after wolves. They’ll chase any thing. Why are pit bulls differant? Pit bulls have been bred specifically to be aggressive. Pit bulls are dogs. Therefore, they’re going to act like dogs. This means they’ll direct their inherent behaviors, personality, etc. at any thing and any one. |
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| 06/12/08 09:10pm |
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No_glory View Profile |
Message To: Senshokukiba In reference to Message Id: 1759241 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
Quote: Pit bulls have been bred specifically to be aggressive.
seno..do u not remember a post u your self posted..that said the exact opposite of what u just said? Quote: I found this information a while ago. I wanted to share it with everyone because everyone seems to think pit bulls are born dog aggressive.
Contrary to popular belief, pit bulls are not born with a disposition to behave aggressively. Through a series of studies, researchers have discovered that there’s no gene in pit bulls that causes aggression. In fact, there are no existing genes that are responsible for causing aggression in any animal. Thus, pit bulls aren’t inherently aggressive towards dogs, humans, or any other animal. |
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| 06/13/08 01:06am |
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XxxShoc+Collarxxx View Profile |
Message To: No_glory In reference to Message Id: 1759461 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
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| 06/13/08 09:57am |
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Senshokukiba View Profile |
Message To: No_glory In reference to Message Id: 1759461 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
Quote: seno..do u not remember a post u your self posted..that said the exact opposite of what u just said?
Of course I do. I did some more research on the subject though, and I’ve taken a differant stance. My opinions and such change a lot. When I first found out about pit bulls, I truly believed they were simply mistreated animals. After doing a lot of research and noticing so many pit bull attacks, I changed my views. |
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| 06/13/08 11:12am |
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Senshokukiba View Profile |
Message To: XxxShoc+Collarxxx In reference to Message Id: 1759633 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
It seems like you’re misunderstanding some thing as well. By stating that pit bulls aren’t bred aggressive, you’re aggreeing that they don’t have inherent tendancies. You can’t say that pit bulls aren’t bred aggressive and then turn around and say that they’re naturally stubborn. It wouldn’t make since. It’d be a contradiction. If aggression is a learned behavior, then so is being stubborn and tenacious. I won’t continue to argue. You may believe what you like. Quote: Dog is man’s best friend. But even friends can turn on you. |
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| 06/13/08 11:27am |
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XxxShoc+Collarxxx View Profile |
Message To: Senshokukiba In reference to Message Id: 1759694 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
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| 06/16/08 10:07pm |
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Senshokukiba View Profile |
Message To: XxxShoc+Collarxxx In reference to Message Id: 1763355 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
You really need to do some research before you begin stating that pit bulls don’t have specific genetic tendencies and characteristics though. It makes you look stupid. ;D Also, why are you thanking me? Have a nice day! |
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| 06/17/08 03:01am |
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XxxShoc+Collarxxx View Profile |
Message To: Senshokukiba In reference to Message Id: 1763599 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
I’m not thanking you, who would after what you’ve created?!?!? I’ve been around pit bulls all my life, so don’t come in here and tell me I don’t know crap. I need to brush up on my research?!?!? Whatever. I own the pit bulls, not you. So shut up, you want stupid, look in the mirror.  |
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| 06/17/08 10:36am |
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No_glory View Profile |
Message To: XxxShoc+Collarxxx In reference to Message Id: 1763750 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
Quote: Ya know what, why do you come on here and create stupid problems like these.
I’m not thanking you, who would after what you’ve created?!?!? I’ve been around pit bulls all my life, so don’t come in here and tell me I don’t know crap. I need to brush up on my research?!?!? Whatever. I own the pit bulls, not you. So shut up, you want stupid, look in the mirror. hahaha you don’t know how funny i find this. |
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| 06/17/08 11:07am |
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Senshokukiba View Profile |
Message To: XxxShoc+Collarxxx In reference to Message Id: 1763750
You become enraged too easily. My comments shouldn’t offend you or any thing. After all, you have no idea who I am. You shouldn’t let my comments get to you. I’m not some major critic or any thing. Actually, you did thank me. If you read your previous post, you’ll see that you thanked me. ;) Also, how do you know I don’t own any pit bulls? For all you know, I could be hoarding them. If you don’t want me to tell you that you should do more research, then act intelligent. Don’t act like you’ve got a sack of dirt for a brain. ;D Your last comment made me laugh. I haven’t been told to look in the mirror since I was about seven. How old are you? Ten? Twelve? If you’re older than that, I wish you the greatest luck because you won’t get any where in life by saying things like that. You should act your age, not your shoe size, sweety. |
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| 06/17/08 06:37pm |
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XxxShoc+Collarxxx View Profile |
Message To: Senshokukiba In reference to Message Id: 1764213 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
Have fun dealing with your P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C problems and with with me  |
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| 06/17/08 09:39pm |
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Senshokukiba View Profile |
Message To: XxxShoc+Collarxxx In reference to Message Id: 1764400 This is so WRONG!! Please read.
I never said I didn’t like you, xxxShoc+Collarxxx. No one did. I don’t really have a problem with you either. I’m actually enjoying our conversation. Your posts have given me some thing to laugh at. They brighten up my day. There you go again, calling people names because you dislike what they say. If we’re low lives, than so are you for replying and complaining. If we’re as bad as you claim, just leave the damn site. Even you could probably manage that. As a final note, pull your head out and do some actual research. ;) Have a good day. |
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| 06/18/08 01:12am |
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Senshokukiba View Profile |
Message To: Senshokukiba In reference to Message Id: 1764556
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| 06/18/08 01:14am |
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