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Senshokukiba View Profile |
Police say a Boise man shot a pit bull with a shotgun after the man says the animal was being threatening towards him. It happened on the 2700 block of Westland Place in Boise near Ustick and Cole roads. Officers say Dave Davies called police just before 8 p.m., saying his neighbor’s pit bull was being aggressive toward him. Two minutes later Davies called back and said he shot the dog. Davies said he was outside working on his motorcycle when the dog jumped a fence and came toward him in an “aggressive” manner. When Davies was inside calling police, he grabbed his shotgun. Police say he went back outside and shot the animal. Boise Police Lt. Ron Winegar said the man may have a warranted defense. Dave Davies explains what happened to police Thursday night. "We would never advocate it happening within the city limits in this kind of a neighborhood can be very dangerous,” Winegar said. “At the same time, depending on the circumstances, we always have the right to defend ourselves." Davies says he has reported the pit bull in the past and said he was told he has the right to defend himself on his property if an animal is being aggressive. Other neighbors said they have not had problems with the animal. The dog’s owner was not at home at the time of the incident. This story really pissed me off. I didn’t think it was legal to shoot an animal that didn’t attack you. I don’t get why the guy who shot the pit bull couldn’t have just went inside his house, leaving the pit bull alone. If it was truly aggressive, why did he go back outside to shoot it? |
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| 05/31/08 11:02am |
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No_glory View Profile |
Message To: Senshokukiba In reference to Message Id: 1751945 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
same thing here there is a guy who lives ooo like i think 4 houses up from my boyfriend, his kids rip and tear all day on thier 4 wheelers well the other day he said chaos has been agessively jumping at the fence when the kids where near the yard on the 4 wheelers and that if she dose it again he will make sure chaos is dead..we live in a little hick town so treats like that are common, but like that dog no one else but him has a problem with her, hellk the kids next door walk her everything. alot of the time when a pit gets shot because it was coming at someone "aggressively" it’s because these people have it set in their mind oh thats a pit bull it’s mean so they think it walking toward me it’s aggressive im shooting it. if the guy did live with in city limits i don’t care what he thinks it is illegal to shoot a fire arm in town, one kid here was shooting holes in his roof with a 22. he goes to jail for using his gun in town. as for shooting an animal. that should be considered animal abuse see’s how he has no proof for all the owners know the dog could have just gotten out and was coming over to see what the guy was doing,dogs are curious over people it’s a fact of life. |
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| 05/31/08 11:14am |
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Marissa4 View Profile |
Message To: No_glory In reference to Message Id: 1751953 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
..i’m sorry if you totally dissagree with me now, or hate me. but i had an opinion that i wanted to share. like you had your’s |
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| 07/19/08 01:15am |
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Skullkeeper View Profile |
Message To: Senshokukiba In reference to Message Id: 1751945 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
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| 07/19/08 08:00am |
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DaneEliza View Profile |
Message To: Skullkeeper In reference to Message Id: 1801693 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
How could you even say that it is alright for him to shoot someones family pet, no matter what breed. That is horrible. He could have tazed the dog, pepper sprayed it, there was no physical proof this dog tried to attack him. For all you know, he was a trigger happy cop that had a problem with pit bulls. I can tell you this, it is illegal here for anyone to shoot a dog that remains on it’s property, even if the dog seems to be acting agressive, you are not to shoot that dog, that goes for cops as well. What if the dog wasn’t agressive, what if it was protecting someone or something? What if they were lying, what if they just shot it because it was a pit bull? These are unfair circumstances and ignorant behavior. Instead of the police being called, it should have been animal control. All cops every want to do with pit bulls is shoot them, sooooo......and even if the cop did feel a threat, shouldn’t he have had the animal control come and retrieve the dog and have it humanely euthenized instead of popping a bullet in it??  |
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| 07/19/08 08:58am |
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Skullkeeper View Profile |
Message To: No_glory In reference to Message Id: 1751953 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
The owners of the dog should be jailed, fined and never allowed to own another dog since they did not control their dog. |
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| 07/19/08 09:05am |
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Barker View Profile |
Message To: Senshokukiba In reference to Message Id: 1751945 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
Quote: When Davies was inside calling police, he grabbed his shotgun.
He was already inside. If he was that threatened he should have kept his happy ... inside and waited until animal control got there. Or was he afraid the dog was going to bite his motorcycle? Randi |
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| 07/19/08 11:47am |
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CelticTigeress View Profile |
Message To: Barker In reference to Message Id: 1801805 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
a burglar breaks into your house unarmed steals your things and leaves and you shoot him in the back, your going to trial...it wasnt self defense your life wasnt endangered...you killed a man .. if burglar breaks into your house unaware your there and you shoot him as he leaves he is technically in police standards ’out of your home’ therefore ’not a threat’ and your going to jail... once a burglar exits a premisis they are deemed not a threat and the one who decides to be a hero grabs a gun chases afte the guy and shoots him is in deep chit.... the man went into his house, he called the police he was not endangered he was not threatened this borders on the line of animal cruelty and he will likely recieve more then just a 50 dollar fine but jail time depending if court rules in his favor...doubtful.....It isnt right to go out after grabbing your gun and shoot an animal no longer threatening you and how does he know the dog was being aggressive...oh wait given the closed mindedness of a lot of people let me guess "because he was a pit bull" sums it up I am sure. this being said the guy had no more right to shoot the dog after he was inside then I would to shoot my next door neighbors pit just because jelly barks (which jelly is a good dog she barks at me to say hi and for her petting) but still ’maybe im threatened’ shoot jelly comes into my yard all the time to play with my dogs and say hi...oh no she may try and hurt me and my horses..doesnt mean that her owner has a lack of control on her... |
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| 07/19/08 12:30pm |
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Barker View Profile |
Message To: CelticTigeress In reference to Message Id: 1801840 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
It would be like you watching a busy highway and then walking out into it. You know it is dangerous when you did it but you did it anyway. I have to wonder, the report said no other neighbors had any problems with this dog, whould he have killed it if it were, say, a lab? They are large dogs too. Randi |
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| 07/19/08 02:26pm |
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Barker View Profile |
Message To: CelticTigeress In reference to Message Id: 1801840 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
Quote: Davies said he was outside working on his motorcycle when the dog jumped a fence and came toward him in an “aggressive” manner
He could have mistaken a simple jog for an aggressive approach. To me if a dog is coming at me in "an aggressive manner" it’s got it’s teeth bared/growling and running at me. Coming my direction or to me in any other fashion to me is not "an aggressive manner". |
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| 07/19/08 02:31pm |
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No_glory View Profile |
Message To: Barker In reference to Message Id: 1801943 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
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| 07/19/08 02:34pm |
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Skullkeeper View Profile |
Message To: Barker In reference to Message Id: 1801937 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
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| 07/19/08 07:00pm |
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Skullkeeper View Profile |
Message To: Barker In reference to Message Id: 1801943 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
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| 07/19/08 07:05pm |
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CelticTigeress View Profile |
Message To: Skullkeeper In reference to Message Id: 1802261 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
Quote: In my post I stated that If they gave you cause to believe that they were going to cause you physical injure you could shot them . I said nothing about shooting them in the back .If a dog jumped my fence , any dog not just a Pit Bull dog and came towards me growling or barking then I should have the right to defend myself . If the owners had their dog on a chain or in a caged area this would not have happened in the first place . I do not think that any animal should have more rights than a person .
fine whatever...but in the report it states the man went into HIS HOUSE at that point he left the point of danger and entered a safe haven...the dog couldnt get in, the man called someone, he isnt a vigilante doing justice he should have let the professionals handle it not take matters in his own hand ie...going into the house shutting the door grabbing a gun and returning to shoot the dog..THAT is where the action became ’criminal’ and yes animal cruelty and wrongful death of an animal or damage/death to another persons animal without just cause IS a criminal act... its right up there with criminal mischief.. it became such when he entered a safe point then took matters into his hands becoming an animal vigilante and shooting the dog he had no reason to go out into his yard..... |
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| 07/19/08 08:48pm |
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Senshokukiba View Profile |
Message To: CelticTigeress In reference to Message Id: 1802391
I agree with you, CelticTigeress! :D |
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| 07/19/08 08:56pm |
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Barker View Profile |
Message To: Senshokukiba In reference to Message Id: 1802405 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
Randi |
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| 07/19/08 09:05pm |
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CelticTigeress View Profile |
Message To: Barker In reference to Message Id: 1802417 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
Quote: If the owners had their dog on a chain or in a caged area this would not have happened in the first place
I do not chain my dogs, their ’caged area’ is my yard and pasture.... they are inside a fence with the horses and livestock, they guard my house they guard my animals but they are dicplined and know their place...does that make me a bad owner that I dont chain my dogs or cage them in a crate or small kennel???i promise you if someone shot any of my dogs they are in sight and range to be shot themselves....and yes my dogs will run up to a fence bark and growl in warning and if you keep walking they go back to the other animals...but they defend me my home my husband my animals and my property |
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| 07/19/08 10:11pm |
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DaneEliza View Profile |
Message To: CelticTigeress In reference to Message Id: 1802504 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
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| 07/19/08 10:28pm |
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Barker View Profile |
Message To: DaneEliza In reference to Message Id: 1802522 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
Randi |
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| 07/19/08 11:30pm |
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Crochunter44 View Profile |
Message To: Barker In reference to Message Id: 1802596 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
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| 07/20/08 12:26am |
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Skullkeeper View Profile |
Message To: CelticTigeress In reference to Message Id: 1802504 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
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| 07/20/08 06:35am |
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Skullkeeper View Profile |
Message To: DaneEliza In reference to Message Id: 1802522 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
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| 07/20/08 06:39am |
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CelticTigeress View Profile |
Message To: Skullkeeper In reference to Message Id: 1802808 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
Quote: In my post I stated that If they gave you cause to believe that they were going to cause you physical injure you could shot them . I said nothing about shooting them in the back .If a dog jumped my fence , any dog not just a Pit Bull dog and came towards me growling or barking then I should have the right to defend myself . If the owners had their dog on a chain or in a caged area this would not have happened in the first place . I do not think that any animal should have more rights than a person .
Common people ! Read what I said . I was referring to dogs that jump a fence and goes on others peoples property . Don’t take bits and pieces of my statements and take them out of context. Reading comprehensive classes are needed for some of you guys . GEE ZZZ! Quote: alright the ONLY statement i saw pertaining to chained and caged area goes as follows Quote: If the owners had their dog on a chain or in a caged area this would not have happened in the first place
you didnt state a dog that jumps a fence or clears it into another yard, you want people to grasp your points then clarify them dont make a one sided statement and expect others to be happy go lucky on it.. maybe the neighbor that owned the dog did not know the dog would clear the fence...maybe the dog never had a history of leaving the yard did you take that into account??I mean everyone wants to put the dog on trial without giving it a jurors decision weighing both pros and cons...My dogs (well one the boxer malichi) jumped a fence and went after a meter reader.... but come to find out that he figured since the fence we had was so damn high and concrete he could stand on his truck and torment and taunt my dogs, he wasnt betting that my boxer could clear 7foot fence..does that mean that my dog should be on a chain now or in a kennel/crate???technically we didnt take bits and peices we took an entire sentence... maybe you should take a writing course or the fundementals of english and sentence structure..... |
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| 07/20/08 12:58pm |
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Skullkeeper View Profile |
Message To: CelticTigeress In reference to Message Id: 1803002 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
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| 07/20/08 01:21pm |
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CelticTigeress View Profile |
Message To: Skullkeeper In reference to Message Id: 1803034 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
alright so the dog jumped the fence maybe chaining could have prevented it (as stated in YOUR POST "If the dog had been chained or caged this would not have happened") what reason would the owner have to chain or cage the animal is what I am asking... if the dog had NEVER cleared the fence in its life.. if the dog never showed any signs of leavin the yard then why should the owner chain/cagfe/kennel their dog?? again I dont cage kennel chain my dogs... if they leave the yard once (as stated about my boixer) does that mean I should leave him chained/caged??because once?? as far as the dog maybe the man provoked it, none of us were there so read my question carefully... I will repeat it for you what reason shouyld that dog have been caged/chained??? and im asking before it jumped the fence.. you seem bent saying it would have solved it what is your outlook on why that dog should have been hained/caged in the first place what is your justification to your answer in how it would solve the problem?? again yes I know the dog jumped the fence... im responding to YOUR COMMENT on caging and chaining a dog.. when is it considered a right thing to do and when is it considered wrong.... |
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| 07/20/08 01:44pm |
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Skullkeeper View Profile |
Message To: CelticTigeress In reference to Message Id: 1803059 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
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| 07/20/08 02:18pm |
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CelticTigeress View Profile |
Message To: Skullkeeper In reference to Message Id: 1803090 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
sure the dog came over the fence..but the man had gone in his house where safe even called someone... and placed hisself in danger AGAIN to shoot an animal.. this will be wieghed with has the dog ever done similar before has he ever poseda threat to the neighbors.. has he been called before they will take into consideration what if the man remained in the house..wouyld the dog still try to come for him... then the fact he willinglyt shot an animal... a family pet... for shooting the dog hes likely going to get fined...hes still guilty of that aspect the determininbg factor of jail time will be whether or not the dog had ever poised a threat to any other if his records were up to date and what provoked him to jump ie did the neighbor ever taunt the dog, was he taunting him when it happened...and finally.. "If the dog has no history of going after a neighbor or leaving his yard... why now" |
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| 07/20/08 02:28pm |
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Skullkeeper View Profile |
Message To: CelticTigeress In reference to Message Id: 1803105 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
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| 07/20/08 05:04pm |
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DaneEliza View Profile |
Message To: Skullkeeper In reference to Message Id: 1803242 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
Quote: If your dogs stay on your property then there is no need to put them on a chain. I was referring to when a dog jumps over the fence and goes on someone else’s property. Most states either have leash laws or states that a dog has to be under the owners control at all times .
But you say....... Quote: If the owners had their dog on a chain or in a caged area this would not have happened in the first place
So check this out, the dogs was in it’s yard first, it jumped a fence, oh whats that? A fence? Properly caged in?? I don’t care if my dog jumps a fence by accident or not, he’s not agressive, i know that for sure. If the person is safe from my baby in the house *giggles* safe, from a silly puppy, then there is no need to shoot him, find the owner, who 9 times out of ten was next door and tell them their dog is loose, it jumped the fence and they need to find a better wy to restrain their dog if it’s going to start running the block. Not act all scared, give off bad energy to a dog that could have very possibly been as life threatening as bambi and make it scared of you. That dog was once again someones family pets, how would you like for your dog accidently get out, happens all the time to anyone, even if it is "properly restrained", and for someone to just shoot your dog becuase they thought it was dangerous? When in your heart you know that dog wouldn’t hurt a fly!
I agree with celtic tigress on this, sorry skull keep but your point is all wrong. Quote: Every thing you just posted has been said many times
yeah, by her, your just not quite comprehending, so she has to repeat herself over and over |
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| 07/21/08 09:01am |
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Skullkeeper View Profile |
Message To: DaneEliza In reference to Message Id: 1803809 Man Shoots, Kills Aggressive Pit Bull
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| 07/21/08 02:04pm |
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